joewarkfanclub Posted October 16, 2022 Report Share Posted October 16, 2022 Are folks really judging Hammell on todays performance? What choices did he have? What options did he have from the bench? Personally I think we have shown enough so far to suggest we will be fine. January will be important as today has shown how light we are up front when we have a few injuries. I like how he has us playing and Im willing to give him time to get it right. We are mid table right now after a tough run of fixtures. Lets see where we are in January after half the calendar and with Hammell having had the chance to try and get a few more in. As much as I wasnt getting carried away after Ross County, Im not gonna get suicidal after defeats feom Celtic and Rangers. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted October 16, 2022 Report Share Posted October 16, 2022 17 minutes ago, wellgirl said: That would be Graham Alexander who got us to fifth last season and it wasn't enough for some fans? Hammell has been dealt a poor hand? Should Burrows and the board not take some responsibility for not acting sooner if the Alexander appointment wasn't working? Come on. We can't just blame Alexander for this mess. Let's not scapegoat him No need to scapegoat him. Hammell has the same players playing much better football with a marginal difference in results. That speaks for itself. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted October 16, 2022 Report Share Posted October 16, 2022 24 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Agree. Said at the beginning I thought he was the wrong choice. Apparently its still all Alexander's fault that we aren't playing well? Because it was his team? Completely disagree. Alexander came in and inherited Robbos team and kept us up and got us to fifth and I completely understand it. We were playing poor football under Alexander and the relationship between him and some of the fans had broken down but seriously. Every week I go on twitter and Facebook and all I see is, results will come and we are playing good football. Good football means zero when you are in a relegation scrap. We absolutely appointed on sentiment and it's not working. I seriously hope he proves me wrong but at this point I don't think he will . And if Hammell didn't have enough time in the transfer window due to the late appointment you can blame that on the board for dragging the situation out. Seriously just no. Last season and the way Alexander went was hard enough. We deserve better considering how expensive it is to go to a game when you are on a low income (and I'm one of these people). Are you okay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted October 16, 2022 Report Share Posted October 16, 2022 3 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said: Are folks really judging Hammell on todays performance? What choices did he have? What options did he have from the bench? Personally I think we have shown enough so far to suggest we will be fine. January will be important as today has shown how light we are up front when we have a few injuries. I like how he has us playing and Im willing to give him time to get it right. We are mid table right now after a tough run of fixtures. Lets see where we are in January after half the calendar and with Hammell having had the chance to try and get a few more in. As much as I wasnt getting carried away after Ross County, Im not gonna get suicidal after defeats feom Celtic and Rangers. No, I don't think anyone is judging Stevie on the basis of todays result. Yorkyred, for example, wrote " regardless that’s one win in six now". I referred to the Kilmarnock game. To put matters in context, we are in the midst of a very difficult run of fixtures just now. However our continuing weaknesses are obvious for all to see. The result today was expected; we had injuries, but given pre match talk of the players being happier and freer to express themslves I really thought we'd get wired in to Sevco, show no fear and get in their faces.....but ultimately still get beat. We couldn't do that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted October 16, 2022 Report Share Posted October 16, 2022 Sorry but he had a month to get proper players in and it's hardly he wasn't about the first team or know what was needed. So he brings in Moult which has been a disaster pointless signing it is beyond baffling and Aarons who has spent more time on the treatment table than on the pitch.Two unforgivable wastes of resources that should have never been giving the go ahead. If Robinson or Alexander had done that folk be foaming at the mouth. We need to do so something cause slowly starting to grind to halt.I would just try different a formation but I 100 percent think two up front needs to happen KVV and someone see how it goes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkyred Posted October 16, 2022 Report Share Posted October 16, 2022 28 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: Are folks really judging Hammell on todays performance? What choices did he have? What options did he have from the bench? Personally I think we have shown enough so far to suggest we will be fine. January will be important as today has shown how light we are up front when we have a few injuries. I like how he has us playing and Im willing to give him time to get it right. We are mid table right now after a tough run of fixtures. Lets see where we are in January after half the calendar and with Hammell having had the chance to try and get a few more in. As much as I wasnt getting carried away after Ross County, Im not gonna get suicidal after defeats feom Celtic and Rangers. Absolutely not although I still maintain that was as poor a Rangers team as will will probably face in many years to come. I’m certainly not writing him off by any means, I hope he comes good. I am however under no illusions that we need to pick up more points and regardless of his background with the club the home form for one needs to improve quickly. Football is a ruthless business and this club can’t afford