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2 bad goals to give away which affects game. 1st I would say aitchison who was our lw should have been following wright as he was their rwb in 352. Goss was in middle of park as centre mid so in position. 2nd I felt cornelius was wrong side of hallberg meaning mcginn had to try and intercept which he didn't at this point cornelius should have covered mcginn position which he didn't resulting in halberd 1 v 1 with kelly. The team on pitch at end will if played definitely get relegated. We need to hope van veen comes out his huff . Obika can produce and maybe mandron back in few weeks cos all others just do not look capable of scoring at all. Aitchison and danzaki we need to hope are just 1st night nerves but I'm not sure. Our midfield sitters if you like of any 2 from cornelius slattery and goss will struggle against most in league. Our defense is just damn right poor. Scunnered!

Great Post Joe . Hope the new signings give boost to players and fans alike.

Again maybe some truth in that but if you act like said primary school girl and blame it on a footballer then I'm sure your life will be ....... certainly different from mine and majority of people

Understand that view smiddy but some shouts and views from our fans do the same

Bit of truth in what you say I agree. The players on other hand need the fans to be same and not for some to act like whining little primary school girls .

Whether he's good or not remains to be seen but the signing is certainly a bit more exciting than others . Might also put to bed that hammel has "no contacts" in the game to get decent players that some have suggested on here. He had 20 years as a professional and I'm sure he knows loads who are now still in the game. I read postecoglu helped with this and I'd imagine maybe macdonald and mcgarry in Australia gave some insight also. If that's a league that we might focus on now then we he has some good contacts.

Yesterday was how I expected game to go and if was last year we would all be singing their praises. A few moaning again about same players and some of those players had big involvements in goals and cleared their main chance from corner over bar and also matched up to arbroath tackles yes there was no outstanding performances (blaney and johnstone gave ball away also and out of position) but considering our low confidence and importance of game we were well worthy of our win. We never looked in trouble although our midfield were caught on ball and put a few passes astray I would imagine the pitch played a big part on this. A few other chances for mandron,mckinstry,van veen,spittal possible penalty from their goalkeeper that collum played advantage (why) and you can see we were deserved winners. A concern was I noticed at end van veen was 1st down tunnel and I dont know if he clapped fans or not. He has also changed his profile picture on twitter from what used to be him in Well strip to just him. Might be nothing in it but Hammells interview after game seemed to suggest he was dropped/rested and not injured. I hope he is not away in huff as we all know his quality and when he came on he created and looked dangerous. Him mckinstry and mandron could provide a good threat upfront. Looking forward to draw and drumchapel or Elgin at home for me hopefully or failling that any other lower league team.

Yes hes always played cb to my knowledge but hes left sided and a 6,3 left back would be good. Players get pigeonholed for a position far too easily imo. They are professional players so obviously have a high level of ability and that sometimes just needs some wee tweaks to perform in a role more suited to help them progress in their careers as well as their respective teams. Loads of examples over years. If not then SOD simply has to come in. A recent 25 cap scotland international should have a major role within our team but for whatever reason he does not. I hope that gets sorted out as a matter of priority.

That's my view as well. To compare Campbell with Cornelius is not right. Some say Cornelius hasn't had chance but the question I ask is why hasn't he had chance? I sometimes pop up to watch training at Dalzell if I'm up that way and anytime I see a game at training slattery and goss really stand out. I know training is different but I'm certain hammell is well aware of Cornelius attributes and I'd imagine maybe even has a soft spot for him due to coming through academy but just doesn't see him as 1st team regular. Time will tell if he can kick on but he's 22 soon so next couple of years are huge for him. He loves club and for that reason alone he deserves more patience than others

Now that would be fantastic.

Most would think that due to the players in squad. However likes of them hibs.hearts have been relegated in recent past with same types of players. Those 3 have bigger fanbases and expect them to be up top and when not happening the grief they give players is even more than ours get at fir park. Hibs next week we will hopefully see their fans being toxic as fck towards their players and them being in the relegation fight as well

Didn't think yesterday was as bad as the consensus on here suggests. Lamie and Sol I felt were in control. Goss and Slattery were doing OK and van veen if less greedy and bit luckier could have won it for us. Now some of the above might be down to Livi not having nouble. Holt or pitman available but even so we were the better team imo. What will be consensus if we win next 2 games plus progress in scottish cup? All very achievable in my view. It will not mean Hammell has fixed everything but it will certainly quell the negativity. We need to support the team and our manager and remember all this talk of an experienced manager will grind it out etc and think of Tommy Wright who a lot on here were wanting previously.

Neither am I. We can only hope for a huge slice of luck

We as a team were summed up when after going 2 goals up the ref had a word with Kelly about wasting time. We were well on top and killie i thought looked the worst team to come to fir park all season. When they went to 10 men all we had to do was pass the ball around for a wee while between our defenders and goalkeeper as they only had 1 up front. 5 v 1 is quite easy to do but we actually just lost all confidence and played long balls and made pitch smaller. We should have been coming home last night on minimum 3-0 victory all in good spirits as we were miles the better team up to sending off. Players confidence is shot to bits and only 1 game back. We badly need a couple of new gd players in January that can lift us. The whole atmosphere at club just now with the arrests of some of young team and bad results and performances doesn't make for much positivity . It can all change quickly of course but hard to see where from

But we are supporting it through schools. That's the whole point. Just not enough schools. Every player nearly who's been in our 1st team from academy in recent years has come through braidhurst. Other than turnbull and maybe some others I don't know so it's proven it works. If you look at most scotland underage squads now majority say jd performance next to their name. It's not outdated it's happening now.

