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Based on the shite this season it's an empty fuckin glass.

Yeah he did based on one game for Sligo Rovers against us. Who signed him isn't the point.

The United fans have been giving Moult a hard time , they ain't impressed.

Does he mean that Livi team who've beaten us already this season. Having watched Livingston against Aberdeen I'm not so sure they are worse that us. We won't beat them on Saturday. They have an horrendous record at Fir Park and that will change on Saturday , Kettlewell will be sacked , we will recruit in January without a new manager and we will still be relegated. ..... Anyone bet against that scenario.

I certainly expect them to make it difficult for them to score not gift wrap the fuckin goals for them.

Blaney is our 21 century equivalent of Alan Mackin, sign a cunt on the strength off one game against us.

No amount of coaching will change these players that's the problem. They just aren't good enough. Yeah sure change manager but we are stil left with players who struggle to do the basics.

Him and Spencer were horrific the rest were just shite. The quicker Mugabi gets to fuck the better.

Dundee Utd fans having a right go at Moult, Grimshaw and Watt tonight. Feel sorry for Moult but delighted for that cunt Watt.

I know it's not acceptable to say it but I don't care, women's footballs is pish. The goalkeeping is an utter embarrassment and undoes any slight good the outfield player have. I wouldn't waste any precious funds on a woman's team.

This is actually part of the problem our Comms is fucking shite. When the announcement was made yesterday surely to Christ they could have seen that fan and media speculation would go into overdrive. Why the fuck could that not have been incorporated in yesterday's statement.

And we probably all know them by face particularly if you go to away games. I see some faces that I've seen at away games for 45 years , don't know them , never spoken to them but they are always there. Just wish we had another 3000 of them.

Sadly that's true and they'd be the ones screaming the loudest if the club went tits up.

They certainly do and to say otherwise ignores the facts. I'm not saying the difference is huge but they will always have higher attendances over a season than us.

See my amendment to my original reply.

Can you provide a link to that... St Mirren average attendance is 6331 our is 5509 and we give greater access to OF fans at home games.

Oh I think we are.... Why else do we need " significant investment" and a "fund raising initiative" not my words the club's.

If our financial model is so good why are we desperately seeking outside financial input. Even St Mirren whose have a similar fan model and have actually had a real kick in from fans taking their average gate to 6500 are strapped for cash. The fan model may work to a degree but long term it goes nowhere unless the fan base who own the club increases or are willing to put more money in. The fact we have 3700 society members is frankly pathetic. That won't sustain a full time SPFL club in the long term. Sure it is sustainable if we sella player for a million quid every season of we regularly get to cup finals but that's more of a hope and a prayer than realistic eventualities.

Not if our income streams remains static from the fans whilst everyone else in the league has rich benefactors who plough increasing money in each season. Rangers, Celtic, Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen, Kilmarnock and Dundee all have supports that are bigger than ours. All have wealthy owners to supplement their bigger crowds. Even St Mirren have managed to increase their support beyond what we can achieve. That leaves Ross County, Livingstone and St Johnstone for us to compete against financially. Again RC and St Johnstone have wealthy owners supplementing their gate money. That leaves us and Livingston without wealthy owners Bank rolling the club and Livingston have just had the club taken over, whether that results in extra resources time will tell. We are an outlier in terms of financial resources as things stand and that can only get worse under the current fan model we have.

Maybe a bit overly pessimistic right now. However the fan ownership model for us will ultimately end up in relegation whether that's this season or 5 seasons from now. You cannot sustain top level football on an almost static income stream from the fans.

I've read a few Motherwell fans comments on social media who seem to read this announcement as new funding being announced. That's not how I read it . The statement says "The final stages of a fund-raising initiative are almost complete and will be ready to be shared early in the new year." That's isn't the same as funding ready to come in , initiative means : the ability to assess and initiate things independently, the power of opportunity to act or to take charge. I think those Motherwell fans thinking this is a new announcement of new cash / investment will be sadly disappointed. To me it merely points to change in how we do things including looking for outside investment - which I don't think is sitting waiting in the wings. I may be wrong but it concerns me a bit more than it does for others. That said I've never been a fan of the fan ownership and I say that as a society member. It has a limited scope when you have 4000 fans in good times or bad. If the model was so good , all the diddly clubs in the SPFL would do it. It's fine if you are Hearts with the kind of fan base they have. Patrick Thistle operate a similar model to us and of a similar size club and they are stoney broke. They have fund raisers to pay players wages. Concerning times, well for me anyway.

I know I'm a natural pessimist but I find this all very worrying. I've never thought the Fan ownership model would take us anywhere. We have far too many folk heavy on criticism but light on support for the Society. I seriously can't see anyone queing up to take on a club where the support is so piss poor and the rising costs of running a club in the top division. Somehow I don't see a "welcome to Wrexham" model waiting in the Wings.

No , we will get horsed why break the 21 year habit.

Off topic but just watched the Highlights of Dundee Utd v Raith Rovers on twitter feed from RR. What a winning goal that was. Great to see Gallagher face up his arse and Watt can't even get into their starting 11. Two if the biggest cunts in football.

Exactly questionable timing , had fuck all to say when they won their last two. Just sour grapes.