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I dont think they did pal but that's football all about opinions. I actually watched game again today on Iplayer and we did have some nice 1 touch stuff but went nowhere with it. They weren't miles better but scored 1st and had bigger players than us who bullied us a bit and wanted it a wee bit more I felt. I'm same as you in totally raging with result and wondering where we go next but I know something we can't give up.

Well they didn't did they. They got ball forward quickly. And played on our inability to defend so fair play to them .if you think they passed us of park by getting ball down and passing round us I will disagree with you on that .

Sounds easy but with the wind how it was it makes it difficult. Surely you are aware of that .

Like all I'm scunnered with that last night. Big Oakley done some damage to our defence . Miller like others said really struggled with pitch and more importantly the wind as all players struggled to get it down. Their midfield 3 esp 1st half dominated and got ball forward early. I felt when vale came on 57 mins he looked gd and him and bair were in middle in what was 352 but kettlewell panicked and sent on obika 10 mins later and moved those 2 wider which totally killed any momentum that was building and players not knowing what they were doing. The last 20 mins was like a game up park with your pals with players in positions they didn't know. How Nicholson never got on ill never know. Butcher let Oakley run 20 yards into box without a tackle. Kelly standing off his line at inswinging corner. Spittal hitting outswinging corners when wind is with us. All just small things but by God amateur players know not to do those things. I could go on and on but my biggest take is kettlewell picked wrong team (halliday should have been on from start to get stuck in with miller on later) and his subs totally wrecked any cohesion in team. Obika just can't do anything now.

Another who gets it far too tight when team struggling. He's got 25 scotland caps for a reason.

Wasn't just you giving stick david was quite a few. I can't agree with your "stick was entirely warranted" comment any player coming to us should get benefit of doubt initially in my book but that's another debate.

Yep agree with that richie plus his "offside" goal was some finish showing confidence, his run to the left then darted right on breakaway and Spittal put him in for him to dink it just wide was great movement from him and also he was waiting for a tap in from paton who made bad pass. A big thing I noticed last night and will continue is defenders are starting to fear him giving room to our other players which again is another arrow to his bow. Someone with his size strength and speed will always be capable of something in our league and why I couldn't believe stick he was getting earlier in season without having had a chance with us . Bevis is same and yes he is bambi on ice at times but he has all the attributes of bair that I mentioned and can use them in different ways hence the reason I at present always want him in the team.

Keep same team for me. Regards time to recover I feel there's far too much emphasis on this certainly at our level. It's more mental than physical I believe and a game v ross county then morton 3 days later is not champs league. Our players train every day they are more than capable of playing every 3 days. Our best player Spittal on for full 90 last night when not needed tells me he's one of fittest in team and kettlewell obviously knows that also.

Outstanding performance and best in a long while. The movement between sods and bevis is something not normal in spl or motherwell teams but it produced gd results and fair play for kettlewell for trying it. Spittal and bair are prime examples of not to judge before seeing how they play. Both are really kicking on. Plus we now have options of bench and also building confidence. Friday night is going to be a great old fashioned cup tie with 2 teams full of confidence and gd support behind them. I saw yesterday we had sold 1200 here's hoping that tonight plus sales at end of week can take us to 2k. Really looking forward to it with confidence.

I did say "some" and "generally" Live and let live! but most can't be arsed with continuous negative boring people imo.

I get that a forum is for all opinions and we can't all be positive but by God the last 24 hours have been negativity central. Some people really do have sad lives who just moan at anything. See the arseholes at your work that non stop say they hate their job moan at everything are generally also shite at their job. The same applies here in their football knowledge and so called support of their team. That guy/gal yesterday who said he hadn't been in 10 years but on moaning. Holy fuk that summed those sort of people up .

Yep because championship players in England other than some of our big 2s players are mostly better. Clarke has gave some from up here games I.e gallagher findlay considine etc god he even gave brophy the centre forward role so that I think can put that argument to bed.

I'd really like this to happen also. His professionalism , knows how to win and better than any of our attacking players makes it a no brainer if it was at all possible. He maybe thinks he can make euros squad.

That would be gd signing. Right footed but has played on left for rangers so cover both sides and young with potential.

How much more can they pay than us do you think? I wouldn't think more than 1 maybe 2k / 3k a week. There's only 17 weeks till end May that's only max 50k surely to fuk we can't lose him to st mirren for that.

personal opinion i cant see any downside of a tie up with some big gun. All their knowledge , expertise and players etc etc can only be a good thing. Im reading a lot of the what ifs? this is bad thats bad etc etc when in reality anyyone wanting involved from so called big gun is obviously very astute in business and in all cases are billionaires and so the chance of them failing is a lot lower than some wee guy coming in with a couple of a million in his back pocket or continuing to be run by amateurs as a lot on here mostly say we are at the moment and have been for a while (not my view). Think of the positives.

