nethertonwellfan Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 I don't think any one is saying professional football would be in danger but standards would drop. Did you see us beat full time first division side Morton 6-0 with out hardly lifting a finger? I actually went to 1st division games last season and I think people would get a bit of a rude awakening at the standard of football played compared to the SPL. It is nowhere near SPL level for the most part. Dunfermline Athletic won the First Division by 10 clear points and look how badly they fared this season. I still don't think that should allow teams to get away with murder. I can't believe people would rather put money before integrity, I just don't understand that argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoMaSano Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 I don't think any one is saying professional football would be in danger but standards would drop. Did you see us beat full time first division side Morton 6-0 with out hardly lifting a finger? I actually went to 1st division games last season and I think people would get a bit of a rude awakening at the standard of football played compared to the SPL. It is nowhere near SPL level for the most part. Dunfermline Athletic won the First Division by 10 clear points and look how badly they fared this season. Footballing standards are not a major issue to be honest. I like watching good football, and enjoy watching Barcelona etc. but the majority of our fans just want us to "Get it up the park" anyway! Yes the standard may drop a bit if the budgets were cut, but they would be cut across the board (Celtic's would be cut a lot more than anybody else’s) and the league would become more competitive. A couple of years with a more competitive league and the fans and dare I say TV companies would not be shy in coming back. The standards would rise again. The SPL have one chance to deal with serial cheaters and then change the balance in Scottish football for good. Goodbye unfair revenue split, goodbye 11-1 voting system. Without their bigot brothers Celtic wouldn't have a leg to stand on when it came to changing the SPL rules for the benefit of all. If they don't take it then there can be no complaining about the unfair advantage the filth have, especially when within 2/3 years Rangers are back lording it over us diddies. One chance to change the landscape of Scottish football for the better. Yet nobody wants to take the responsibility. Even the club who are moving to being completely fan run look unlikely to stand up for what the fans want. We're not stupid, lay it out in Black and white, say "Without Rangers in the league we stand to lose £X,XXX and in real terms that would be these 4/5 players couldn't be kept on and would be replaced by youth team players" Let the fans know what the impact would be, if the vast, vast majority still feel that it is a price worth paying to punish cheating and aid fairness, then that should be the vote cast. Motherwell have no control over the rest of the SPL and how they will vote, but at least we could move forward with a clear conscience that at least we did the just thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoMaSano Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Wondering if the MST have done anything regarding finding out what it's members think about the scenario? So this can be put to the club? Just wondering as I read this letter from the sheep fans board :http://www.donssupporterstogether.com/open-letter-to-stewart-milne-re-upcoming-spl-meeting/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 The players that turned out for Hearts and Hibs in the cup final last week aren't of the standard they had a few years ago. Do you think that mattered to either set of fans in the build up to the game? Fans support their clubs, not the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoMaSano Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 1337796163[/url]' post='342870']The players that turned out for Hearts and Hibs in the cup final last week aren't of the standard they had a few years ago. Do you think that mattered to either set of fans in the build up to the game? Fans support their clubs, not the players. Exactly, and if the whole league is cutting back at the same time and we are as competitive as before, no one would give a F*ck if the standard was slightly lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosser30 Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 http://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/2012/05/24/club-statement-rangers-fc/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggischomper Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 Interesting to see how the press spins that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 We do not believe we can separate the sporting integrity of our league from the sustainable future of our club; the two go hand in hand. ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 The full statement for anyone who hasn't read it yet; “The club continues to actively participate in the discussions being held at the SPL in relation to the current issues at Rangers Football Club. “To date we have seen no proposals to transfer a share in the SPL to a “Newco” and have therefore made no decision on how we would vote if such a scenario did arise. We have purposefully avoided making any public statements to date given the uncertainty of the situation and the lack of any clarity on what, if anything, we will be required to vote on. “Once we have full information we will be able to decide our position. Any speculation on the basis of conjecture only adds to the damage to the game and all of our interests. “We are well progressed with a plan that is designed to bring both fan ownership and long term financial stability to the club, without reliance on funding from either a bank or a benefactor. We do not believe we can separate the sporting integrity of our league from the sustainable future of our club; the two go hand in hand. “Any decisions we take as a Board are made in the best interests of the club with a view to achieving our stated aims for ownership and funding. “In the event that a “Newco” proposal is presented to us, we intend to fully discuss with representatives of our supporters groups, prior to making any decision.” What I read from that is the club are going to look at the situation as and when it arises, and if the loss of Rangers impacts on our finances in a negative fashion (which it will) they'll vote in favour of a NEWCO coming straight into the SPL. In my opinion Motherwell FC as a club, or Derek Weir as a member of the SPL board, will vote to keep Rangers in the SPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 What I actually took from the part that Lobey highlighted was that the club feel any perception of a lack of sporting integrity will impact on our sustainable future. Or in layman's terms they realise if they give Rangers a free pass, there's a good chance much of the Well Society money disappears.