to be relegated. Previous managers would have been slaughtered after that line up and performance, he does not get a free pass forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzyB Posted October 16, 2022 Report Share Posted October 16, 2022 Can’t believe I’ve just read the phrase “relegation dogfight” after losing 2-0 to Rangers. Same old shite. We were pish today but if anyone genuinely thinks we will be relegated then give yourself a shake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie73 Posted October 16, 2022 Report Share Posted October 16, 2022 Thought we looked slow all over the park today, that was a poor Rangers side there for the taking, Ref didn’t help today, his game was dictated by their players, Tillman had about 8 fouls and a dive in the box with no card, Goss booked for time wasting when Macgregor done it all game, and Cornelius booked for first tackle, icing was stopping our break forward for a head knock when the guy got straight up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted October 16, 2022 Report Share Posted October 16, 2022 1 hour ago, wellgirl said: Agree. Said at the beginning I thought he was the wrong choice. Apparently its still all Alexander's fault that we aren't playing well? Because it was his team? Completely disagree. Alexander came in and inherited Robbos team and kept us up and got us to fifth and I completely understand it. We were playing poor football under Alexander and the relationship between him and some of the fans had broken down but seriously. Every week I go on twitter and Facebook and all I see is, results will come and we are playing good football. Good football means zero when you are in a relegation scrap. We absolutely appointed on sentiment and it's not working. I seriously hope he proves me wrong but at this point I don't think he will . And if Hammell didn't have enough time in the transfer window due to the late appointment you can blame that on the board for dragging the situation out. Seriously just no. Last season and the way Alexander went was hard enough. We deserve better considering how expensive it is to go to a game when you are on a low income (and I'm one of these people). If you expect to get value for money every game watching football and a team like Motherwell. Your watching the wrong sport . Paying more money doesnt mean success. Hammel is doing fine with what hes got . You can please some of the people some of the time. But not all of the people all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeldrew Posted October 16, 2022 Report Share Posted October 16, 2022 Losing by a single goal to Rangers isn't exactly one of the worst results in our history. I find it bizarre anyone thinking this is a bad Rangers side. Why? Because they're getting pumped in the Champions League. They've lost once in the league, and that was to Celtic. Well, we were hammered by Sligo Rovers not so long ago. The gulf in player quality between them and us has probably never been bigger and we are missing a few starters. How long ago was it that we beat Ross County by five and everyone was raving about it. I think we're solid enough in a league full of at least eight very poor teams. Also, on Moult. Anyone saying he was pointless signing seems a little hysterical. I'm sure we all wanted him to start by now but there's a long season ahead with a six-week break in the middle. There's plenty of time to make differences to player fitness and style of play. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted October 16, 2022 Report Share Posted October 16, 2022 19 minutes ago, stv said: If you expect to get value for money every game watching football and a team like Motherwell. Your watching the wrong sport . Paying more money doesnt mean success. Hammel is doing fine with what hes got . You can please some of the people some of the time. But not all of the people all the time. Just out of curiosity when do you draw the line in the sand with Hammel when it's not fine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted October 16, 2022 Report Share Posted October 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Robbos boy said: Really wanted to see Kings last man tackle again, but with 2 x gers summing up the RBC probably thought better. They covered it at the end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Balls of Shire Posted October 16, 2022 Report Share Posted October 16, 2022 6 hours ago, Casagolda said: You are responding to someone saying Cornelius should start ahead of Tierney. Why do that if your point had nothing to do with Tierney? Ok maybe time to give Cornelius a run but I've not seen a lot so far that says he should be a starter. Hammell seems to feel the same at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted October 16, 2022 Report Share Posted October 16, 2022 After 1 round of fixtures we are 4 off of third place and 4 off of bottom place. I think we are doing fine. I’m general much better viewing and I’m sure we will improve under Stevie. And finish closer to third than bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Spit_It_Out said: Just out of curiosity when do you draw the line in the sand with Hammel when it's not fine? Certainly not after just 11 games. Some people need to get real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 Watched highlights to see if goals were as bad as I first thought to then discover they were worse!!!. The first goal is an absolute joke with 5 of our players not capable of putting in a challenge. The 2nd yet another howler from big bevis as nowhere near his man. He is a cracking big guy but hopefully Lamie injury not bad as if we are having to rely on Sol and Bevis as a partnership it really gives me the fear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 Given that we started Morris, McKinstery and Tierney it's not really a surprise we didn't create anything. Signing Arrons and Moult looked like an obvious error at the time and it's turned out exactly as you would expect. If Hammell keeps trying to pretend that Tierney is a real footballer