weeyin Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Lots of posts about our defence / midfield over the last 2 games however it seems one of our star strikers mistakes have gone under the radar. His cut-back at Ibrox in the 90th minute and absolute sitter from Cadden's cross yesterday (see 2 mins into the highlights) are as bad as anything our defence served up. I'm not actually advocating playing the blame game - I just think it's too easy to point out defensive errors when there are often other incidents at the other end of the park which could have turned the game. Totally agree about the strikers. Since the start of the season we have been largely struggling to take our chances. Injuries early on in the season plus Skippy taking his usual 2 months to get fit hasn't helped, but their errors tend to be judged less harshly than the defenders' even though they have the same cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star sail Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Looking at the red card decisions, I think there was no doubt about the O Halloran challenge. Dangerous, high and reckless. On the other two, they are either both yellow or both red. Whichever way you look at 2 out of the 3 decisions are correct in my opinion. When looking at the Kiernan decision against the McDonald decision, there are a couple of factors that have clearly affected the decisions, none of which have anything to do with the rules of the game. The first is the circumstances of the game. Rangers have already had a player sent off and it is only twenty minutes into the game. It would take a very strong referee to send a second rangers player of at that time. That does not make the decision right but can make it understandable. The second is the position of the McDonald incident on the pitch. It happened directly in front of the dugout. The whole rangers bench would have been on their feet in a second instantly adding to the perceived severity of the challenge. Again does nor make the decision right but most referee's are going to take the path of least resistance. The frustration for me is that McDonald was stupid enough to lunge into the challenge. He must have known as a seasoned pro the tightrope that the whole Motherwell team had to walk for the remainder of the game. It was yet another poor decision from one of the more senior players in the squad. It must be very frustrating for a manager to watch a weeks preparation go down to the tubes in one moment of madness. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 As frustrating as it is when Skippy does something like that, it's that part of his character that makes him a good player. Chippy, mouthy and in your face for 90 minutes is how he made his career. The bigger concern is the apparent gulf between our first choice strikers and our backups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergi4 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 I would say the answer to that question provides a similar question. In that he was drawn to Waghorn and I'd ask the same question about Stephen McManus. Got the same answer to Kmcalpin as you; McManus gave up at the first goal, and Hammell caught trying to cover up. McManus not very clever at second goal either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 The playoff wins weren't unlikely. We had the better players. I'm not sure we did have better players in the play off games. We most certainly had better players when we capitulated at Ibrox in the League Cup in 2012 but it didn't seem to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazilian Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Absolutely woefull record against Rangers continues. 2 wins in 50 or something like that . Woefull. its really 2 in 7, but even at 2 in 45 , what a pair of games to win easily best 2 games in last decade or more every cloud and that Jim, Cheers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 I'm not sure we did have better players in the play off games. From Jan 2015, Rangers won 8 out of 18 Championship matches including dropping points to Livingston, Cowdenbeath and Alloa. They were put out of the Scottish Cup by Raith Rovers and lost a Challenge Cup Semi Final to Alloa having been 2-0 up with 14 minutes to go. They finished 3rd overall in the Championship and scrapped through to the Play Off Finals winning only 2 of the 4 matches against QoS (2-1, 1-1) and Hibernian (2-0, 0-1). Rangers were an absolute shambles when they played us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplewell Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 From Jan 2015, Rangers won 8 out of 18 Championship matches including dropping points to Livingston, Cowdenbeath and Alloa. They were put out of the Scottish Cup by Raith Rovers and lost a Challenge Cup Semi Final to Alloa having been 2-0 up with 14 minutes to go. They finished 3rd overall in the Championship and scrapped through to the Play Off Finals winning only 2 of the 4 matches against QoS (2-1, 1-1) and Hibernian (2-0, 0-1). Rangers were an absolute shambles when they played us. Correct, but there were a couple