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1 hour ago, MelvinBragg said:

He wasn't good enough but I'm waiting to see more of Longelo before I start taking the piss out of Thompson..

We haven't had a good permanent left back since Hammell. Given he retired in 2018, it's a fair drought...

Our left backs are genuinely excellent or rank rotten. Longelo looks promising. I was never s Thompson fan, put in 2 good crosses in 6 months..just my opinion 

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I thought thompson was rotten but he was probably unfortunate enough that he arrived right at the end of kettlewells reign and lacking fitness,he struggled to find a team mate on grass so who knows what he will be like on the plastic.

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46 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said:

I think he got a bad hamstring injury last December which required surgery, possibly not fully recovered yet.
Feel really sorry for him with injuries. 

He recovered from that though, made a few subs appearances and was a starter in a game or two towards the end of the season.

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2 hours ago, Stuwell2 said:

I think he got a bad hamstring injury last December which required surgery, possibly not fully recovered yet.
Feel really sorry for him with injuries. 

Was involved in all Cardiff s preseason games…….scored in one🥵

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51 minutes ago, Mccus28 said:

Max J is subject of a bid by Derby County

£1.4 million allegedly, its been rejected by Sturm Graz. According to various bits of online chatter there are a few clubs interested in him, I hope we had a sell on clause in the deal when he left us.

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16 minutes ago, weeyin said:

Derby would be a slightly strange move - from League Titles and Champions League football in Austria to a Championship side that avoided relegation by 1 point last season.

Agreed.

Would be a real step back for him.

Maybe not financially, but football wise he should manage his career upwards.

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2 hours ago, Spiderpig said:

£1.4 million allegedly, its been rejected by Sturm Graz. According to various bits of online chatter there are a few clubs interested in him, I hope we had a sell on clause in the deal when he left us.

Perhaps  I am wrong but I thought he just left with no deal agreed between the Clubs. Same as Cadden years ago. Contract expired. That’s how the media reported it at the time anyway. Correct me if you find out differently. 

So we would only have gotten Training Compensation up front which was quoted as between £250k or £300k depending upon which report you believe. 

And then we would be due an additional Solidarity Fee from any subsequent cross border transfer up to (I think) age 23. Based on years developed from ages 12 to 21. So we get rewarded for developing him for only 7 years as he left us age 19.

The calculation of our ‘windfall’ using my limited arithmetic. Based on £1.4m . 7/9 of 5% of £1.4m. So a miserly £55k. 5% is the amount automatically deducted from the transfer fee for sharing amongst the Clubs that develop a player. 
Derby might be more money and a route to bigger things in England. But sadly even if he then moved for gazillions to Chelsea, we would be due nothing as that transfer would not be cross border.

Better for us if SG tell Derby to bugger off and then sell him to an Italian Club for the £3m they want. (£120k for the good guys). After a year he can then get that huge transfer to Chelsea or Liverpool. We then get rewarded twice. Wishful thinking I know!
I hope that all makes sense. 
 

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1 minute ago, dennyc said:

Perhaps  I am wrong but I thought he just left with no deal agreed between the Clubs. Same as Cadden years ago. Contract expired. That’s how the media reported it at the time anyway. Correct me if you find out differently. 

So we would only have gotten Training Compensation up front which was quoted as between £250k or £300k depending upon which report you believe. 

And then we would be due an additional Solidarity Fee from any subsequent cross border transfer up to (I think) age 23. Based on years developed from ages 12 to 21. So we get rewarded for developing him for only 7 years as he left us age 19.

The calculation of our ‘windfall’ using my limited arithmetic. Based on £1.4m . 7/9 of 5% of £1.4m. So a miserly £55k. 5% is the amount automatically deducted from the transfer fee for sharing amongst the Clubs that develop a player. 
Derby might be more money a route to bigger things in England. But sadly even if he then moved for gazillions to Chelsea, we would be due nothing as that transfer would not be cross border.

Better for us if SG tell Derby to bugger off and then sell him to an Italian Club for the £3m they want. (£120k for the good guys). After a year he can then get that huge transfer to Chelsea or Liverpool. We then get rewarded twice. Wishful thinking I know!
I hope that all makes sense. 
 

I have no idea if there was any sell on clause or not, either way if there was or its compensation related the club might still earn some more cash.

They could use it to put some cover in at Mrs Baillies to stop the lager getting wet.

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If he moves while under contract, we are due a small piece of the fee regardless of any sell-ons agreed.

