dennyc Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 5 minutes ago, weeyin said: I took a look at the rules, and it's a bit more complicated than that. Clubs are allowed to amortize an incoming transfer fee over 5 years. As youth players are considered to be "free" any profit from their sale is regarded as pure profit. That means Mika's £4 million fee can be offset against £20 million worth of incoming transfers - £4 million a year over five years. So it might not be a huge number, but still means those academy players are worth 5 times more than than their transfer fee to a club. Of course, from a footballing perspective, it looks like it was a terrible idea and Arsenal played themselves out of the title race by having no available strikers. A quick look at the Arsenal fans' opinions and they couldn't believe he was ever sold. How does it work when Biereth spent most of his youth career at Fulham, having belatedly joined Arsenal to be part of their U21 (EPL2) set up? Is he regarded as an Arsenal youth development player? If so teams should just buy up 18 year olds, loan them out and then sell them on to gain the advantage you outline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 8 minutes ago, dennyc said: How does it work when Biereth spent most of his youth career at Fulham, having belatedly joined Arsenal to be part of their U21 (EPL2) set up? Is he regarded as an Arsenal youth development player? If so teams should just buy up 18 year olds, loan them out and then sell them on to gain the advantage you outline. From what I read (and it was an interpretation of the the rules, not the actual rule book), because he signed as a youngster with no fee. The Financial Fair Play is different from the UEFA development compensation, and for these transactions is focused mostly on transfer costs. So Mika was essentially bought for zero, sold for £4 million. And yes, apparently it's one of the unintended side effects of the rule and why EPL teams load up on youngsters that you never see near the first team before they are moved on for a fee. While not the only side that do it, I read an article a couple of years ago how Chelsea were taking significant advantage of the rules during their high spending Abramovich years. Signing youngsters, loaning them out, selling them on with no intention to ever play them in the first team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistandshout1983 Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 2-1 away win for Graham Alexander's Bradford City . 2nd in the league now Hopefully a claret and Amber day all round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 25 minutes ago, weeyin said: From what I read (and it was an interpretation of the the rules, not the actual rule book), because he signed as a youngster with no fee. The Financial Fair Play is different from the UEFA development compensation, and for these transactions is focused mostly on transfer costs. So Mika was essentially bought for zero, sold for £4 million. And yes, apparently it's one of the unintended side effects of the rule and why EPL teams load up on youngsters that you never see near the first team before they are moved on for a fee. While not the only side that do it, I read an article a couple of years ago how Chelsea were taking significant advantage of the rules during their high spending Abramovich years. Signing youngsters, loaning them out, selling them on with no intention to ever play them in the first team. Cheers. So basically set up to help bigger Clubs offset FFP......or bankrupt themselves hopefully. No regard for teams that have youngsters enticed away to bigger Clubs. I guess the good aspect is that Fulham who developed the boy should have benefited from a Development Fee pay out when he moved on from Arsenal ......and possibly Sturm Graz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderlips Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 10 hours ago, dennyc said: Cheers. So basically set up to help bigger Clubs offset FFP......or bankrupt themselves hopefully. No regard for teams that have youngsters enticed away to bigger Clubs. I guess the good aspect is that Fulham who developed the boy should have benefited from a Development Fee pay out when he moved on from Arsenal ......and possibly Sturm Graz? I don't think Fulham are the team you should be feeling sorry for since they're run by one of the richest people in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 An interesting article from the Herald on Jake Hastie https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/24973525.hastie-storming-start-rangers-stutter-ayr-revival/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 Watching the Aberdeen v Utd game, and Wee Al is a shadow of his old self so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 3 minutes ago, weeyin said: Watching the Aberdeen v Utd game, and Wee Al is a shadow of his old self so far. hopefully Utd don't pursue him at end of season, we bring him home and get him back to his best. He'd be a big upgrade on likes of Davor and can't see Halliday playing every game for much longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistandshout1983 Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 Not an ex player , but 10 home wins in a row at Bradford for Graham Alexander, a club record 2 points off the top of the league , well done 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyMax Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 KVV in LidL in Greeock of all places today. Maybe a wee trial for Morton ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 5 minutes ago, AllyMax said: KVV in LidL in Greeock of all places today. Maybe a wee trial for Morton ? Maybe submitting a job application. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Blues Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 17 minutes ago, AllyMax said: KVV in LidL in Greeock of all places today. Maybe a wee trial for Morton ? Don't mention the... oh, too late! