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Matty for me, didn't really do anything wrong

There is just as much chance of us winning the ECL as there is the league cup 🤣 I appreciate the game is just finished but some of the overreaction here today is a bit mad given the last 12 months we have had!

Not normally one to go on a mad incoherent rant, but I'm ready for one right now. As other's have already said, a domestic cup is the best chance of silverware/finals for teams like us. To treat it like that is a terrible piece of management. We have a tie coming up in Europe, yes, but seriously, we're not going to beat Freiburg over two legs, no matter how rusty they are. Fuckin' raging right now !

Not an ideal result, but the harsh truth is we're playing games on a lot of fronts at the moment with a fairly small squad available to us. If the manager has to rank the League Cup, League, and European football in order of priority, I know which I would have at the bottom of the list. Europe and the league are more important at the moment. Just how it is.

We fluked a result there last season so I'm not hugely surprised. It's a bad pitch and not an inspiring place to play. Scape goating young players is totally out of order, we weren't good enough as a team and Stenhousemuir were just better than us. If we know anything about football coming off a European match is always dangerous and that's something you just have to deal with if we are in Europe. We were poor against Falkirk as well. You have to believe in the system and there is no point going ape shit at the first set back, that's the 'old' Motherwell coming out there.

I dont think we would have won the league cup either had we stayed in. We're not going to get through in Europe either I'd like to add but if you had offered we the win against Helsinki or this game I'd have taken the Helsinki win.

I think that is a bit unfair. It is far too early to make a judgement on Booth. The manager seems to rate him, but he needs to bulk up and mature. He needs a loan spell. It is also early to assess Vogt. I agree that his performances to date have been largely, at best, anonymous or worse. He needs to do much more, but he is away from home, trying to settle into a new team, a new style and a higher standard of football. I'll give him a bit more time. Ross, doesn't look like he'll make it, and Wilson has had about 100 games over the years, it looks like his chance has gone.

Again, agree 100% with this. Raging.

100% this. Absolutely fucking fuming at that. The Freiburg tie is nigh-on unwinnable. We have sacrificed a potential cup run, months of anticipation etc. Out with a whimper.

Voghts must have a twin brother and we got the wrong one.

On plus side I might make it to freiburg away now as flight prices probably dropped massively

We’re not going to win the league and we’re not going to go any further in Europe, so the domestic cups are our best hope for tangible success. So to treat it with such disrespect by not fielding the strongest eleven is blindly arrogant and downright stupid. We have a history of treating the cups as if they’re not all that important. Jens did it last season and paid the price, McCall was notorious for it, Kettlewell and Robinson were guilty of it too. And all the while we have to watch on as St.Mirren and St.Johnstone get to lift the league cup trophy in recent years. It’s just not good enough and a slap in the face to the support.

You're alright, I got it. £9.99 I'll never get back

Forgot wilson,not even good enough as a squad player,voght is a dud.

I did say before the game I’d rather get beat and have no injuries. I have a Hard time getting worked up about the league cup, ao I’m over it already. Having said that, it was a dreadful performance on a dreadful pitch but might have brought us back to earth with a bang and help us realise we still have a lot of work to do to be. Good team. With everything rolling along smoothly we might have been getting ahead of our station. This is a stark reminder. So hopefully gives us a kick in the arse to be up amd at it on Thursday night.

I agree with that albeit I thought Whyte was not terrible. I don't know what Ross or Booth offer at this stage and it get's my goat every time the manager leads with how great Booth is . He's no where near ready. Vogts isn't any better or to be honest JT looks completely disinterested. I had given JT the benefit of the doubt as he's missed preseason but today I didn't see anything.

To cut AJ some slack, I would have started Connelly, Wilson, Hodge and Whyte today. However, I would have had either Fadinger or Priestman on from the start and switch at half time. I'd also have had Johnny K play in place of Ross for at least 45.

Some trek for that pish 😂 booth, vogt, Ross, and Wilson are nowhere near good enough to play for us hopefully it shows what we need & we get some business done quick

I'm not buying into being down the bare bones and resting players,shite pitch etc,we should have had enough at any point in that game to get the job done and we have massively fucked it up,we barely created a chance in 120 minutes and thats unforgivable.weve brought in a fortune over the summer and it's about time we got a couple of forwards in that can make a difference,cooke is poor and vogt looks like he's won a competition to be here and that should be the end of the road for the likes of wilson and ross.

Manager has to take accountability for fielding so many player out their depth. Players have to take accountability for not trying to play football - irrespective of approach or changes to personnel their approach wasn't good enough. Injuries are a real concern missing Sparrow , Williams, JK, Priestman. Lack of squad bigger concern - don't think any of the forwards we're missing would make any difference. Massive reality check today - I thought Falkirk was really poor - this like others have said was as bad as we've seen and we've seen it over and over and over again.

What we don't know is some players are maybe carrying injuries, fatigued etc. It's a wake up call but season had been going great up until today.

Lost the chance of getting to Hampden in a competition we could have done well in, unfortunately we have “previous” for doing this that’s what hurts, club just lost a lot of cash due to that performance. 😩

Really piss poor,the young lads,whyte,ross,mcallister,booth showed they are miles away from what we require,voghts ffs up front on his own,absolutely useless,a shocker all round.

You really need to add a “none of above” box