joewarkfanclub Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Fan power got us this far. Without it newco would be planning for SPL football already. Stand firm, back the SFL club fans and let these idiots know we will not be bullied. We want our game back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan1984 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 If Motherwell did - they'd be lying (to their future owners/bosses) again. I actually believe Aberdeen though - for some reason <_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazilian Posted June 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 guilty until proven innocent so our OF led media come up with propoganda to sell papers and rangers season ticketys and we all jump to their tune cos it must be true...the media tell us so A statement from the SFL read: "The Scottish Football League can confirm that no agreement has been reached between the SFL and any other body regarding the position of Rangers Newco in the First Division. Consultation will continue to take place, primarily with our clubs, as previously advised." Come on Stoney this isn't the media, it's the SFL clubs that are reacting,As you point out, (what you miss is longmuir of the SFL backing its intro, then going quiet) if anything the normal media sources are dodging it and how's it meant to sell rangers season tickets? The SPL are guilty, and I'm afraid the SPL is the clubs including ours, unless Doncaster has went out on this alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoney Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Come on Stoney this isn't the media, it's the SFL clubs that are reacting,As you point out, (what you miss is longmuir of the SFL backing its intro, then going quiet) if anything the normal media sources are dodging it and how's it meant to sell rangers season tickets? The SPL are guilty, and I'm afraid the SPL is the clubs including ours, unless Doncaster has went out on this alone ian you know i'm a happy clappy mate. I simply dont buy into our club being part of it until someone can show me some actual proof that we were. and i still think that if enough teams from div 1 ,2+3 say no then doncaster can say /threaten what the feck he wants it will be a No. and if they try to impose it they will end up in court with no spl/spl2 games this coming season But either way our club did what we wanted. To now change the goalposts and make out taht this paln was already in place when they did, even tho that is purely conjecture from all, is simply a step too far for me until someone backs it with anything that says differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 ian you know i'm a happy clappy mate. I simply dont buy into our club being part of it until someone can show me some actual proof that we were. and i still think that if enough teams from div 1 ,2+3 say no then doncaster can say /threaten what the feck he wants it will be a No. and if they try to impose it they will end up in court with no spl/spl2 games this coming season But either way our club did what we wanted. To now change the goalposts and make out taht this paln was already in place when they did, even tho that is purely conjecture from all, is simply a step too far for me until someone backs it with anything that says differently. Does our chairman being part of the SPL Board count as this came from them and must have been approved by the SPL board prior to being published. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motherwell Fan Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 I simply dont buy into our club being part of it until someone can show me some actual proof that we were I doubt this is all down to one man (Doncaster) it's more likely to have the backing of the SPL Board which includes one of our directors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Well Fan Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 We were told that match fixing was the only thing worse than what Rangers have done yet now the authorities are bending over backwards rearranging everything to help them into the SPL as soon as possible. It just confirms that when it comes to certain clubs the only rule is there are no rules. Also these clubs who were happy to put out their statements saying they would be voting no because of fan reaction will be showing us exactly what they think of their fans if they agree to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazilian Posted June 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 and i still think that if enough teams from div 1 ,2+3 say no then doncaster can say /threaten what the feck he wants it will be a No. and if they try to impose it they will end up in court with no spl/spl2 games this coming season I'm hopeful that the SFL fight back as well And I'm probably so angry because of the need for them to fight back The silence from the SPL clubs today is astounding, when fans from all clubs are reacting to it as pure blackmail and being nothing but disruptive instead of moving the game forward But it's this nonsense from the SFA who are responding saying the restructure is not about one club yet only one club is getting selective treatment, I'm all for the proposed changes but not with with the specific inclusions around Rangers which should be completely separate dealings I fully expect some Spin tomorrow from the main players, and with that sentence I guess I've just realised I've now got no trust in what they have to say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 ian you know i'm a happy clappy mate. I simply dont buy into our club being part of it until someone can show me some actual proof that we were. and i still think that if enough teams from div 1 ,2+3 say no then doncaster can say /threaten what the feck he wants it will be a No. and if they try to impose it they will end up in court with no spl/spl2 games this coming season But either way our club did what we wanted. To now change the goalposts and make out taht this paln was already in place when they did, even tho that is purely conjecture from all, is simply a step too far for me until someone backs it with anything that says differently. I believe our club acted in good faith and handed over the decision to us with no knowledge that this type of communication was forthcoming. However, I think that since it became likely that the july 4th vote was going to go against Rangers, the governing body ( or bodies ) have devised this cunning plan. If our director is determined to be one of the people reponsible for the plan or supported it then that really sticks in the throat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 I look forward to a statement from Romanov tomorrow. Sad state of affairs but he's one of the few that I trust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motherwell Fan Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 I may have missed it among all the various statements put out, but where does the £1m given to Div 1 get diverted from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 I may have missed it among all the various statements put out, but where does the £1m given to Div 1 get diverted from? Distribution of Sky cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 All the document should have said was this........... WE HAVE CONSIDERED FIVE SCENARIOS 1.Rangers stay in SPL....... No! this smacks of preferential treatment. 2.Rangers to Third Division..Yes, apply here like any other club would have to do. 3.Rangers to First Division... No! this smacks of preferential treatment. 