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Great Post Dennyc and your point on odonnell is my view also. For other poster to say dropped because he was shit is actually laughable and whilst yes he had poor games he was and is still the best full back in squad and Alexander definitely had a fall out with him. This did happen . Odonnell is from our area and I'm sure there are some on here that know him or his family or friends and this is why it's easy to confirm.

Totally disagree with that. In his 20 mins or so yes he had 3 passes that never found their targets however they were all attempts if they had completed would have resulted in 1 on 1 on goalkeeper chances for a team mate. Shows me he 1 is in position to do this and 2 isn't afraid to try as well as having vision to try. Also his attempt at end where he tried to chip keeper. Hammel also must know him well ike him and trust him to put him on at that stage when we were holding on for a win. Here's hoping he gets plenty more minutes as I am firmly on-board with hope for the future for him.

Yep Im same we were certainly not outclassed. They won due to similar performance to what we achieved 1st half of last season which was score 1st hang in and see game out or score another against run of play. I felt we played into their hands both games with this tactic of get the ball forward early and play off 2nd balls. We done it from kick off with a punt up to KVV then next passage of play all way back to kelly and punt up park. They were set up to deal with this and I just wished we had passed it about the back for a while to settle us into game and get their players running around. Kvv been non existent both legs as have others but he was on full 90 both games i think? At start of 2nd half we went what looked like a 424 with shields in middle with kvv. Problem was we had morris on right and tierney on left with no crosses into box I felt then if we had morris wide left and spittal wide right which is maybe their natural positions then we would have seen deliverys into box. Start of season this weekend which usually calls for some excitement but not this year unfortunately and that tells its own story. If we dont have a new manager in place soon the atmosphere at games is going to be bad and after the connect the club has been slowly increasing over the years with the fans that will be sad to see and will only lead to a downward spiral.

He needs to go it's that simple. Our best player we think is a signing from scunthorpe at 31. Let that sink in. Sick and the bottom line is we weren't prepared enough although seemingly we had other games played that we fans didn't know about . It was never enough. Our players just aren't good enough and we have let go watt, ofonnell on bench but Alexander and some say he's pish as well as others . Who in our team would hibs sign for example? Long season ahead unless Alexander is sacked. Craigan for me

Scunnered the same as everyone else after 1 game and we simply need to win on Thursday or the toxicity will mean some won't come back for a bit I feel. After the build up of being in Europe the march the tifo the atmosphere at start of game 90 mins later maybe even 45 later we are all in meltdown. The victory parades round the park after the game by players the 1st half of last season after a win seem years ago. It looks like we are going to be playing same style as last year 433 which got us some lucky results at start but then got found out but this year imo we have a weaker team as no watt or woolery upfront so like others I a concerned. Regards the fans no doubt the main stand issues were poor from club but they have realised it and are going to fix it if hopefully we get another game in Europe. The East stand issues were from my vantage point caused by some fans being arses in the main. 40 year olds getting aggressive with younger guys asking them to sit down at start of game( it's a football match no the cinema) was the reply which I fully agree with certainly in the East stand but it got angry for a wee bit. between them. 50 year olds coming in 20 mins into game obviously had a few telling younger guys they were in their seat nearly a punch up when there was 4 spare seats together in next row behind that they eventually went in. I've heard few stories regarding similar and it happens every time our end is full and the entitlement of some causes hassle. I also see other side of coin that" it's my seat" " I am disabled " "my child is small and can't see "etc etc but it certainly should not resort to what was happening when it's easily sorted. Last points is regarding the sing in Chapel song and YouTube leaving early and I'll maybe get slaughtered for this but is you only sing in the Chapel really sectarian? I actually laughed at this at time and it's maybe because religion plays no part in my life whatsover and then realised maybe some will be offended by it but the young team who were singing it I don't think have the same religious undertone of the middle aged guys in West of Scotland. Certainly some of my sons pals who are Catholic celtic supporters and at game with him said they were not offended and thought it was patter. Maybe we are all trying too hard to look for offence nowadays but there you go I may be wrong . The YouTube guy leaving early was disappointing as like others I enjoy his content and he comes across as a great young guy and is very complimentary about Motherwell. I'd imagine if your letting fireworks off in street which is illegal then you don't want it publicised for everyone to see hence him likely getting asked to stop although I won't condone any threats towards him which is poor . There you go it's all done with till Thursday and god knows what will happen over there but I'm certainly not confident but there's always hope isn't there?

