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It wasn't a tough call for me. His priority was different to what it would have been for me. The Domestic Cups should ALWAYS be the priority, I know others think differently.

correct , for me the League Cup was a huge error by the manager

we weren't as bad as everyone makes out yesterday, we were alot worse against Aberdeen

Agreed

I agree with a lot of that but Maswanhise and RCC need to be benched that is all they are good for right now. We also need to get SOD back in the team. We need to give Eythor a run , he rumbled Dundee up more in 8 mins than the rest of the team did in 80 mins.

Too early to be really worrying. My big fear , and I see and feel it building already, is the fans reaction.. We have had a great upturn in home crowds crowds and home games have bee a pleasure to go to for nearly a year. Ive a feeling this reaction will grow in the stands and our crowds start to fall and those who remain are easily hostile. This will benefit no one. A home win against Celtic although highly unlikely could help stem that.

again I'm not sure Id put the Dundee game into the bad game category as the Aberdeen and to a lesser extent the Rangers game. Sure it was a hard loss and it being the 3rd on the trot I think it altered the perception of how we actually played. Had we gone up there unbeaten and got a point I don't think people would have said we were pish yesterday. Sure there were things we could have done better, esp in the final 3rd, but Dundee wouldn't have beat us if we hadn't beat ourselves. Dundee were very lucky to get that win.

I get that 100% mate , last year was probably once in a lifetime stuff for us and it will be hard for everyone to adjust to what will be or new norm ... sadly

and that is fine and that is your opinion based on how you see it. I don't agree 100% . I don't the the manager is taking us further away each week. We played well at Easter Road against a poor Hibs Team and strolled the game against Dundee Utd because they had 10 men . I think our performances have been much of a muchness. I just don't think we are as good as last season and we wont be because we've lost better players than we've recruited. I don't subscribe to the notion we've been garbage and getting worse. I think we are inconsistent during games but the one consistent thing is we have is fuck all threat up front and the manager is not being more adventurous in his team selections and we've lost two game by literally putting the ball in the net for the opposition.

Couldn't agree more.

I could happily live without pointless speculation when things are going against us because pointless speculation becomes corrosive rumour that gets built into something based on absolutely nothing. There is plenty from the facts we can all discuss.

No point looking at European games they will never mean bugger all because we will either play team below our level or way above. The only stats that count are 1 x LC = Lost (shocking and frankly should never have been allowed to happen and 100% on managers shoulders ) 7 x League = Won 2 , Drawn 2 , Lost 3 ... = 8 points but for 2 absolute gifts from the goalkeeper, which no manager would have prevented it would be 7 x League = Won 2 , Drawn 4, Lost 1 ... To read and listen to some of the stuff you'd think we've been outplayed every game we've played. 7 Games last season read 7 x League = Won 1 , Drawn 5 , Lost 1 = 8 Points (and just to calm things down before the onslaught in two weeks time we lost at home to Falkirk in the 8th game) 😁🤣 Performance are not as good as last season and they wont be cos we've lost too many really good players. If you are going to judge us by that benchmark you are permanently going to be disappointed.

I disagree asking questions if the manager has lost the dressing room or do players not respect him cos he's never played the game after 7 games is crazy, that is not fair criticisms, that's pure and utter baseless speculation.

Yes but has he used the squad to its full extent? He has a squad that he can mix up a bit and needs to start doing it. I do think we have persevered with Maswanhise to protect his saleability for January but he is nowhere near good enough to keep being an automatic first choice , same for RCC (although he is now rightly on the bench) . He needs to try some different picks / formations cos 2 or 3 others either cant do what we need or just ain't up to speed with it yet.

As some of you may know I'm one of the biggest pessimists on the planet when it comes to Motherwell. I've had 55 years of primarily bone crushing disappoint and yes there are some issues. However all but for two absolutely honking goalkeeping errors, which no manager can legislate for , not even Pep Guardiola , we'd have had a point at Ibrox and Dundee. So as much as our form has dipped Id argue had we got a point from both those games, which goalkeeping howlers apart, we'd have got and were sitting 4th on 10 points everyone would be a lot calmer. We are in danger of over analyzing everything and seeing or creating stories that have ZERO basis of fact. For fuck sake everyone take a deep breath and calm down. Having watched us for 55 years I know when to start panicking and 7 games in isn't it.

I still stand by that I don't think our standard is particularly poor in large parts of then game, however it comes to fuck all because 1. We have fuck all up front. Maswanhise is a waste of a Jersey right now and RCC aint much better. 2. We play the press far too slowly allowing teams to counter our movement 3. The engine in the midfield is under powered so far , we need Priestman back or those in position to up their standard and pace of play. 4. We are gifting some comical goals right now, not through anything other than our own bad judgement. These 4 issues do not require a full fundemental reset, which Id be more worried about.

Teams can stifle us because we are too slow to move the ball forward. Look at the difference between the first and second half yesterday. Second half we played with more pace , still not pacy as last year but better than the first half. The improved pace in the second half got us into good positions whereas in the first half being slow and pedestrian allowed Dundee to settle and stifle us. Hodge , for me, slows the game down too often and wants a second touch and is often unaware of options around him. However all that said our efforts in the final third were utter shite until we got Ethyor on.

Just sent a txt to my mate saying the same. Celtic are pish but sadly we are facing them at the wrong time....

Had the keeper not basically thrown the ball into the net for Dundee's second the worst we were getting yesterday was a point against a team everyone has been saying are excellent. Sure there were issues with our set up and team selection but the only way a good Dundee team were beating us was if we shot ourselves in the foot and we duly obliged. Said it yesterday I don't think we were as bad as everyone was making out. We should have had a penalty and dare I say had we waltzed away with a draw the reaction would be more muted. I'm as frustrated as everyone but we have a squad that should allow refresh changes , particularly up front , the manager needs to start doing it. Dundee got lucky, we won the game for them. We made them look very ordinary whilst not playing anything like we have in the past. Right now I don't think we are a million miles away from better outcomes. Will we be as good as last season? definitely not we don't have the players for that yet. We are a good way away from thinking about the managers position. Christ everyone and their granny had Steven Pressley for the high jump for most of last season.

Likewise , as you show we have options especially in the final 3rd its time to try them. Keep playing Maswanhise to try and keep his value up is killing us.

You might be right you may be wrong.... only time will tell , so would advocate sacking him now ?

We all want to see the same thing and being proved wrong about Motherwell is very often a real bonus.

who knows don't know enough about him to know what kind of character he is behind the scenes. However time will tell and if he is as you suggest he wont be long in being found out. However we are a good distance away from that judgement call right now. Anyway away to watch our old manager see if the pressure is still building on him in his game tonight.

I agree there were a number of negatives but it wasn't as bad as some are making out, well in my mind anyway. We made two mistakes and got punished. The final 3rd I totally agree we were very very ineffective today, but time has to be called on Maswanhise and RCC , suitable for the subs bench only.

I get the impression he's been trying not upset the apple cart from JBA team, for those that are still with us and frankly we don't have the same players to play it exactly the same. I think he now has to step up and be his own man and put a rocket up the arse of some who look to be coasting.