Spiderpig

You really do believe the shite you post don't you, constant trolling on an online forum you really need to have a good look at yourself 🤦‍♂️

That's not true is it, was it not £300k a year for 3 years then £350K a year for another 3 years, so £1.95 million in total,. Must be some size of a house in Fir park St

No we don't but people need to realise that any other deal from any other investor will be fundamentally the same. "The club needs investment I have the cash to invest, so here's what it will cost for that investment " deal or no deal. As I said earlier if we really want to embrace true fan ownership then the WS needs to be made fit for purpose, come up with its own plan and as Santheman said a few posts ago, tell the members to prepare to dig deep financially to make it happen. As bucket collections etc won't cut it.

Do you really believe Barmack is going to do a deal with the WS directly on the premis that he puts in a significant amount of cash but he's never going to be in Control, no guarantee of a return etc, that's fantasy its never going to happen with him or any other investor.

Correct, there is a cost attached to everything, however is the Motherwell fan base large enough to realise that goal.

As much as I think the Barmack offer is a bad deal, sooner or later people need to wake up to the reality that further investment comes at a cost. We're never going to attract a multi millionaire who will offer us a million a year no strings attached and say spend it wisely and let me know how you get on. The Barmack's of this world want a return on their cash, ie control of the club and it's assets that's their guarantee, so if this offer is rejected we will be having this debate with the next Barmack etc. The main issue we have is the WS, nobody is going to invest money and not have full control of the club, they don't want to be annoyed by the WS. So for me the only way I can see is for the WS to come up with their own plan to provide additional investment and for them to start controlling the club as they should be as majority shareholders. But that said in its current format I have no confidence in that happening, it needs proper professional people onboard, not the enthusiastic volunteers it has now. We are paying the price now for a WS badly set up and implemented at the start.

Given the shambles that the WS seems to have been in, I would not worry about it, it will be this time next year before the applications are processed.

Why not, if you're a member you get a vote, what's your problem with that approach 🤔

No game time for the Bair, Canada beaten 2-0 by Argentina.

They should never have been on both the WS and the Executive boards together that seems like a major conflict of interest to me. Or they were on the WS board to ensure it stayed in line, either way the whole set up is not conducive to effective and proper governance.

Therein lies the problem, it seems obvious to me that the current board want out and want their cash out as well. So it's no surprise they are all for accepting Barmacks offer. Get the deal approved and then quietly sell their shares to Barmack job done, for me their commitment to preserve fan ownership is about as likely as Scotland winning the Euros. So don't hold your breath waiting for them to reject the deal.

Are you worried he's copying your approach then, he's far too sensible for that.

Good move for him, he was never really up to premiership standard, had a decent turn of pace but not much else.

People need to wake up to reality it's probably the only market we can afford. That said it gives the usual suspects who think every player we sign is shite an early season boost of trolling and negative posting its their pre season.

That is exactly what will happen until he has 51% and complete control, and at that point the concept of fan ownership will cease and the millions contributed by WS members will have been for nothing. That's the time I fear for the clubs future as it's not guaranteed under Barmack or this offer.

That's the problem though, drawing lines, is the attacker's shoulder or big toe offside, going back 5 or 6 passes in case there was an issue it's nonsense. We need to get back to basics ie is there daylight between the attacker and defender that's proper offside. Then we can leave it to the linesman to decide and berate them instead. Sometimes technology does not improve things and VAR is an example of that, it's ruining the game.

It's still a complete shambles ruining the game, Ronaldo's shoulder was millimeters in front of the defender, that's not offside ffs, and also not a clear and obvious error. They are now actively looking for excuses not to award a goal, it's a shambles and needs binned.

Sorry but thats pish, If the club gets a loan, then it's an additional income stream onto the total income for that financial year, no different to say selling a player or signing a sponsorship deal etc, so in this case the total income will have increased by £3 million. As it will no doubt be repaid in installments, those payments will then show as expenditure on subsequent accounts until the loan is repayed. So the club was being accurate in counting the loan in the total income figure against the total expenditure and hence calculate a profit or loss accordingly

For me I think Oxborough should get his chance, he probably should have had a run in the team last season when Kelly's form dropped so he deserves a run to show us what he can offer.

Why not, fan ownership means the fans, aka "the owners" should have a voice. Not some amateur volunteers who seem to have anonymous and ineffective since the WS was formed. The WS members are committing millions to the club, so there should be proper and accountable governance of how that money is used. Then the WS would be a properly run fan group and not the shambles it seems to have been up till fairly recently.

While that may be the case re the rules and ok for the every day trivial stuff, on a decision as major issue this the the WS members need to be consulted, and cannot be left to a random collection of volunteers elected to the WS board. The members are contributing millions in cash so they should have their say.

No the insinuation was that they've made no secret that they want out, so sell their shares now or later it makes no difference they get their cash and no further responsibility as if this shit deal goes through Barmack will have full control.

The board want away with their cash ASAP, the hard details are of no interest to them as it will no longer be their problem. I get the impression none of them gives a feck what could potentially happen to the club.

It seems we can expect more new players incoming soon. Kettlewell expects signing announcements - https://www.bbc.com/sport/articles/cekk5jgm44do

As a life long supporter of the club and a non member of the WS I can only say that from the details we have so far this investment deal looks like a crock of shit. A few points seem obvious 1. The governance of the WS from its formation until recently has been an ineffective shambles, taking in millions from the fans with no proper control on where or how that money was spent. 2. The existing club board have used the Fans/ WS as a piggy bank to raid whenever they wanted and the WS were compliant in allowing them to do so. Now they are desperate to get their cash out and walk away. 3. The deal they are so keen to endorse is basically selling the club to Barmack at a knock down price and at the same time fundamentally rendering the WS useless by taking their cash to reduce their own shareholding ffs, but they won't give a toss as they will have their cash and dissappear into the sunset. 4. So after the dust settles Barmack will quietly buy up the private share holdings to gain majority control without any prospect of interference from the WS which means the millions contributed by the members will have all been for nothing. 5. The club will then be in the hands of someone with no great love of football other than seeing a profit from selling it on when he inevitably gets bored. The club really needs to tell these investors to GTF and get it's own house in order first with proper and effective governance for the WS and the club board and then an only then can suitable investment be sought when there are effective safeguards in place to protect the club and its fans, especially the subscribing WS members.