spudmfc Posted August 8, 2022 Report Share Posted August 8, 2022 1 hour ago, joewarkfanclub said: Why would Mackay or McInnes leave their current positions to come to us? Kilmarnock are a similar size of club as us with a similar size of support but a wealthy benefactor supporting their attempts to become fan owned. Ross County could be argued to be a smaller club and living outwith their means, but they too have a wealthy benefactor who shows no sign of stopping any time soon and has backed Mackay to the hilt. They would be mad to jump ship in the hope that they could sort us out. Its not like we would be paying them any more money or that we have any greater potential. Agree wi u on that,why those 2,there must b equally capable managers in the unemployed list without having t pay some sort of compensation t release the 2 mentioned from there contracts, money that would surely b better spent on player budget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted August 8, 2022 Report Share Posted August 8, 2022 Need new manager asap, I believe some well fans aren't even watching the commonwealth games closing ceremony as it's coming from the Alexander Stadium...cue ...here it comes......Ba Boom!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted August 8, 2022 Report Share Posted August 8, 2022 22 minutes ago, spudmfc said: Agree wi u on that,why those 2,there must b equally capable managers in the unemployed list without having t pay some sort of compensation t release the 2 mentioned from there contracts, money that would surely b better spent on player budget Even if we could afford it, why would they come? They would he off their heads...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggischomper Posted August 8, 2022 Report Share Posted August 8, 2022 I'm another one of those happy clappers that defended Alexander for far too long. However, it became clear over the summer with the lack of signings for positions of need, lack of preparation for Europe, lack of fitness etc etc etc, and now what O'Donnell and Hammell have been saying, that Alexander has been completely unprofessional. Feels like he'd been working his ticket and he's got the outcome he wanted. "Mutual consent". Jesus. Even if he had stayed we were gonna be on the back foot and playing catch up continuously with regards to fitness and signings. The new guy, whoever it is, is on hiding to nothing now and we are in a right sticky wicket. Hopefully the fans can show some understanding (ha ha ha) and show some patience as I reckon the required major surgery won't be happening until Jan. And we all know that only pishy scraps are available then. Sent from my Pixel 6 Pro using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Grew Posted August 8, 2022 Report Share Posted August 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Kmcalpin said: I've no wish to get involved in the convoluted rights ands wrongs of the O'Donnell/Alexander saga, but here's a slightly different take on the issue. SOD seems a decent and sensible sort of guy to me, although I've never met him. However I think some of comments were "inadvisable" shall we say. We all agree that we need to bring fresh faces in to strengthen the team. Very few will argue about that. However, he should not have said that publicly. That will do little for squad unity. Some of his playing colleagues might think "Is it the strikeforce/defence he's referring to. Is he having a dig at me in the press?" What will that do for their confidence? In his position as a senior player, he'd have been better to omit that particular comment. Sure Stevie Hammell has said much the same so why pick on O’Donnell? It’s now becoming obvious that all has not been well on the playing side for quite some time so all we can hope is that whoever gets the manager’s gig can re-unite the players and get the fans back on side again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted August 8, 2022 Report Share Posted August 8, 2022 50 minutes ago, El Grew said: Sure Stevie Hammell has said much the same so why pick on O’Donnell? It’s now becoming obvious that all has not been well on the playing side for quite some time so all we can hope is that whoever gets the manager’s gig can re-unite the players and get the fans back on side again. In that case, Stevie's specific comment about that was also inadvisable. That might not have endeared him to certain players. Yes, there are indications that all might not have been well in the dressing room. We may be putting 2 and 2 together to make 5 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 Possibly both are talking about players who they feel are young and haven’t developed fully yet that need more experienced players to help them rather than saying that some players aren’t good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunderwell Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 It’s not one or the other. Both Alexander and O’Donnell can get tae. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Grew Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 27 minutes ago, wunderwell said: It’s not one or the other. Both Alexander and O’Donnell can get tae. Well that was short but not so sweet. In case you missed the Pony Express, Alexander has gone and if I was Stephen O’Donnell I’d be on the lookout for another club because judging by some of the comments on this forum it’s becoming clear that some of our fans want him gone too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Grew Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 9 hours ago, Kmcalpin said: In that case, Stevie's specific comment about that was also inadvisable. That might not have endeared him to certain players. Yes, there are indications that all might not have been well in the dressing room. We may be putting 2 and 2 together to make 5 though. Sorry if it came across that I was having a pop at you. Far from it. I agree that comments from both parties may have been inadvisable. However in both cases, I sense a great deal of frustration. O’Donnell perhaps because of the way he was treated by the previous manager and that he couldn’t get a game in what is the the worst first team squad I can ever remember seeing at FP and Stevie Hammell because he’s shocked at the state of said first team squad. Past experience shows that teams that get off to a poor start in this league rarely if ever recover and end up playing their football under pressure all season resulting in relegation at worst and the play-off place at best. So for me, I think it’s an unavoidable truth that if we are to stay in the top flight this season we need to identify and play the best players in our squad, few as they maybe, and take steps to get a few others in to to augment these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkyred Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 58 minutes ago, El Grew said: Well that was short but not so sweet. In case you missed the Pony Express, Alexander has gone and if I was Stephen O’Donnell I’d be on the lookout for another club because judging by some of the comments on this forum it’s becoming clear that some of our fans want him gone too! Some of the fans have wanted him gone for a long time, he took some amount of abuse even when he was playing week in week out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last post by: Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 What are the rules around the Motherwell B team? Could Hammell play some of the first choice team in tonights game with East Kilbride in the SPFL Trust Trophy? Would be interesting if that is an option and if so, one that we would consider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 The Alexander/ O'Donnell debate has ran it course now. Regarding SOD I don't quite get a lot of the views but each to their own, definitely had a poor spell last season but I feel with right manager could flourish. As with all clubs you have players that take criticism and others can do no wrong, just my view but I feel that with Van Veen, yes scored lots of goals last season but also done plenty wrong and very selfish and lazy at times, but that is why he is with us and not at a higher level, but at same time when in the mood he is a huge asset. It's all part of being a well fan. COYW. PS. well that was full speech without one joke.......... Knock Knock...