Yes we shouldn't and can't rely on loan signings but hopefully we see more of biereths like from real big clubs like arsenal etc and not so much journeyman crap from league 2 in England. Young players from top clubs like arsenal are hungry and talented , even championship clubs players are on different level as can be seen with Spencer and gent this season. Those 3 have arguably been our best players this season and certainly most exciting. If we can get some of those as loans every year it allayed to a good core then we should certainly improve I feel. Alas the good core at the moment is not there either.

Think your wrong here spider. Biereth wages are miniscule in a club like arsenal and reason he is away is quite simply better league for him to be tested in. Relegation battle for us or Sheffield we'd in championship is really not a question to answer in level of player he will be playing with or against. They would im sure be 3rd in our league easily.

Stands up to loads of scrutiny. Them and their pals from other side get nearly and I mean nearly every week a dubious decision in their favour and their fan boys in media deflect it. If you think otherwise then up to you.

I get the frustrations from all our fans now and theres no doubt apathy is one of biggest downfalls. I myself have been at pretty much every game last 5 years but this year ive only been at 5 or 6 due to had other things on at start of season then realised that i cant be bothered as much as I was and not really missed it . Im going on sunday but really dont want to and thats down to in most part getting scudded from them that often with their fans lording it over us makes it not very enjoyable experience usually. This is also the case with fans of all other teams and I feel if the league was upped to 16 with after 30 games a top 8 and bottom 8 with just 1 game each where you knew at start of season who you would play and where in split that it would give fresh impetus to a lot of teams. After the split teams that finished 1-4 would have 4 home games and 5-8 would have 3 home games with the same in bottom 8. Team 1 would have their 4 home games against 2345 and away against 678. Team 2 home against 3456 and 781 away etc etc. I know it would make some teams having more away than home against certain teams but that happens the now with the split and if teams know at start of season what happens then it makes it relatively fair IMO with all games meaning something up to split to secure more home games after 2 relegated with 3rd bottom in a playoff with 3rd from championship also means freshness every season and also easier for teams to get back promoted so no lengthy spells in seaside leagues that decimates teams e.g Falkirk,dunfermline,raith,accies,airdrie etc . The amount of young scottish players not playing in our leagues is depressing and by expanding you would think they would get more of a chance and crowds would increase as not a lot of meaningless games and teams could build on good runs without playing one of them every 5 or so games Teams in Scotland cannot grow due to nature of our league and I know all the usual will come out like we need 4 old firms a season etc but something needs to change as supports everywhere will continue to deplete as more and more will go to them as is being seen in aberdeen, dundee,gorgie and leith where traditionally people would go local but there are busses from these areas going to glasgow every week now. After all that heres hoping sunday can give us some christmas cheer

I feel he will go with 2 strikers against livi. St mirren were better side v us in cup game with their 3421 and sk dealt with this by matching up against them in league and whilst result was not success the performance obviously gave him hope to continue with it against glasgow 2 where our extra man in midfield helped to give us our best performances against them in years. Lennon miller I feel was a wee bit slow on Saturday and I am certainly not criticising him as he is our great white hope and on the plastic pitch if its sticky he could get targeted by livi so I have a feeling he might get a wee rest Lot of talk about this and that required and some slagging of players and even manager which is what a forum is all about I suppose . I am certainly in glass half full camp and up to now 4th equal with bottom 3 still to play plus adeen for 1st run of fixtures I'll stick my neck out and predict we will be 3rd by end of 1st round of 11 games. Lots to be pleased about and this is our best team since turnbull arriyibi campbell etc

You seem to have developed an agenda against Bair who has been whether you like it or not an important part of a team that is functioning pretty well with room to improve. Lost 2 games 1-0 to a st mirren team who are unbeaten and to a team where we haven't won in league in 20 odd years and in both games all agree were fine performances . You suggest Wilkinson and Shaw now on what they have done in past and suggested ferrie previously for god knows what reason however in life the people who always look to the past are generally not as successful as those who prioritise the future. Your Bair rants are also starting to look a little bit personal like others who used to post on here slating every midfielder like ohara.spittall etc that kept cornelius out team as he was a local boy. Fact was and is they were better than him same as Bair is better than Ferrie. Bair imo is doing OK as part of our 3421 formation and I like others hope he makes you eat your words.

Exactly smiddy.

Spider there is no way its going to be a long haul. This team is not far away and the performance today was as good as I've seen at ibrox in years. Yes the strikers aren't van veen level but our midfield 4 is playing best football at fir park for a while. After today and also seen some celtic games this year those 2 are nowhere near the level they have been in last couple of seasons. Only downside I see for us is if we get more injuries to our midfield I think we'd be struggling as there's no one to come in. I know we are beat again but there are plenty positives in last 2 games against 2nd and 3rd in league.

Bair is playing as a target man rather than a striker as I read someone else point out and this sums him up I think. By only having him up top it allows our 4 in midfield to get a grip on the game and hence slattery paton and Spittal are all having gd games recently going forward whilst miller sits deeper and keeps things ticking over. Curtis main done similar role when turnbull arriyibi and hastie were tearing it up and he also got some stick on here. We will switch between I up which will help us dominate midfield and 2 up which will mean more direct route as season develops I feel on a horses for courses basis.