Dezz Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 I really hope Lionel stays. Unbelievably frustrating player but when he's on form he's the type of guy you pay your money to go and see. I hope we offer him some sort of incentive based contract. Basic wage of a squad player with performance related bonuses that will hopefully drag a few more playoff-esq performances out of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 Official website says we are discussing a new contract with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 Unless it's on heavily reduced terms (if you believe the rumors he's on a wedge), I am pretty shocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 Appearances, assists and goals bonuses in a contract for Lionel might just do what we need and inspire him to play to his abilities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 Unless it's on heavily reduced terms (if you believe the rumors he's on a wedge), I am pretty shocked. The whole "highest earner" thing is another one of those "say it often enough and it becomes true" things people love to repeat with nothing to back it up except that other people have already said it. Whether it's true or not, I'm sure you're right that a major restructure is in order. One which might still see him leave anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 In football manager fantasy land I'd offer him an incentive laden contract and hope it cost us a fortune. In reality, I don't see why we would offer him better terms than he's currently on, which I'm sure he could probably get elsewhere, but if he really likes it here it may not matter that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 The whole "highest earner" thing is another one of those "say it often enough and it becomes true" things people love to repeat with nothing to back it up except that other people have already said it. Whether it's true or not, I'm sure you're right that a major restructure is in order. One which might still see him leave anyway. Without knowing any real details I am sure I remember when he last renewed it was on the back of a good few months after 3 months of shite. Then he was said to have been "one of" the highest earners. I don't really doubt that either, whatever his wage he was not worth his last extension IMO but hindsight is a wonderful thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 I think it's quite possible he was in our top salary range, but that's different from asserting it as a fact. Doesn't make any difference now, though. It also reminds me of one of my favourite Far Side cartoons, so that's a bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilmour Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 According to official site we're trying to keep him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 I hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilmour Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Well forward admits he's loving life in Scotland and hopes helping keep the Steelmen in the Premiership is enough to earn him a new contract to stay in Lanarkshire.https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/motherwell-star-lionel-ainsworth-desperate-10441931.amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Well forward admits he's loving life in Scotland and hopes helping keep the Steelmen in the Premiership is enough to earn him a new contract to stay in Lanarkshire. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/motherwell-star-lionel-ainsworth-desperate-10441931.amp I'll reserve judgement until I find out if he signs or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Out of curiosity, I know he was our 4th top scorer with 4 goals (10 starts 20 sub appearances in the league), but is there a record kicking about of how many of our goals Ainsworth either directly or indirectly contributed to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeboy Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Out of curiosity, I know he was our 4th top scorer with 4 goals (10 starts 20 sub appearances in the league), but is there a record kicking about of how many of our goals Ainsworth either directly or indirectly contributed to? I think he only managed two assists this season: 1. McDonald v Ross County (4-1) 2. Cadden v Dundee (2-3) So direct involvement is at 13% of league goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 I think he only managed two assists this season: 1. McDonald v Ross County (4-1) 2. Cadden v Dundee (2-3) So direct involvement is at 13% of league goals. Cheers Joe. Those were the 2 that came to mind, wasn't sure about any others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeboy Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 That puts him 5th behind Moult (20), McDonald (14), Frear ( 8 ), Tait (7) in terms of direct involvement by my reckoning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dezz Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Good stats from Frear considering he can't have played more than 15 or so games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 That puts him 5th behind Moult (20), McDonald (14), Frear ( 8 ), Tait (7) in terms of direct involvement by my reckoning. Interesting if that puts him above Cadden who's essentially playing in the same position and I'd imagine will have far more minutes on the park (though obviously was more WB/RB in the run in). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzyB Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Frear has 7 asists and 1 goal already?? First time I've properly watched the guy in Inverness, great potential for selling on imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Does Frear get an 'assist' for McFadden's goal on Saturday, it was his shot that was tipped on to the bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Does Frear get an 'assist' for McFadden's goal on Saturday, it was his shot that was tipped on to the bar. You can ask the same question about the penalty as it was his through ball to Clay that "won" the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numpty Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 You can ask the same question about the penalty as it was his through ball to Clay that "won" the pen. Depends whose definitions of 'assist' you use, but FIFA's are: An assist was awarded to the player who had given the last pass to the goalscorer. In addition, also the last but two holder of the ball could get an assist provided that his action had decisive importance for the goal . After goals from rebounds those players were awarded an assist who had shot on target. After goals scored on penalty or by a directly converted free-kick the fouled player received a point. In case that the goalscorer had laid on the goal for himself (dribble, solo run), no assists were awarded. No assists were awarded, either, if the goalscorer took advantage of a missed pass by an opponent. Where goals resulting from penalties are concerned, the player who is fouled in the area receives an assist point (unless, that is, the player who is fouled subsequently executes the penalty himself) While Opta's definition simply appears to be: The final pass or pass-cum-shot leading to the recipient of the ball scoring a goal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Assists are one of those American imports they use to make their native sports more interesting and their fantasy sports leagues more profitable. Like all statistics, it has some use in some circumstances, but doesn't come close to giving a complete picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeboy Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Essentially those numbers I put in above count winning free kicks and penalties we directly score from and the likes of Frear's shot drawing Faddy's goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted May 24, 2017 Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Samson must have a fair number of assists, do we count them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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