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyMax Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 1 minute ago, Electric Blues said: Don't mention the... oh, too late! Oh, completely forgot about that. A wee trial 'in' Greenock rather than a trial 'for'..... My mate sent a picture and I'm still trying to find out how he even knew who KVV was, given that he knows so little about football, i'd be surprised if he could name a team, never mind a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 I'm unimpressed (but not surprised) with his zero goals for Kille and St Mirren. No comment on the charges, and we need to keep it that way on here to avoid any potential legal issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 We want to stay on the right side of the law here people, so the less KVV trial related chat the better, until everything is resolved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 I’ve said this before about KvV, we got the best of him during his time with us especially in his second season. He was happy, scoring goals nearly every week and playing with confidence. A purple patch for a journeymen? Maybe it was but if it was then what a purple patch it was and we were the ones who benefited from it. He moved on that summer and has never been able to recreate that form and hasn’t settled in a team like he did with us since. Why that is can be down to any number of things but I think it’s safe to say that he was good for us and we were good for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyMax Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 54 minutes ago, wellgirl said: As much as I get why people aren't impressed by KVV people are innocent until proven guilty. He's not been through the criminal justice system yet. Robbo was charged and went to trial for allegedly assaulting his partner and was found not guilty Harry Paton was also rinsed all over the media because of allegations made by his ex partner - and that didn't go to trial I grew up with domestic violence. I'm lucky to have my mum. But one thing I won't do is brand people guilty before a verdict This is just me speaking generally I'm struggling to find the post where people said anything to the contrary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 50 minutes ago, MJC said: I’ve said this before about KvV, we got the best of him during his time with us especially in his second season. He was happy, scoring goals nearly every week and playing with confidence. A purple patch for a journeymen? Maybe it was but if it was then what a purple patch it was and we were the ones who benefited from it. He moved on that summer and has never been able to recreate that form and hasn’t settled in a team like he did with us since. Why that is can be down to any number of things but I think it’s safe to say that he was good for us and we were good for him. I will give Kettlewell credit in that he transformed KVV as he gave him a strike partner. During Hammell's spell KVV'S attitude in my opinion was terrible. Will never forget his performance v st Johnstone where he was shocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnstone Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 Kevin Van Veen was absolutely box office. Incredible season with us, right up there with probably the best striker performance in one season in the SPL. His goal versus St Johnstone where he put two boys on their arse was exceptional. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha1886 Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 Link to article on Mika. Hope it works! Wish he could have stayed longer. Also heard Ross McCormack rating Chris Porter as the best CF he had played with. Agree? https://www.dailynewsupdate.com.ng/arsenal-have-been-criticized-for-making-the-biggest-transfer-mistake-of-the-decade-after-selling-mika-biereth-to-sk-sturm-graz-in-july-2024/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2e8yZ2mQUCcNje89DBMo5LgAsb5hWbO_yVomn6cEksF8jey6raKsstAM4_aem_58mg_m_Hzpct_AMkMZ4hgw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 Porter was very good and another example of needing a bit of time to find his feet. A good fit for our team at the time, and the Scottish league. And a nice bit of business when we sold him on. He was also one of those players we like to sign who had a record of injury problems, but in this case the risk paid off. The fact that Levein had knocked him back for Dundee Utd was just a bonus. Not in the Coyne, Pettigrew, Moult, van Veen, Higdon bracket, but not far off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 55 minutes ago, Alpha1886 said: Link to article on Mika. Hope it works! Wish he could have stayed longer. Would have been great if he stayed longer, but it was ridiculous he was even an option for us. Even as a loan he should have been at an EPL club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha1886 Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 2 hours ago, weeyin said: Porter was very good and another example of needing a bit of time to find his feet. A good fit for our team at the time, and the Scottish league. And a nice bit of business when we sold him on. He was also one of those players we like to sign who had a record of injury problems, but in this case the risk paid off. The fact that Levein had knocked him back for Dundee Utd was just a bonus. Not in the Coyne, Pettigrew, Moult, van Veen, Higdon bracket, but not far off. And that would be my opinion as a spectator. Could add StJohn, McBride et al. Think McCormack was commenting only on those he played alongside and from his point of view of Porter being the best at bringing others into play. Recall fondly second-half of 2-2 cup-tie at Tynecastle (post Phil) when Porter and McCormack ripped Hearts a new one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 15 minutes ago, Alpha1886 said: And that would be my opinion as a spectator. Could add StJohn, McBride et al. Think McCormack was commenting only on those he played alongside and from his point of view of Porter being the best at bringing others into play. Recall fondly second-half of 2-2 cup-tie at Tynecastle (post Phil) when Porter and McCormack ripped Hearts a new one. I love watching that cup tie, the whole emotion and the great football we played under mcghee that season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistandshout1983 Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 Must admit I had no idea John Ruddy had signed for Newcastle until I seen Motherwells Facebook post earlier Well done John Ruddy and Mark Gillespie, from a Liverpool follower 🏆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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