Kmcalpin

Just read St Andrews7's update. That is concerning, and underlines that time is of the essence. An interesting option from the Well Society, and I'd like to hear more about that. If fans want to go down that route, they have to take more individual responsibility ie its not my responsibility its the Society's.

One matter that does concern me though is that of the CEO vacancy. Apparently, the selection process is quite far advanced, which is encouraging, but would any candidate want to put pen to paper whilst the ownership/investment issue is hoveriong over the club? A real concern for me.

Firstly, thanks StAndrew7 for the excellent summary. Some very good discussion across on P & B. The issue of club ownership/investment is huge and I don't know if everyone has fully grasped the enormity of that yet. If they haven't they soon will do. As far as I'm concerned, I'm not against a new/owner or partial owner. For me, the devil will be in the detail. We have to guard against a ruthless rogue owner whio would be in it for purely selfish reasons. That said, any new investor owner would want to have a substanital say in the running of the club, or even control. Thats perfectly understandable. Every member of the Society will be entitled to a say and vote on the situation, if it gets that far. So, think about that. I just wonder about the position of the other 2 or 3 groups who haven't progressed their interest quite so far? I think change is inevitable, but it has to be on our terms. To those who advocate no change at all, I'd say "If we get relegated, and it might happen anyway, how would the fanbase react if we were to be stuck in the Championship for a good few years?" Jay sets out the situation in a fair and democratic way on P & B. There is a wide range of possible views and none is right and none is wrong. They reflect our own lives and characters. On a scale of 0 to 10 with 0 being no change and 10 being an open arms welcome to any new investor, I'd place myself at about a 6 or 7. I'm open to new investment but not at any cost. The bottom line though is doing nothing, Asquith style, is not an option. The world is changing; football is changing and there's no time or room for ostrich impersonations.

What's going on with these secret contract extensions? It isn't what was originally communicated.

Some truth in that to be fair. Our loan dealings could have been worse but have not been great and hopefully the club will learn from that. This latest failure, may not send out positive messages to potential employers of Buyabu - who knows? The term "personal reasons" could mean almost anything and may be a euphemism. As I wrote before the club's statement was very terse; some might even say rude. The absence of a simple thank you is striking.

Notable that the club's statement was rather terse. No "thank you" at all.

Firstly, thanks for posting on here Jay. Its always good to have more /better communication not only with members but also with the wider fanbase. In terms of what the Society has achieved, some don't fully understand. Without its presence the club would not have paid off its debts and would have gone onto administration. Thats a huge achievement in my book. As with many things in life, stakeholders do not see what you have prevented, stopped or avoided. Thats life. Has it been run perfectly - no. Could things be improved - yes. However, I took heart from the recent elections. We needed a blend of continuity and fresh blood and we got that. I now hope we can on to a higher level, through fan ownership. Compared to fans of other clubs, I think we tend to have more more modest expectations and thats a good thing up to a point, providing it doesn't stifle ambition. I'm very wary of private investment, although thats not necessarily a bad thing, providing our club is safeguarded. I believe that at least one individual was/is interested in putting money into the club under the present model. I've no idea though, how successful the "Geez money" video was in attracting genuine interest. Clubs like the Dundee twins, St Johnstone and Hibs are playing with fire for short/medium term gain. Dunfermline did something similar a few years ago, and whilst they succeeded, up to a point, yes up to a point in the short term, they've paid heavily for it ever since. I'm fully behind fan ownership but our model can't be fossilised. It had to grow and adapt.. Tonight's club AGM will hopefully give us an update on several crucial matters eg a new CEO and Chairman. Good news on that front will be a fillip for everyone.

Unfortunatley not, but other posters will be.

Club AGM tonight. Should be interesting.

Good post. When Sevco when in the lower leagues, an issue in itself, there was a vote to change the distribution of prize money but one club, which expected to finish 2nd, voted against change. In the event they were pipped to the runners up spot with seconds of the season to go. 🤣

To St Johnstone fans and those of a simliar persuasion, be careful what you wish for. What happens when the new investor tires and wants their money back? The more clubs who go down this route the harder it will be for clubs like St Johnstone to finish above 6th or even 8th or 9th.

Whilst footballing ability and money inevitably influence results to a huge degree, mentaility does play a part. For us to beat, or even draw with the gruesome twosome we need them to have injury absentees on the day, be below par, have bad luck, and a fair referee. If that isn't enough, we need to be on the top of our game. Its not just players' ability that counts but their character and thats where we fall short just now, and have done so for some years. In short, we've shown them far too much repsect and a lack on field leadership. We need the Willlie McVie, Stewart McLaren and Peter Millar mentaility. Players who'd die in a ditch to prevent them from getting anywhere near our penalty box, let alone our keeper. Guys who would class it as a disaster if a green or blue shirt managed to fire off a shot that hit Row Z. Football isn't just about getting in the right type of player or skillful individuals, its about having a winner's character.

Normally, in these games, I'd say go for it but not this time. I say that for 2 reasons: our league position relative to Livingston, Ross County and St Johnstone; and secondly our defence and defensive midfield are a shambles just now and likely to concede very easily. As you say Gazzy, damage limitation. Livi is our cup final.

Yes, I would want him at Fir Park.

Yes, credit to him for not criticising players publicly, but he's been unable to fix our defensive frailties and he's in charge. Thats not all down to him of course, he can only do so much with the players, who must also take responsibility.

Rest any player who isn't 100% fit. We have bigger fish to fry later. The strategy of many a previous manager.

I think what Stevie is saying , and no doubt he'll correct me if I'm wrong, is that we do nothing and say nothing until the end of the season and then we simply don't renew his contract. That way the players know no more than we do. In short, they can't react to something which hasn't happened.

My view as well Grizzly.

No problem at all with that Texas. We should move on to worry more about the Well!

I simply don't know although there could be a few candidates. It's a very hard label to determine. To simply state that a player is unquestionably the best striker in a league is very difficult to justify. Obviously the number of goals scored is one crude indicator, but no more than that.

I didn't say he wasn't simply that I'm far from convinced that he is. These labels are often academic and hard to prove one way or the other. How many goals would the likes of Bair, Vale or other strikers score if they played for Hearts? You might disagree with my conclusion and that's perfectly fine but I hope you agree that there is some merit in my argument.

Our best back 3, as a unit, and I stress as a unit, is probably McGinn, Casey and Blaney. SOD and McGinn shouldn't be in the same back 3 except in a dire emergency. Now I'm not saying that it's a good back 3 but only that it's our best and that's a different thing.

I'm far from convinced he's the best striker in the league, although he may be the top scorer. Would he score as many if he played with Livingston, Ross County or St Johnstone?

If there is a shadow of doubt about his fitness I'd rest him next weekend, as I would with any player who has a niggle or burnt out. To all intents and purpose Livingston is the crucial game. Today was always going to be difficult against Hearts who will finish 3rd, despite what Killie might think. One or two inexperienced "wobbles" from SK, though. Fortunately they didn't make any difference at all to the result and little difference to the scoreline.

We'd ship goals to both sides of course, but after speaking to a friend who was at Starks Park last neither side could hit a barn door from 2 feet. Brown's goal was the effort of lifetime, never to be repeated.