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 What I actually took from the part that Lobey highlighted was that the club feel any perception of a lack of sporting integrity will impact on our sustainable future. Or in layman's terms they realise if they give Rangers a free pass, there's a good chance much of the Well Society money disappears.. Interesting perspective. I must admit, I never read it that way originally, but I can see where you're coming from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 Interesting perspective. I must admit, I never read it that way originally, but I can see where you're coming from. It's the last part which says a sustainable future and sporting integrity go hand in hand that leads me to think that way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaag Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 Aye. I'd certainly not buy a season ticket nor renew my well society membership if they said yes to newco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 What I actually took from the part that Lobey highlighted was that the club feel any perception of a lack of sporting integrity will impact on our sustainable future. Or in layman's terms they realise if they give Rangers a free pass, there's a good chance much of the Well Society money disappears.. That was my initial interpretation, we could be wide of the mark though. Credit to the club for the statement, we have dealt with the situation much better than many of our spl counterparts. Looking at the bigger picture, if they are done for dual contracts then we might not have to vote on a newco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkySuperSub Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 Not much else they could say, there's nothing to vote on at present and I'm assuming the member clubs know about as much as the fans do of the current situation and likelihood of either an existing or a "newco" Rangers even being in existence next season, let alone in which division or with what sanctions. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkySuperSub Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 Or in layman's terms they realise if they give Rangers a free pass, there's a good chance much of the Well Society money disappears.. That's exactly what I took from that part also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welldaft Mk1 Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 Not much else they could say, there's nothing to vote on at present and I'm assuming the member clubs know about as much as the fans do of the current situation and likelihood of either an existing or a "newco" Rangers even being in existence next season, let alone in which division or with what sanctions. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. True, but the content of the statement whilst still a little non committal is a hundred times more professional and considered than the comments of the Killie Chairman, who has made a buffoon of himself and by virtue the club he represents. Plus at least they have made what I believe a nod in the direction of a no to a newco by spinning the sporting integrity line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkySuperSub Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 Totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 people will read whatever they want into any statement. Why dont we all just take it at face value, at present there is no decision to make! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmacd1 Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 True, but the content of the statement whilst still a little non committal is a hundred times more professional and considered than the comments of the Killie Chairman, who has made a buffoon of himself and by virtue the club he represents. Plus at least they have made what I believe a nod in the direction of a no to a newco by spinning the sporting integrity line. I agree 100% with everything you've said. Whilst not committing themselves totally, and rightly so with lack of complete info, I did get the impression that they would head in the no camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazilian Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 It's a well worded statement that a politician would be proud off as it gives no positive answer either way , it also cleverly includes snippets on sporting integrity and financial stability to appease many, be interesting to see how fans are consulted as the vote is usually meant to be taken on the day off the meeting, I do wonder what prompted the statement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggischomper Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 Steve Diggle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted May 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 Slow uptake on ST renewals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 Rangers hoping to be out of admin by Monday. Apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuwell Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 aye but on about three other fridays they have hoped to have buyers by the following monday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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