wellsince75

To be fair we’re a million miles of where we started this season never mind comparing to last . that I think is the more concerning factor - the further we go with the so mentioned ‘transition period’ the worse we become . I don’t believe there’s an exe to grind about who the manager is - he was very warmly received - what many of us don’t like is the loss of identifiable game plan . we need to see significantly better performances

Spot on - whilst perhaps not the perfect player he offered a lot more than ive seen from others and like are have said is physical - given how weak we’ve been in midfield it was an odd decision . Particularly given priestmans known injury

We all see the game differently. For me Celtic had 25 shots, 15 on target v's our 2 shots. If they won 4-0 today I'd have had no grumbles.

It’s a transitional period which we’d expect signs progress and patches of inconsistency - not linear improvement but nor should it be a consistent decline . we’re getting worse as each week passes . we started well in Europe , played well against Hibs but in my mind it’s not just 4 defeats - since the Dundee Utd game we’ve not played well and continue to regress. most of us expected to see an improvement today - signs of something better - that didn’t happen .

A bit like having AI as a manager- he’s read all the text boooks , understand the theory but doesn’t have the experience of doing the role and suspect doesn’t have the ability to man manage . He seems a decent enough bloke but he’s struggling . Very similar to Hammell in that respect .

To be honest - as much as I don't like what Im seeing, nor rate him and have serious concerns I really can't see us sacking him . It's far too early for that - but we do need something significantly better. I do wonder what some of the guys like Fadinger, Longelo who were around last year think.

if we can put results to the side for a moment and just focus on performances. Good & Acceptable European Games + Hibs, St Mirren, Dundee Utd Poor performances Falkirk, Stenhousemuir, Rangers, Aberdeen, Dundee and Celtic. We are progressively getting worse and to watch todays game without making any tactical or subs until finally 2-0 down. Simply put - it's not enjoyable to watch. I don't see any progression or signs with this team and simpler put - it's a bunch of individuals - there is no team. Unless there's a significant uplift in performances the crowds will revert back to Kettlewell days.

We’re miles off it and took 2-0 , 60 mins and god knows how many chances to change it .

Said most folk in August and yet here we are in October with same rubbish

Vogt is the start point to come off for Said but honestly don’t see it making a huge difference - we just don’t look like a team

Spot on . I’d have Said on for Vogt , SOD right back for sparrow and put knight level on defence midfield for me is a huge concern

Appreciate we’re playing a very decent Celtic team but we don’t look anything like a team . Midfield not offering much Add to that sparrow and Vogt on the right are weak

I agree about Sparrow , given JK is crocked more often than available its calls out a significant gap in that position. There's not many other options unless he Girdwood Riech is moved there and he's not filled many confidence cups recently. Fair play to the manager - Given GR was poor and Maswanhise has been poor for so long he's replaced them and given others a chance. Got to think that big Thor must not be deemed good enough.

I’m with you in that grizzly - had he followed Alexander , Kettlewell etc then we’d prob be happy enough . But Jen’s was incredible and engaging. Not saying all managers will be - but listening to Alfred for 10+ mins was tough . Don’t worry , 3 pts at the weekend and I’ll be signing his praises To be honest I’m just looking for a better team performance

I want to warm to him and don't dislike him . Similar to your earlier post I couldn't and didn't listen to all 14 mins of the pre match. Much could have been covered in a few mins or give me the highlights of the conversation. Partly because the questions aren't great and partly because there wasn't that much content. But without wanting to ripped apart here. - I don't find him that engaging and if I was a player listening every day I don't think I'd he'd fire me up. That doesn't mean he won't do well etc , more of an observation at this stage.

Watching Scotland is a tough gig - until Scottish football adapts or we can pick a full squad from other leagues who play football in modern ways I don’t see us progressing . add to that some players who don’t get a game for their club can’t be the answer We lack quality in several key areas which is a real issue - from keeper to defence to attack there’s gaps . re Lenon , he’s unfortunate to be a midfielder - one of the few areas I think we have some quality but if he progresses his time will come

Must say I’m missing the SPL - to have almost 3 weeks off for this utter tosh is not enjoyable . feels like we crammed in a stupid amount of games , didn’t get a full pre season and then put the breaks on for weeks for a glorified set of friendlies

That’s a very fair point @weeyin and perhaps a high bar for any loanees - ie players we can’t afford but how need a platform . anyways great to see him kicking on.

Watching Welsh push-up the left hand side gave a reminder of what we're missing, he provided a fair amount of support likes of Longelo - perhaps one of the reason Longelo hasn't looked the same player. Delighted to see Welsh get his first cap and appreciated the nod to 'Well for helping him get there.

Completely agree - SOD should have been in the rangers game. same for those who need subbed - people need to know they have to perform or someone else gets the start

Im hopeful that we can sort some of this out. Defence - Tighten up through having .SOD (JK when fit). JKL Moorman Williams - would be stronger than what we've been doing. This is where I'd start and expect immediate improvement. Midfiled - we need Pressman back + I'd recall Whyte. He offered more phsycicality and we're missing this. Wide areas - if we push Longelo, Sparrow up here we have options along side JT,RCC, Vogt. These changes I think would solve a chunk of our problems - be interesting to see if the gaffer mixes things up.

I think you're right that that my disappointment is basing on last season. It's very hard to shake. My initial point was to show it's not just the last 2 -3 games, it's been choppy for the last 8. This season we got off to a very decent start, particularly with the Euro games - I thought we were going to be for another treat but I personally feel we're regressing . BUT you have a very fair comparison to last season and in truth is the core of where Im struggling. It was such a revelation . Even the first 7 games when we'd 8 points I felt we were on the up, only getting better. Some of the draws we were unlucky eg Falkirk and letting Hearts back in the game at Tyncastle. I initially thought we'd brought in some upgrades but I'm not seeing much of that. Ward, Welsh, Watt, Just would all walk straight into the team I think. Moorman and Lowry both been pretty good but that's probably about It for now (albeit some may prove to be very good over time)

Last 8 games won 1 drew 1 lost 6 conceded 17 scored 6 some of those games were tough eg Europe , Ibrox Points aren’t brilliant on those games . performances also mixed bag . Think the majority are aligned that performances need to pick up . Some players need swapping in and out .

Results are important but so are performances . out the gates our performances were very good in Europe. our cup performance was abysmal . our league performances have been mixed - progressively worse . so it’s not 2 bad defeats that concern me - it’s the performance and lack there of . The manager of course needs time and will get it - but we can all see the regression and that’s ok to call it out

Agree re dropping both of them and have them on the bench . For me we lack energy or willingness to take on players and or move at at pace - it’s all quite easy to play against . I also think we have enough depth to be much stronger defence - SOD, knight-level and Williams could all come in. midfield - levit deserves a slot . Priestman will be a welcome return but personally think missing a trick by having Ollie Whyte on loan . He has a bit more physicality about him and I thought looked very decent . forward is tricky - perhaps Thor needs a chance and I’d be happy to see a pick n mix of several others to see how they fair.