And that is a problem in itself. The clubs are only interested in themselves and the ratio of them producing players is imo low and the way the majority get treated is poor. A boy at 12 getting told he can't play with his pals is a ridiculous suggestion and boys and parents agree to it because they think they have too. Very few players now make it that haven't played pro youth and or been in performance schools so what I'm saying is let's have every school try and replicate what a performance school does. I'm also sure for family life that getting training and coaching and playing every day at your local school is more beneficial than travelling round trip 2 or 3 hours 3 or 4 times a week. There are loads of good players being missed or falling out of love with game at high school age due to lack of opportunities but as stated earlier in thread the number of scots in our top teams is ridiculously low so the chance for young Scots to fill those positions are there.

Schools have to be where its concentrate as everyone goes to school so the pool of players is 100% of population. The kudos for a school would be huge if they were doing well and this can be seen with braidhurst which regularly is bottom of league tables for academic results but wins a lot of football trophy and so the school has a huge sense of pride. I don't know what a coach at a performance school is on but I'd imagine maybe 20 to 25k so 300 schools with 1 coach full time is 6 to 7.5 Mill a year. A huge outlay but £1.50 roughly for every person in Scotland doesn't sound much to me for the benefits it would bring. I know the figures would not be as straightforward as that but as a ballpark figure maybe not too far away. I'm likely living in dreamland however unfortunately.

I totally agree with you on this Ya bezzer and I read a thread at weekend that highlighted the amount of scottish players playing in spfl and also now our championship and the figures were horrendous. I whinge about our lack of scots in team but we were top of pile nearly with an average of 5 players a game starting along with another 4 teams. Then another 4 with 4ish each and glasgow 2 and aberdeen with 2ish each a game. That is a downright disgrace in my eyes and highlights maybe a lack of talent within Scotland but certainly a thought process with management that lower level english players are better which is of course not usually the case as we have seen. The catastrophic state of youth development as you state is again a huge topic and again I would agree with you having been involved and seeing it through my own eyes. I do honestly feel it is simple to improve by getting more participation in schools. It is no coincidence that most of our recent successes within national team (patterson,gilmour,hickey etc ) went to performance schools and so were playing football everyday of their lives growing up at their school. Boys do not play up the park like they did 20/30/40 years ago and for a lot the only football they play is organised at boys clubs with their mums and dads watching on and in a lot of cases shouting and screaming at them. Some boys cant play because of costs involved some drop out because the coach favours their own or their pals own etc etc and they only play /train for a few hours a week. If every school had a dedicated coach for all the school teams in the country (roughly 300 schools) and was implementing similar to what goes on at performance schools then it seems quite simple that we would have a bigger pool of players in this country that would filter into every level of football. Football whether us older ones like to admit or not does not have the same pull as years gone by so I feel that we need to encourage it more and we have a captive audience at schools so this is way to go. The joy that football can bring to a country is unrivalled as can be seen with the scenes from Argentina in last day and the performance schools and rangers and celtic in effect having their own schools helps but there is so much more we can do

I didn't mean kicking them rather how it seemed their players were desperate to impress their manager and ours weren't. Your 2nd point is maybe a wee bit out as I'm sure none on here would describe any of those spurs players world class. Yes good players who cost more and earn more individually than our whole team as others have said but they are average epl at best. If as you say we are lucky to get the opportunity I'm glad to say the australia players at world cup didn't feel that way against real world class. Those boys which was near enough an spl asl select showed what can be done with good organisation and spirit. Yes huge difference from a world cup and a meaningless friendly but all players have huge pride in their ability and want to show it off and yesterday I never saw anything in what is likely our last game before league starts. I hope to be corrected on Saturday.

Bloody hell that game was embarrassing as is hammells interview Highlights how far we are behind top epl teams and their reserves. This was a friendly but I'd imagine any Well player of any substance would have looked upon it as a game v a top English team and seen it as an opportunity. Alas our players were too scared to go near them. I watched from 30 mins on and watched their midfielder Skipp rattle 3 of ours but we never committed 1 foul between 30 and 65 mins. We think they are a different breed and are scared to tackle them incase they complain. Scunnered with that today and some will come on and say we can't compete with them which is their right I just don't get lack of application. Rab Shannon jamie Dolan Jim Griffin Dougie arnott etc all average scottish journeymen would not have accepted that today . Felt like this after sligo and honestly struggling seeing any positives in our team before next week.

I'm with you on this and although it's part of the game there's too much made of it up here especially. If they could keep ball better we'd be miles better off. I'm reading on here dean cornelius has best stats for fitness and last year I read in daily record that barry maguire had broke allan campbells beep test record all of which shows it doesn't guarantee you will be a good midfield player. Give me a jan molby any day of week lol

Watching st mirren game and ohara captain for them. He's looked gd in every game I've seen him for them and imo was a mistake letting him go. Better than everyone of our midfield.

Burrows is very social media savvy and if he had to start the ball rolling and others got on board the media would be all over it as its a big story. Maybe in hope more than expectation but why cant all us other teams work together against them as although they both claim to hate each other they work together to ensure their stranglehold continues against all the rest.

My thoughts exactly spider. Cannot believe what I am reading this morning. They are unbelievable and what annoys me more is us and the rest being so quiet. They put on some face making out they are always being disadvantaged by someone . This last week has got to me more than it should but honestly sick of it and see why people get fed up and stop going.