"Any time a player is transferred while they are under contract, then a solidarity fee is paid to all clubs that trained the player between his 12th and 23rd birthdays at a proportional rate depending on how long the player was at each club."

What I hadn't realised is that they continue throughout the players' career.

"Solidarity payments do not stop at the player’s 23rd birthday (like the training compensation payments do) but continue through the course of the player’s professional career each time he is transferred while under contract."

So as long a fee is paid while they are under contract, even if they are 40 years old, we still receive our cut. 

Apparently 5% of the transfer fee is used for the distributions.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Spiderpig said:

I have no idea if there was any sell on clause or not, either way if there was or its compensation related the club might still earn some more cash.

They could use it to put some cover in at Mrs Baillies to stop the lager getting wet.

Agree,  the lager is already well watered down.....allegedly.

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1 hour ago, weeyin said:

 

If he moves while under contract, we are due a small piece of the fee regardless of any sell-ons agreed.

"Any time a player is transferred while they are under contract, then a solidarity fee is paid to all clubs that trained the player between his 12th and 23rd birthdays at a proportional rate depending on how long the player was at each club."

What I hadn't realised is that they continue throughout the players' career.

"Solidarity payments do not stop at the player’s 23rd birthday (like the training compensation payments do) but continue through the course of the player’s professional career each time he is transferred while under contract."

So as long a fee is paid while they are under contract, even if they are 40 years old, we still receive our cut. 

Apparently 5% of the transfer fee is used for the distributions.

 

 

Thanks for clarifying the no age limit for Solidarity. That's the bit I was not so sure about. That quote you posted confirms the situation.

Transfers have to be Cross Border transfer though. So Derby to Chelsea or Napoli to Juventus down the line would not benefit us. Unless the Home Association involved has adopted the Solidarity Scheme developed by UEFA etc. 

Generally the two aspects of the compensation scheme help. Often more so for the initial training fee up front. But the 5% Solidarity payment thereafter can really amount to very little unless the transfer fee runs into tens of million. Especially if the player was not with his parent Club from age 12 to age 21. MJ was only with us from 12 to 19 so we won't even get the full 5%. I think that % should be upped to reflect the higher add on % that is common when transfer terms are agreed by the clubs involved. But UEFA etc refuse to consider increasing it....or the training fee calculation.....as they feel to do so might hinder the transfer of young players.

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I see Allan Campbell had a weeks trial at Oxford and they decided they didn’t want to sign him. Really sad for the lad but it’s not looking great for him, I can see him ending up at Partick or something?

also Turnbull was dropped from the Cardiff team this weekend due to him breaking club discipline rules?? Wtf has happened to him? I’m hoping that’s just a one off incident.

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When wee Al was at Dundee Utd he looked a shadow of his former self at Fir Park. From what I have seen, he was doing well at Luton until the new manager ditched him, and he's struggled since then. In need of a consistent run to get some confidence back.

Turnbull definitely need a move from Celtic to get more game time, but Cardiff was a very strange move as they were struggling at the time.

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26 minutes ago, weeyin said:

 

Turnbull definitely need a move from Celtic to get more game time, but Cardiff was a very strange move as they were struggling at the time.

I suspect Cardiff were the only team that were interested in signing him, given that Celtic lost about £1 million on him, paid us £3 million and Sold to Cardiff for an undisclosed fee reported as £2  million.

Maybe hes just not as good as we all thought he would be.

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29 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:

I suspect Cardiff were the only team that were interested in signing him, given that Celtic lost about £1 million on him, paid us £3 million and Sold to Cardiff for an undisclosed fee reported as £2  million.

Maybe hes just not as good as we all thought he would be.

Cardiff pay silly money as well, by all accounts he’s ended up getting £10k pw more at Cardiff than he did at Celtic. 

money isn’t everything tho as he’s taken that for a detrimental effect on his career…. Screams of Bad agent to me….. but if a bad agent can get me £25k pw for doing hee haw I’d hire him 🤣

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2 hours ago, weeyin said:

When wee Al was at Dundee Utd he looked a shadow of his former self at Fir Park. From what I have seen, he was doing well at Luton until the new manager ditched him, and he's struggled since then. In need of a consistent run to get some confidence back.

Turnbull definitely need a move from Celtic to get more game time, but Cardiff was a very strange move as they were struggling at the time.

I always thought they played well together but maybe like Pettigrew and Graham weren't as good apart

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21 minutes ago, andalg said:

I always thought they played well together but maybe like Pettigrew and Graham weren't as good apart

At one point I think we briefly had 5 players in the first team, including Campbell, that came up through the academy together.

It certainly makes a difference.

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