I thought he had something as seen v dundee utd and hearts at home. Both were pishing wet nights so maybe ball held up in puddles rather than running out of play lol. Hope we have someone lined up to replace him . Although I think all signings so far are good and reliable players who I feel will enhance team they are not as others say exciting anyone but how many exciting signings do we ever make? Would mikey Johnston at celtic be available on loan? I'd imagine his salary would put him out our reach for permanent transfer but again unsure He is still young with potential and people to prove wrong and certainly would come under the kelly type signing where we take a risk financially with hope of selling on later. Just a suggestion off top of my head.

Steven Davis I feel would be a great signing. Exactly what we need and would no doubt drive standards up. He does not have the baggage of other players from either of them i.e brown,griffiths ,boyd etc and he has also been used to playing as an underdog with northern ireland. I can not see any downside other than hes 37 and may get injured but he has looked fit enough any time ive saw him this season. Him and one other similar stature defender and striker and you have leaders and organisers in every area of pitch which we have not had this season. Even just being in for him is a serious upgrade in transfer gossip than there has been for a while.

Maybe to support our boys? Must be shite as a player if you were running out and none of your own fans were there as can't be bothered going. Last couple of games there's no doubt the fans had a huge impact all driven by young team and added to by the rest. I respect your opinion as at both of them it can be hard going and it is expensive etc etc but if everyone had same opinion as you then it's basically raising the white flag to them. There's always a chance and anyone who's been there or other place when wev had a result will testify how good it feels. I still remember my 1st time there with my pals 1989 and we won and coming out walking to train station all well fans singing feeling 10 ft tall. That's how I want to go

I'm with you grizzly but unfortunately I think your wrong. Some strange people in our support as in life. Booing from some last night at half time was unbelievable. Saw a couple up at dingwall on Saturday who will make themselves ill by their shouting pish at our boss. Never saw them at end of both games funnily enough.

Can't buy tickets online and been trying all week so phoned our ticket office there who said they are just waiting on confirmation from celtic to get more. I asked how many we had sold but she said couldn't disclose. Celtic obviously want to keep them all for their own fans and I understand that but I'm a bit disappointed that it's not 48 hrs till ko and nothing sorted. I'm guessing here but I don't think we will have sold out the allocation that all away teams have to receive per spfl rules . This is sort of thing that no other team would get away with other than those 2 and gets me a bit pissed off. Would be hilarious if we could do something on Saturday and why not. Hope we can take decent crowd if permitted as players deserve backing after securing europe

Yes they maybe have since January but we maybe got all our luck 1st half of season as we all saw we were just as poor but getting wins. Whilst united never troubled our goal a lot they did dominate ball but we had best chances. Think shape of team yesterday suited some better and next week I'd go same with hopefully odonnell back for rwb sol back for ojala and van veen for shields. Unbelievable really we still have a chance of europe and next week is biggest of season. County are decent though and they are favourites in my book but we have pulled better results from nowhere this season.

Yes I agree with that regarding our recruitment however we have an international full back and whilst we can all have our opinions on that SOD is that and I'd imagine when he goes it will be a long time before we have another There's no doubt in my mind the groans and moans from East stand have impacted him hugely. Our stand is very close to pitch and in any line of work if people are moaning at you all time it has an impact. I totally get frustrations this year but it winds me up when I hear some total negativity on a Saturday from a noisy few. Last night on twitter the club released a thing saying ," fully prepared ". Every response other than 1 from about a dozen was negative. I'd imagine the players on twitter read it and the ones not will hear of it. The anonymous nobody's of social media are anonymous nobody's in their own homes id imagine but they can have a huge influence unfortunately . P.s that's not a dig at yourself

It's quite straightforward I think if we get europe then everyone will be OK and happy. If not then I think the last of the goodwill will end. League season is over 38 games and if it all ends happily then whilst the football won't have been great (unless next 4 changes dramatically) he will be deemed a success. Fingers crossed for that happening

Not dressing up anything at all just stating factual stats that show if he is out through injury suspension or dropped then we as a team are not as successful Everything else is just noise really.

Ohara has to start for me also some say what does he do. I can ask same about all our midfield unfortunately but here's a stat I saw earlier. Including league cup knockout game and scottish cup games and league Ohara in team won6 drew6 lost4 Ohara out team won5 drew5 lost12 Now I know there's a lot of other variables in games but that says a lot.

I agree with a lot of your post but I honestly think his instructions limit us. Slattery imo is gd on ball but he has no one to pass too. As I said on other post kvv huge miss but Woolery wide right 1on1 v barasic gives us a chance. Slattery kelly woolery and kvv are my only certain starters but 2 of them have been dropped for lots of season and other has been suspended. Start of 2nd half why did we not pass it about at back between our 4 and kelly for a while to get their 10 men running around and frustrate their fans and give us the belief that we were now in control? So may questions to answer that can't be answered on here but as you say bottom line is we have poor players.