(who's there)........lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Balls of Shire Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 17 hours ago, El Grew said: Dictionary definition of ostracise: To avoid someone intentionally or to prevent someone from taking part in the activities of a group. Pretty much think that covers O’Donnell’s treatment. not my definition or understanding of ostracise . anyway hopefully new mgr in soon, give posters something else to talk about and sod the chance to prove to me and others he can play.... .i can remember Robinson criticising him too after the euro game in Israel but that wasnt seen as an issue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 Played correctly there is no doubt Stephen O'Donnell should be an asset to our squad. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Balls of Shire Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 10 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: The Alexander/ O'Donnell debate has ran it course now. Regarding SOD I don't quite get a lot of the views but each to their own, definitely had a poor spell last season but I feel with right manager could flourish. As with all clubs you have players that take criticism and others can do no wrong, just my view but I feel that with Van Veen, yes scored lots of goals last season but also done plenty wrong and very selfish and lazy at times, but that is why he is with us and not at a higher level, but at same time when in the mood he is a huge asset. It's all part of being a well fan. COYW. PS. well that was full speech without one joke.......... Knock Knock...(who's there)........lol too late, posted again before i read this.....lets come up with some names for new manager and get off the sod debate....ill go first....steven odonnell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 hour ago, El Grew said: Sorry if it came across that I was having a pop at you. Far from it. I agree that comments from both parties may have been inadvisable. However in both cases, I sense a great deal of frustration. O’Donnell perhaps because of the way he was treated by the previous manager and that he couldn’t get a game in what is the the worst first team squad I can ever remember seeing at FP and Stevie Hammell because he’s shocked at the state of said first team squad. No problem. Yes, maybe both parties were frustrated - they are human after all and if that was a factor then its quite understandable. Presumabaly a lot has been going on behind closed doors that we were not aware of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 Anyone got inside info on who is being interviewed? I would assume 4 with it being Hammell, Valakari and 2 leftfields that no one has even considered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 28 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Anyone got inside info on who is being interviewed? I would assume 4 with it being Hammell, Valakari and 2 leftfields that no one has even considered I don’t have inside knowledge . Best guess is the other 2 would be Stephen McManus and Paul lambert . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunderwell Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 SOD seems to get better with every post. He's been crap, no doubt. Sure he will live on that England game forever. Shame he was beaten so tamely in the air in the next game against Croatia. Let's not mention that. Comparing him with the likes of Efford, Carroll etc etc is a mute point. All of the comparatives are not good enough either. This is why we are watching this guff. Let's see in the fullness of time, how SOD performs. I'd rather be incorrect that right. So as I said before over to SOD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 Might add a Kevin Thomson into the mix,Darren Ferguson,Paul Lambert maybe and a total outsider a return of....Stuart McCall!You never know. Hopefully we hear by Thursday at the latest as time is against us and we need to push on asap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 Just now, Spit_It_Out said: Might add a Kevin Thomson into the mix,Darren Ferguson,Paul Lambert maybe and a total outsider a return of....Stuart McCall!You never know. Hopefully we hear by Thursday at the latest as time is against us and we need to push on asap. I think you could be right with this . thompson not ruled himself out and to be fair Darren Ferguson has proven at a decent level plus not club hopped too often . What maybe stands against him is coming up from England , similar to GA and others . full respect to the club as much as I want to be I’m the know I respect how tight lipped they are with such things . Be good to confirm soon through Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudmfc Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 hour ago, grizzlyg said: Anyone got inside info on who is being interviewed? I would assume 4 with it being Hammell, Valakari and 2 leftfields that no one has even considered No disrespect t hammell or simo but by all accounts we've had 80 applicants, r these 2 really the cream of who we can pick from, imo any names mentioned is purely speculation and lazy journalism,should have an announcement in the next few days i would hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 19 minutes ago, spudmfc said: No disrespect t hammell or simo but by all accounts we've had 80 applicants, r these 2 really the cream of who we can pick from, imo any names mentioned is purely speculation and lazy journalism,should have an announcement in the next few days i would hope Valakari probably one of very few candidates to actually have won trophies as a manager, albeit a few years back... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudmfc Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 15 minutes ago, MelvinBragg said: Valakari probably one of very few candidates to actually have won trophies as a manager, albeit a few years back... Didnt realise that m8,so he does have the credentials as a manager,i did like his attitude as a player with us way back in the day,has he officially thrown his name in the hat or is it just the same names that crop up anytime we need a new gaffer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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