FirParkCornerExile

Exactly his stock and that of the players ae sky high, that is why they will be taken from us. Any notion that we can hold on to players playing as they are and the manager are fanciful. At the very most JBA will be with us one more season. The only way he wouldn't leave in year two would be if we were pish at which point interest in his would drop.

Because as much as Tommy McLeans achievement was outstanding fort much of his 10 year spell were were poor relegation / bottom half fodder. It was only in the later part of his rein that the team turned into anything. special. Therefore for much of his 10 years no one was desperate to get him as their manager nor sign most of our players. The minute he did achieve he moved on and the team was broken up. Tommy McLean completely endorses my point. Tommy McLeans Team positions from 82/83 82/83 8th 83/84 10th Relegated 84/85 Relegated in 1st Division 85/86 9th 86/87 8th 87/88 8th 88/89 9th 89/90 6th 90/91 6th 91/92 10th 92/93 9th 93/94 3rd Tommy McLean left for Hearts June 1994

No other result other than a defeat is coming in this game.

You are being ultra optimistic. Clubs like us are rarely allowed to maintain success because the minute we are successful our players and managers are taken from us so just like every other season we will be faced with a rebuild. So any notion that we will build upon success year after year if quite frankly unlikely for a club of our size. The ambitions are laudable but the chances of it building into a trophy wining team are remote.

success in terms of silverware will always be a longshot because as soon as clubs like us get success the manager and players ae taken from us. That is why its so infuriating when we fuck up when a tournament opens up for us. Rangers and Celtic will never both be as bad in the same season for many years to come. So therefore Id bite your hand off for just one more success before I die and if that trade off if eye bleeding shite for a season I'd take it. That is not to say I don't support and enjoy what were are doing . The question of "what would you take .a great season or relegation and a cup win.." was always a hypothetical , its never an offer that will ever be presented to us.

Yeah but the damage has been undone , Silverware is permanent form and status are fluid.

We need to be up for it to keep Hibs at bay. They play Livingston while we play Celtic so we are realistically going into a head to head with Hibs with only 4 points between us.

Ive never been in the camp that we could win the league , you just needed to look at our remaining fixtures before today and we' realistically needed to win 9 of our remaining 10 games. That meant winning at Celtic Park, Tynecastle , Ibrox , Easter Road and Celtic and Hearts at Fir Park , In no world was that EVER going to happen.

as I said a view that suggests any team that doesn't win deserves to lose and I just don't accept that. We will just need to agree to differ.

So by that theory every game you don't win you deserve to lose? don't agree. Dundee didn't deserve to win today.

Silverware is permanent , form and league status are transient.

We were a bit off it today but fort the life of me I cant believe folk saying Dundee deserved to win. They had two efforts on goal and scored with both. One being an absolute gift. By any measure of all statistics today we didnt deserve to lose even as below par as we were.

Correct it wont change , just a pipe dream. I don't do quirky 😆I prefer symmetrical stadiums that don't look like they have a different style stand for each day of the week, like Fir Park and Pittodrie.

For me Its an eyesore and completely out of sync with the rest of the ground. Same as Pittodrie's beach end. If we are going to develop the ground lets make it look like a decent venue.

Good update from Kyrk Macmillan. If I had free reign and limitless money to upgrade Fir Park, I'd fill in the corners , remove the top tier of that South Stand Monstrosity, New Main Stand and new roof on the East Stand. The filled corners could compensate for the loss of the top tier of the South Stand

Motherwell are a business, its not their responsibility to ensure local pubs remain profitable and stay open. Motherwell need to look after their own finances. I take the point on transport.

We should be incorporating better bars into any new stadium so folk don't need to walk from a pub and not putting that valuable money into the club. Anything has got to be better than the piss poor Cooper Bar that currently operates a one in one out policy if you don't arrive 2 hours before kick off.

Just looked at the Dundee ticket sales for the away end, it's looking good, think this will be an impressive away support. For anyone who hasn't been in a while beware the peaking restrictions. https://share.google/JbPt9BoP15hhagOEc

I agree Fir Park is a money pit and anything that lessens the money we have to pay for ground maintenance is welcome , as is the chance to have very good corporate facilities and avenues for raising more money 7 days a week, something for which Fir Park seems limited.

of the new builds , for smaller clubs in Scotland, Falkirks is probably the best but with the obvious down side of only three stands and open corners but the viewing positions are excellent.

Id take Falkirk's Stadium , obviously with 4 stands and the corners filled in. You would get a great atmosphere in such a ground but the costs would likely be prohibitive. Falkirk's feasibility study for a 4th stand similar to the other stands revealed cost in the region of £6 million, so a full stadium you are easily looking at £20/£25 million and we just cant finance that, sadly.... or could we? the sale of Fir Park for housing would realise no more than £3 million at current commercial valuations. We'd really need to get the £20/£25 million down to the region of £10/£15 million to make commercial financing over 30 years potentially viable, but the Revenue streams would need to increase to pay the near £1 million a year financing costs. Had we built a new ground 25 years ago the cost would probably have been in the region of £8/£10 million , expensive for the time but the great thing about inflation is the initial cost becomes smaller relative to income going forward. So perhaps £25 million now wouldn't look so bad in 15 years when a bog standard player will be selling for £3 million. Speculate to accumulate can be a real success but can also be a real disaster. New builds Id hate, from Scotland - nearly all of them - but particular hate for St Mirren Park McDiarmid Park New Douglas Park New Ones I could live with Doncaster Keepmoat Stadium Falkirk Stadium with filled in Corners - and 4 stands Rotheram United - New York Stadium Mind you all pie in the sky for the time being.

A new roof on the East Stand and rebuild of the Main Stain should be within financial limitations of the club. Last I read somewhere upgrading the Main Stand would be circa £2million a complete rebuild £5 million. Ayr Utd built a new stand with excellent corporate suites / Function Suite for £3 Million. However only 800 seats. Unless substantial outside investment is available a new ground would be very difficult to realise.

Aberdeen couldnae beat a carpet they are brutal. Only chance they have against Celtic is if Celtic have a man sent off.

I read a remarkable stat which I still find hard to believe. Dundee Utd have only won twice at Fir Park in 11 years. Can't be right??

Everyone asking why Maswanhise is holding his bawz, what the clarity of the pictures don't show is where the defenders hand ended up once the elbow was put into Maswanhise ribs its quite possible his hand did catch his nuts. It was a penalty United are just in full deflection mode.