Yep and I get that but everyone says some things that they then go back on. Just.my view as I can't see what Alexander is trying to do. All this season I can only think of hearts and dundee utd at home and aberdeen in cup that we played well. 2 of those were in pishing rain and other was cup . He still doesn't know his best team . Says it all really.

Cmon ya bezzer you know as well as me and others we got very lucky at both games at ibrox. I have been giving Alexander benefit of doubt but after today I'm now wanting him away. A decent manager would have changed at half time to really go and beat 10 men but we let them pass about at back to then hit wright and sakala to run at us and over top. I am really pissed of at today as another poster said that was our time but we shat it. How woolery doesn't start mystery as even though he loses ball he makes another of their players come over to cover barasic which should mean space elsewhere. Missed van veen big time today plus I felt ohara should have started. I'm fully aware they are miles better than us but lack of fight ambition and basic football skills against their 10 men has again got me scumnered and I want Alexander replaced now. Who with some will ask? Stephen Craigan. We have got lucky where we are and I will be at dundee next week but ...........

I'm actually a bit shocked by response to this. Whilst I would never want to back down to either of them I can see how some might see it. However I see it as beneficial to us also in we have an extra day rest before utd game as well as I'd imagine players desperate to get back after 2 week since livi game where we finished on a high. I also can totally understand frustration with people who have made arrangements and now can't make it but also there would have been some who couldn't make the Sunday and now can so its swings and roundabouts I'd imagine. It will be hilarious if we can get something out game after all their fans on twitter sooking up to burrows for so called helping them out. Can't wait for Saturday now and also maybe a great Saturday afternoon in pub after a gd result which wouldn't have been as good on a Sunday.

Yes I agree with you but although not privy to all goings on I felt his removal summed up scottish football. He must have had something about him as assistant at napoli juventus chelsea and Italy as well as others. There's no way he'd have been in those jobs without being good at coaching. However kirk broadfoot kris boyd etc said he was hopeless and that was it really for him. The dressing room didn't want to change and we're happy to accept the status quo. No team in Scotland will ever break the monopoly with the way we accept and the way we all play. I totally accept finances are the overpowering reason but how do bodo glimt hammer our champions elect as well as roma for instance on a turnover of $6 million dollars? They are obviously doing something different. Allesio was trying something different and I have no idea if it would have worked but I'm sure he knows a wee bit more about football than broadfoot and boyd. Look what's happened to them since also

When I first saw Considine released I thought yes definitely but then saw he's 35 and he's been out all year which put me off a bit. Might come back and give a gd couple of years to someone or even more . He's certainly better than Lamie .

Yes gallagher definitely I must have wiped him from my mind somehow. He was great 1st year. The rest that you quote I'd say very similar with pros and cons similar to lamie. In regards replacements who I can think of at spfl level is devlin at Aberdeen is released and he was in Scotland squad not that long ago. Iacovitti at County looks good anytime against us. The livi 2 at back again not bad. I think st johnstones Gordon and mcart are looking for better than us maybe. I thought last year the likes of Charlie mulgrew would have been brilliant and someone like him been down in England and played at top level wanting back home is what I'd want but can't think of anyone off top of my head the now

Yep I agree with you. He was a big boy and I felt we needed mugabi to be up against him but we had no one to go to right back I felt sol and lamie tried to compete physically with him when he was 3 or 3 inches bigger and at least a stone heavier with gd feet. They haven't faced someone like him before in league so I'd hope if facing him next season they have learned that maybe just don't compete but try and nick it off him. He wasn't only one that livi players got better off easily. Forrest and Bailey were running riot wide and inside forward area and holt pitman and kelly were dominating our midfield easily giving them a lesson. Ohara came on at half time and helped that by getting closer to holt. All in I'd keep lamie if possible he's gd enough for 1st team and I believe he's a gd pro although yes I'd like better but other than mcmanus/kipre over last number of years I'm struggling to think of others who were miles better.

Just read through the thread and by God we have some funny folk on here. If that yesterday wasnt entertainment at football what is? The celebrations from all at end was brilliant. Livi were miles better 1st half but start of 2nd ohara won a couple of balls shields couple of runs and some chances and I thought we are back in this then their 2nd killed us. Well done young team keeping their singing going after 2 down as I've no doubt this encouragement was a factor in what was a great exciting last 20 from us. As you can guess I really enjoyed yesterday . 5 big games ahead and a wee mini league of 3 with united and County where top 2 can get europe likely is certainly more exciting than boring nothing games in bottom 6.

Thanks for info. I honestly couldn't remember that.