4.Rangers to SPL2...WTF! There is no SPL2. this smacks of preferential treatment. 5.Rangers terminated or suspended...No! We are talking about newco not old Rangers. i think the above is fair and that it covers the scenarios and I defy the SFA/SFL/SPL to disagree with those statements. The only argument they have is that they ( SFA/SFL/SPL ) are shit scared of what might happen if we do what should be done and would have been done had it been any other club. FTLOT!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan1984 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 All the document should have said was this........... WE HAVE CONSIDERED FIVE SCENARIOS 1.Rangers stay in SPL....... No! this smacks of preferential treatment. 2.Rangers to Third Division..Yes, apply here like any other club would have to do. 3.Rangers to First Division... No! this smacks of preferential treatment. 4.Rangers to SPL2...WTF! There is no SPL2. this smacks of preferential treatment. 5.Rangers terminated or suspended...No! We are talking about newco not old Rangers. i think the above is fair and that it covers the scenarios and I defy the SFA/SFL/SPL to disagree with those statements. The only argument they have is that they ( SFA/SFL/SPL ) are shit scared of what might happen if we do what should be done and would have been done had it been any other club. FTLOT!! What most of the clubs actually believe though... 1 Yes, but the fans won't buy that 2. Hell no, they deserve better 3. Since the fans will certainly not agree with number 1 we can work this in, the SFL clubs will do our dirty work for us 4. But just to be sure we'll agree to this too 5. No no no no no, not even considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 This whole farce is just sickening. At least you made me smile wellfan1984 but the sad thing is your comments are pretty much near the truth!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well 4 Europe Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Relax......we don't respond to blackmail. We've made our position crystal clear. The document is a joke and an insult. I don't care about SPL clubs or their problems. They haven't shown much interest in ours! We will not be rolling over. I'd rather play Junior Football! A Raith Fan on P&B says this was the response he got from Turnbull Hutton(the director) from his angry email asking about the clubs position. Something tells me(well history in this whole saga tells me) there's still a number of twists and turns to come.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsMFC Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 If the SFL indicate no on Tuesday, do you think it will change how the voting goes on Wednesday? You have to wonder after today's development! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 I simply dont buy into our club being part of it until someone can show me some actual proof that we were. I'm happy to believe, at the moment, that our club are not a part of this. Thankfully our club has been pretty vocal recently regarding this issue - both in terms of official statements and discussing the issue via social networking sites. Therefore, it is only natural to assume that, if the club have nothing to do with this, they will address this horrific attempt at corruption by clarifying their lack of knowledge regarding it and distancing themselves from the shameful events currently unfolding. It is also only natural, in my opinion, to assume that failure to do so in the very near future will be, at least on some level, an admission of guilt. The idea that Motherwell FC could have actively played a role in this - including 'allowing' the Well Society to decide how we vote - is depressing. Thankfully, I fully expect a statement refuting this idea ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoney Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 i agree with you in part jay, altho no doubt no matter how any statement is worded some people would still try and pick holes in it so, like the vote, the club is damned if they do and damned if they dont imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 i agree with you in part jay, altho no doubt no matter how any statement is worded some people would still try and pick holes in it so, like the vote, the club is damned if they do and damned if they dont imo Normally I'd agree. However, in this case all the club has to do is release a statement explaining that the SPL's plans are not something they are involved in nor actively support, and reiterate their intentions to follow the wishes of the Well Society. If a few folk still want to pick holes in that then they can batter in. It doesn't detract from the fact that a statement is now absolutely vital, and the longer the club remains silent the more guilty they will appear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 Normally I'd agree. However, in this case all the club has to do is release a statement explaining that the SPL's plans are not something they are involved in nor actively support, and reiterate their intentions to follow the wishes of the Well Society. They can, quite correctly, claim they are following the wishes of the Well Society with the "No to newco" vote. Which is why a statement isn't going to make anyone any happier. You can just about write it now: initial vote was for newco, sensitive topic, put it out to Well Society, response was No, ready to take that to SPL on July 4th, only after sufficient clubs indicated no did the SFA/SPL/SFL discussions firm up, needed to distribute them in time for july 4th discussions, no time for 2nd vote, for discussion only and no decision can be made until when or if details are agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoney Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 i am happy to give the club the benefit of the doubt , for now, altho an official statement would be good i still believe in the principle of innocent until proven guilty, altho i am back to looking at going to the away euro leg rather than using the money to get society membership like i had planned to...so maybe i am not so certain in innocent until proven guilty as i thought i was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 They can, quite correctly, claim they are following the wishes of the Well Society with the "No to newco" vote. Which is why a statement isn't going to make anyone any happier. Of course a statement will make folk happier, assuming it clarifies that our club isn't involved in the corruption and blackmail currently being played out in Scottish football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StipeIsGod Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 Woke up this morning quite happy, having decided that all this pish was just a bad dream. Bollocks. Need a club statement today. Infact, Scottish football needs an utter fuckton of club statements today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 Given that some fans are talking of walking away/boycotting SPL games in view of the current Rangers situation, I wonder now if this will have a domino effect on attendance at international matches. The SFA have stepped into the fray with rushed and controversial proposals for restruturing - in view of that will some fans stop attending Scotland games? Events could snowball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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