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Nearly 6000 home fans for a midweek game is good going,there would have been a time fairly recently when we would have seen about 4000 there for this type of fixture even on a saturday,to put it into context there was quite a load more motherwell fans at our game last night than what there was in the entirety at rugby park and almost as many for a so called derby game at dens park.

Sorry Grizzly, But even I know Vogt doesnt rhyme with Pettigrew! 😍😍😍

Probably get run out of town for this suggestion but to try and get his confidence up and make him realise we are rooting for him how about song next time he comes on to OHHHH WILLY WILLY WILLY WILLY WILLY WILLY WILLY VOGT Just a suggestion

I would be delighted and I am sure the vast majority of non arse cheek fans would as well if the two of them left to form a two team league. Unlikely to happen , but a good thought nevertheless.

At first I thought lower than that but 5800 home fans on midweek game and after all the European expense is very good. I think a lot of neutrals cone to watch us mow

Probably getting confused cos he was on loan at Auckland last season. You had the right continent....but not necessarily the right player 🤣

Crowd was just over 6,400 I believe with about 600 away fans.

Aye but two days ago you couldnt see where our next win was coming from........

My fault i thought JGR was from New Zealand 🤦‍♂️

I sometimes we think overanalyse things such as. So and so didnt smile at full time This person only clapped 5 times to the fans Criticism is fine as long as its done in a constructive way. This season already is very encouraging and with players returning from injury the competition for places is keeping all the lads on their toes. Look at Lowry since we signed Hodge and now Levitt. Also big Thor put in a shift when he came on. Genuinely excited this season, long may the Alfred revolution continue, at this rate he will be a legend...........awwww nawww.....I've done it again! 🤪

We've averaged 59% possession over four league matches, two of which were away from home. That's pretty good.

Ah it’s the ‘Hands across the M74’ derby. Love it. I watched Rangers game against Aberdeen on Sunday and it was very much a typical McInnes type performance and win, ie. pretty dull but effective in the end. They’ve had a shaky start but you can see Del starting to put his mark on that team and Shankland is back on the goal trail which will always carry a major threat as he is a lethal striker at this level. From our point of view we need to take confidence in last night and our recent very good record at Ibrox where I always feel far more confident of winning than I do when we play them at Fir Park. That said though I don’t see us getting anything on Saturday. 2-1 home win and plenty of bubbling and dribbling about the referee on here afterwards.

Looking forward to this one. It feels like we have banished the curse of Ibrox, and this Rangers team dont scare anyone. If Alfred gets the team selection right and we are organised and handle them at set pieces, we can get a positive result here. Fernandez is so indisciplined positionally, Im pretty sure we can lay traps and get him to step out into areas he shouldnt and hurt them from there. We have threats all over the park and a strong bench now to change it if we need to. Id still take a draw, but Id love to get another win there and keep Id in the top 3 of the table.

Agree re Lowry. He has been absolutely top drawer for us so far. Not the same player as Slattery or Just, but he has that level of technical ability and creativity that just gets you off your seat. He also seems to have matured and is in a really good head space right now. Do we have some magic formula that we give to the waifs and strays that come here looking to resurrect careers? Hoping he has a point to prove on Saturday. Big performance incoming!

I dont disagree with most of that, but Im not sure putting him out on loan helps. He isnt an academy kid who has lived here all his live and has family and friends nearby. Putting him out on loan might actually make matters worse. I think some strength and conditioning work would be helpful, but he looks lost at the moment so Id be keeping him close, showing him a bit of love (as Alfred did last night) and keep picking and choosing his minutes carefully. You may be right, he may just not have what it takes, but we should still treat him right and give him the best chance we can to show his best. Ultimately, if its not good enough, we shake hands and get him a move back to whatever level he can thrive at.

A good comparison. He’s been absolutely brilliant so far.

