texanwellfan Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 21 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: I know it's all if's, but's, maybes, whatevers but was looking at league table and if we had done the following we could have been on 19pts and 3 behind hearts and 4pts clear of sellik 1) beat hearts 2) beat killie 3) even draw with sellik 4) beat Falkirk Of course all hypothetical but shows fine margins You’re right, all if’s and but’s, however it does show that every week is a winnable game. If we cut out drastic mistakes we can go on a good run. we talk about lack of scoring but only three teams have scored more, Hearts, Hibs and Dundee Utd but of course, scoring more goals will help. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago I think VAR has a place but apparently the clear and obvious criteria is being ignored. You should be able to instantly (few seconds) say ref was wrong, otherwise no intervention. None of this drawing lines or come have a look at this. there are occasions where officials do miss the obvious and it would be nice to eliminate those instances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 42 minutes ago, texanwellfan said: I think VAR has a place but apparently the clear and obvious criteria is being ignored. You should be able to instantly (few seconds) say ref was wrong, otherwise no intervention. None of this drawing lines or come have a look at this. there are occasions where officials do miss the obvious and it would be nice to eliminate those instances. Var has no place in the modern game, all this clear and obvious error pish they keep spouting is nonsense. The ref last Saturday saw nothing wrong in the lead up to Saids goal, he was a few yards away with a great view so no clear or obvious error so why were VAR even involved ffs. They are actively looking for reasons to disallow goals, how Far do you go back in a passage of play etc. As for the offside yesterday no lines shown due to the bargin basement system we have in Scotland, so they basically guessed it was offside, with no conclusive proof. The whole system needs binned ASAP, but if the clubs dont stand up and start complaining nothing will change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago Without VAR - we wouldn’t have got the penalty yesterday . it’s far from perfect and last week was poor with Said , yesterday as frustrated as I was I think got it right with both offsides . I’d rather we binned plastic pitches and improved how we use VAR . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: Var has no place in the modern game, all this clear and obvious error pish they keep spouting is nonsense. The ref last Saturday saw nothing wrong in the lead up to Saids goal, he was a few yards away with a great view so no clear or obvious error so why were VAR even involved ffs. They are actively looking for reasons to disallow goals, how Far do you go back in a passage of play etc. As for the offside yesterday no lines shown due to the bargin basement system we have in Scotland, so they basically guessed it was offside, with no conclusive proof. The whole system needs binned ASAP, but if the clubs dont stand up and start complaining nothing will change. I detest VAR as it is operated in Scotland. The delay it causes to the games is farcical and communication is a joke. The dilemma is that for every 'Said non goal' there is a 'Nick Walsh no handball'. So if we do away with VAR we have to accept the incompetence of our referees and accept whatever they throw at us. The wee baldy linesman that chalked off a perfectly good goal against Rangers at Fir Park all those years ago still haunts me. The biggest criticism I have this season is that errors appear to have increased in number, and not decreased as should be expected as systems bed in. Willie Collum will deny that is the case though. Would I detest VAR if it was operated properly, with competent officials and proper technology with cost not a factor? Probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago There’s more to the VAR problem than inconsistent interventions and questionable decisions. It disrupts the live match experience to the point where fans can’t even celebrate goals in the moment, because every goal now comes with a long pause while everyone waits to see if it actually counts. It’s sucking the joy out of the game and, at the end of the day, money talks. If this carries on, fans will talk with their feet, and once they start staying away, it will be very hard to get them back. Club chairmen need to act quickly and come together to get rid of this shite before the damage is permanent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 17 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: Var has no place in the modern game, all this clear and obvious error pish they keep spouting is nonsense. The ref last Saturday saw nothing wrong in the lead up to Saids goal, he was a few yards away with a great view so no clear or obvious error so why were VAR even involved ffs. They are actively looking for reasons to disallow goals, how Far do you go back in a passage of play etc. As for the offside yesterday no lines shown due to the bargin basement system we have in Scotland, so they basically guessed it was offside, with no conclusive proof. The whole system needs binned ASAP, but if the clubs dont stand up and start complaining nothing will change. Just’s header was offside which could be seen right away and the highlights showed the lines for the other occasion when Just broke thru and laid it up for AP. So to my points, header spotted easily, VAR used to give offside. Other occasion, very tight, even with lines, on field decision should stand (can’t recall if they awarded goal or flagged it) and no VAR intervention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, wellsince75 said: Without VAR - we wouldn’t have got the penalty yesterday . it’s far from perfect and last week was poor with Said , yesterday as frustrated as I was I think got it right with both offsides . I’d rather we binned plastic pitches and improved how we use VAR . Yup VAR does have good points if used correctly, perfect example last week at Dens, even to me looked like ball hit guy on arm and pen to sellik. Once reviewed clearly hit face. It's the farcical offside ones and the said foul that cause the problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, texanwellfan said: Just’s header was offside which could be seen right away and the highlights showed the lines for the other occasion when Just broke thru and laid it up for AP. So to my points, header spotted easily, VAR used to give offside. Other occasion, very tight, even with lines, on field decision should stand (can’t recall if they awarded goal or flagged it) and no VAR intervention. Fairly sure it was flagged for offside, one of these late flags after the move had completed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago I said before VAR was introduced, I thought it would be terrible. First, because of the interminable delays of the game, and second, because the same officials would still make poor, just different, decisions looking at video. It's actually been worse than I thought on both counts. There's no point saying it got one decision right and ignoring the 10 that it missed or got wrong. I'd like to see the stats, but my impression is that there has not been any reduction in the overall number of incorrect decisions since it arrived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago Forgot to mention how great how great it was to see the reaction from the bench when Just scored the Winner. Longello obviously took his flippers off after being sub’d. Best he moved all day. 😂 hopefully the big man is back to normal in the next game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted 56 minutes ago Report Share Posted 56 minutes ago Imagine Longelo with the freedom of Hampden 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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