of other factors at play that day. Us always being shitebag's when we face any incarnation of Rangers, and, the media making it seem like Rangers winning was already a foregone conclusion before a ball was kicked. All of that led to two of the greatest games our club has played, in my lifetime anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swami Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 I finally decided to watch the highlights. That is never a sending off for McDonald. He's gone in with one foot and just over-stretched. It's a poor challenge that was timed badly, but the simple fact is that if it hadn't have happened after a Rangers player was already off and, more importantly, right in front of their bench, it would have been a yellow all day. Willie Collum is a fucking twat that couldn't wait to send him off and level it up. I'll probably just forget about it now, but I was raging at the game, and for a couple of hours afterwards. Seeing Kiernan's yellow again just makes it even worse mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacol Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 I finally decided to watch the highlights. That is never a sending off for McDonald. He's gone in with one foot and just over-stretched. It's a poor challenge that was timed badly, but the simple fact is that if it hadn't have happened after a Rangers player was already off and, more importantly, right in front of their bench, it would have been a yellow all day. Willie Collum is a fucking twat that couldn't wait to send him off and level it up. I'll probably just forget about it now, but I was raging at the game, and for a couple of hours afterwards. Seeing Kiernan's yellow again just makes it even worse mind. I agree completely McDonalds challenge wasn't good but it was a yellow card no more. Miller made the most of it, coupled with the reaction of their bench obviously influenced Collum, although as an experienced ref he should have been strong enough to adhere to the rules. If we are to accept that as a red card then football is finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilwell86 Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Not sure if it's being mentioned yet but with rangers down to 10 men and us controlling the game, chalmers injury should have been the chance to go for throat and go with frear. I actually don't think mcmillan done much wrong but he's a left back, far too negative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
middleeastdave Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 So we are appealing McDonald's red card, I assume they consult a former referee before they have taken the decision. Have to say, I don't think it was a red card at the time and even after seeing it again, still think that way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 I reckon we must be citing the Kiernan tackle as to why McDonald's red should be rescinded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desp Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 I can't see them overturning the red. I assume it's being appealed so that he is free to play at Dingwall tomorrow night. Simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 I reckon we must be citing the Kiernan tackle as to why McDonald's red should be rescinded. Probably, although thats a non starter in my book as the beaks will look at MacDonald's tackle in isolation. What should happen though is that if that is the line they take then the Compliance Officer should then examine Kiernan's tackle (if Collum admits an error) but that won't happen either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Kiernan punched someone the other week and got away with it because he didn't catch him well. He would've been banned had that been upheld. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoF Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Now that I've seen the closeups I'm fairly convinced that wouldn't have been a red if they weren't down to 10 men. A poor tackle, but with no pace or malice. It should have been a yellow. Poor stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 All the goals scored in the final 5 minutes of Premiership league matches. Sadly we are joint top with Hearts. Interesting to see two of our rivals are joint least - Kilmarnock and Inverness. Will need to improve on this in the 2nd half of the season. HEARTS : 693 Haber (Dundee) v Hearts92 McFadden (Motherwell) v Hearts91 Sinclair (Celtic) v Hearts87 Draper (Inverness) v Hearts86 Boyce (Ross County) v Hearts85 Kane (St. Johnstone) v HeartsMOTHERWELL : 691 Miller (Rangers) v Motherwell90 McGinn (Aberdeen) v Motherwell90 Rogic (Celtic) v Motherwell90 Tansey (Inverness) v Motherwell87 Dembele (Celtic) v Motherwell87 Hyndman (Rangers) v MotherwellABERDEEN : 491 Erskine (Partick) v Aberdeen90 Rogic (Celtic) v Aberdeen88 Schalk (Ross County) v Aberdeen87 Sinclair (Celtic) v AberdeenHAMILTON : 493 Moult (Motherwell) v Hamilton93 Polworth (Inverness) v Hamilton93 Nicholson (Hearts) v Hamilton86 Paterson (Hearts) v HamiltonST. JOHNSTONE : 492 Christie (Celtic) v St. Johnstone91 Meekings (Inverness) v St. Johnstone91 Osman (Partick) v St. Johnstone87 Paterson (Hearts) v St. JohnstoneDUNDEE : 392 Forrester (Rangers) v Dundee89 Johnsen (Hearts) v Dundee88 McLean (Aberdeen) v DundeePARTICK THISTLE : 395 Burke (Ross County) v Partick Thistle94 Dodoo (Rangers) v Partick Thistle90 Watt (Hearts) v PartickRANGERS : 394 Considine (Aberdeen) v Rangers92 Armstrong (Celtic) v Rangers90 Maddison (Aberdeen) v RangersROSS COUNTY : 393 Dembele (Celtic) v Ross County91 Sinclair (Celtic) v Ross County90 Longstaff (Kilmarnock) v Ross CountyCELTIC : 289 Fisher (Inverness) v Celtic89 MacLean (St. Johnstone) v CelticKILMARNOCK : 286 Doumbouya (Inverness) v Kilmarnock85 Rogic (Celtic) v KilmarnockINVERNESS : 289 McLean (Aberdeen) v Inverness87 McDonald (Motherwell) v Inverness 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desp Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 By my reckoning, we've only lost two points as a result of those six goals. The other goals we were already losing the game. How does that compare to others around us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeddum07 Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 I think McDonald's was prob a red but think you have to give Kiernan and McDonald the same punishment and I would have given them both reds. The one thing no one seems to be talking about is the well society staying quiet about rangers fans sectarianism. Think with fan ownership we should complain the the sfa about flags and songs and constantly mention it horribly atmosphere and with huge protests about trump it's amazing we have a rascist institution in the middle of society. The whole reason to have fans running the club is to do things differently! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 I think McDonald's was prob a red but think you have to give Kiernan and McDonald the same punishment and I would have given them both reds. The one thing no one seems to be talking about is the well society staying quiet about rangers fans sectarianism. Think with fan ownership we should complain the the sfa about flags and songs and constantly mention it horribly atmosphere and with huge protests about trump it's amazing we have a rascist institution in the middle of society. The whole reason to have fans running the club is to do things differently! What flags did they have? Agree with your general point though, it seems since their return Rangers fans have been pushing the boundaries of what they can get away with, and as they've never been challenged on it, they just do as they please. They started off being "clever" and substituting the bad words and dropping the add ons, but it does seem they've just reverted to their old song book as nobody has the balls to do anything about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 I think McDonald's was prob a red but think you have to give Kiernan and McDonald the same punishment and I would have given them both reds. The one thing no one seems to be talking about is the well society staying quiet about rangers fans sectarianism. Think with fan ownership we should complain the the sfa about flags and songs and constantly mention it horribly atmosphere and with huge protests about trump it's amazing we have a rascist institution in the middle of society. The whole reason to have fans running the club is to do things differently! I have seen a few different angles for Skippys challenge on Miller and its at worst a yellow not as bad as Kiernans but with collum in charge we knew what was coming. As for the sectarianism i agree its a horrible atmosphere when either of the ugly sisters are at Fir park but we can complain all we like the SFA will take no notice and do feck all as they are shit scared of upsetting Rangers or celtic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 They have obviously seen the Green Brigade get away with rioting inside Dens and Tynecastle, singing Roll of Honour every game and hanging effigies and realised that the SFA are never going to punish clubs for the fans behaviour. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 The one thing no one seems to be talking about is the well society staying quiet about rangers fans sectarianism. Think with fan ownership we should complain the the sfa about flags and songs and constantly mention it horribly atmosphere and with huge protests about trump it's amazing we have a rascist institution in the middle of society. The whole reason to have fans running the club is to do things differently! Well, why not, as a member, write to the Society and make these points? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 They have obviously seen the Green Brigade get away with rioting inside Dens and Tynecastle, singing Roll of Honour every game and hanging effigies and realised that the SFA are never going to punish clubs for the fans behaviour. Is that not what caused the fall out between Rangers and BBC/Chris McLaughlin? I think he mentioned the singing in a match report, and they banned him from Ibrox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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