I think there are a lot of things going on with Maswanhise at the moment. Firstly, he must be really disappointed that he hasnt got his big move over the close season like a number of his team mates. As the leagues top scorer, he probably thought it was a shoe in. Thats disappointing for him, but also for us as a club as we havent got top market value for him. Secondly, with the turnover of squad, he is no longer the main man up top. We have a number of players putting in top performances and challenging for his position. That will have him feeling the pressure a bit. Both those things will have him bursting a gut to prove he is still the main man and worthy of a big move. There is no shortage of effort from him. He puts in the hard yards tracking back and is always looking for the ball further forward. You can question his decision making (I have) and you can highlight his current poor form (I have) but the player hasnt spat the dummy. Now it looks like he is going to be with us until January, I think its time we circle the wagons and put an arm round him and see if we cant help him recover his form. He is our asset, and January is last chance saloon for us to make any money out of him.

I think we’ve probably moved on from criticising Vogt to just feeling a bit sorry for him. He looks like a fish out of water, unfortunately. Probably best he’s kept out of the matchday squads until he’s up to speed, although that depends on him actually having the ability to play at this level, which is very much in doubt. Otherwise, send him out on loan and see how he gets on in a lower-pressure environment.

Was it not a two team league that was proposed with total backing from the media. Where the two big teams play each other every week with each game broadcast live on tv. On a more serious note I sense a bit of a change in the type of football being played in Scotland top leauge now with the emphasis on passing etc etc which started off with us and has even spread to St Midden. Don't think it will ever spread up north to Aberdeen tho they will always be cloggers kicking teams off the park.

Maswanhise wasn't terrible last night, 2 assists. A few things that didn't come off, but he's a threat and the opposition know it. Only thing that really stuck out last night was he opted to shoot at a very unlikely angle in first half, rather than cutting back for an almost certain goal. Silly fouls high up the pich when we're pressing also frustrate me, but he was appearing to look as if he was trying to avoid contact. The team is still very much gelling though and I'm sure he'll be fine, if not with the same goal return as last year. Levitt slotted in seamlessly. Hodge again was dynamic, buzzing about looking for the ball to progress play. We got noticably more penetration when JGR came on (especially for 2nd goal) when he stepped through the Utd press and played into final third. Lowry fantastic and a good dig on him. Kanga still finding his feet, but clearly technically proficient and again was dynamic and looking for space to receive the ball. Vogt isn't at the races at the moment. Needs the gym and a bit more time to settle in. Palmer-Houlden - A very handy 'target man' and a good finish last night.

Very easy to cherry pick as you say but facts are he was over a full season . League top scorer and in team of the year. Yet some on here want rid of him . He loses ball sometimes as he takes risks which is what good players do. It's pure mental that some on here want rid as I can guarantee none of anyone else in the building can do what he does. Anyway as other posters are saying I can't believe focus on negativity after last night's demolition of a team who had won 4-0 game before. Let's get positivity going.

Up our section of hunter stand wasn't any real criticism of Vogt, more like sympathetic groans as nothing came off for him. I am willing him on to come good as he comes across as a really likeable guy that wants to be part of the Alfred revolution. As with great goals I personally thought Lowry miskicked it!!.......just kiddin. 🤣 COYW

Incredible to see individual players being slated when we've just put in a superb team performance and got a great result. It was the same at the match last night when all I heard was Vogts being criticised. Not great goals, great performance, great start to the season..... It seems like even when things are about as good as they will ever be for Motherwell fans, a lot of them still want to whine and moan. Seriously, after last night we are talking about Maswanhise's alleged taxi conduct? It'd be funny if it wasn't also grim as fuck.

The important part is his general touch and control are invariably poor and have been for months. Two simple lays offs don.t change that fact. If we are going to evidence two simple instances in a game that hes playing welI. I'll counter with him missing the penalty on Saturday, lost the ball for St Mirrens 2nd goal. Last night he lost an easy ball the nearly resulted in a goal for Dundee Utd and sent a shocking ball for SOD who'd burst a gut to get into a great position. See its easy to cherry pick. For me He loses the ball far too often and fluffs it far two often.

Must be hard comming on when team is playing well trying to get up to speed and fit in right away. Nothing came off for him at all last night. TJ two assists I missed at the game but saw on tv, so maybe I was focused on his bad stuff but he does give ball away a lot..