serious questions will need to be asked. We looked a poorly coached team yesterday. Goss's booking for timewasting pretty much cost us the opening goal as he couldn't make a challenge on Tillman. The defending from the set piece for the second was a joke, Van Veen waiting for the ball rather than attacking it. Our own set plays were very poor and not shooting on the last free kick was criminal when McGregor really struggles with anything over shoulder height. Big Sol played really well but apart from that it wasn't anywhere near good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkyred Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 29 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Watched highlights to see if goals were as bad as I first thought to then discover they were worse!!!. The first goal is an absolute joke with 5 of our players not capable of putting in a challenge. The 2nd yet another howler from big bevis as nowhere near his man. He is a cracking big guy but hopefully Lamie injury not bad as if we are having to rely on Sol and Bevis as a partnership it really gives me the fear Yes I’m afraid it was bad. I do understand the posts stating that Rangers are on a different level to us financially but we were our own worst enemy, we’ve taken draws against Rangers teams that we’re far superior to yesterdays. It’s also a mental attitude thing with Rangers, as badly as they play I never get the impression we believe we can actually take them on and win, we never had a better chance to do that in my view. Unless we have a day like one or two other teams have had against old firm where they put that fear to one side we will be another 20 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 Do we know what the injuries are to Efford, Moult and Spittal? I've not seen anything say what has happened or how long they will be out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, steelboy said: We looked a poorly coached team yesterday. Goss's booking for timewasting pretty much cost us the opening goal as he couldn't make a challenge on Tillman. What a load of shite blaming Goss for their 1st goal ffs there were another 4 players who were not willing to take a yellow for the team and bring Tillman down. That's why we keep losing games because we're not streetwise enough to realise when the odd "tactical foul" is required. If we had done that yesterday I reckon we would have taken something from that game as their 1st goal gave them a boost they never deserved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couttsy Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 I really think we need to keep a sense of perspective on how things have gone so far under Stevie H. Whilst Rangers were poor yesterday, Van B hasn’t lost a league game to anyone other than Celtic since he took over. As many have said Stevie inherited a mess of a squad that had just be beaten twice by Sligo Rovers! In terms of defeats this season we have lost to the Old Firm, Hibs & Hearts, Kilmarnock away and St Johnstone at home. With St Johnstone at home being the only one we would have been favourites to win! We’ve beaten St Mirren, Livi, Aberdeen and Ross C, with probably only the Livi game seeing us as favourites to win! By the end of Feb I think we’ll have an idea of how things are going to play out. Like most I don’t think we have enough goals to make top 6 (unless Louis can get fit and stay fit) but I also don’t think we’re poor enough to end up in a relegation scrap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coatsy Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 14 hours ago, Stevie73 said: Thought we looked slow all over the park today, that was a poor Rangers side there for the taking, Ref didn’t help today, his game was dictated by their players, Tillman had about 8 fouls and a dive in the box with no card, Goss booked for time wasting when Macgregor done it all game, and Cornelius booked for first tackle, icing was stopping our break forward for a head knock when the guy got straight up. Our time wasting at that free kick deserved to get more than Goss booked it was ridiculous no complaints from me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, couttsy said: I really think we need to keep a sense of perspective on how things have gone so far under Stevie H. Whilst Rangers were poor yesterday, Van B hasn’t lost a league game to anyone other than Celtic since he took over. As many have said Stevie inherited a mess of a squad that had just be beaten twice by Sligo Rovers! In terms of defeats this season we have lost to the Old Firm, Hibs & Hearts, Kilmarnock away and St Johnstone at home. With St Johnstone at home being the only one we would have been favourites to win! We’ve beaten St Mirren, Livi, Aberdeen and Ross C, with probably only the Livi game seeing us as favourites to win! By the end of Feb I think we’ll have an idea of how things are going to play out. Like most I don’t think we have enough goals to make top 6 (unless Louis can get fit and stay fit) but I also don’t think we’re poor enough to end up in a relegation scrap. I think before the start of the world cup we are going to find out how it's going to play out never mind end of February.1 home win 3 goals scored at home all season(1 own goal) isn't really good enough we can all the excuses under the sun but this squad is no better or worse than any other team it all comes down to setting the team up properly and weakness has proved we didn't strengthen up front properly we signed two very injury prone players that's came back to haunt us big time. Something is not clicking somewhere has the effort went up?100 percent but effort does not win you games scoring more goals than the other team does. 14 goals this season 7 have came from open play,5 pens and 2 own goals. I never thought we would miss Efford but we really could have done with him yesterday might have even got something out the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Spiderpig said: What a load of shite blaming Goss for their 1st goal ffs there were another 4 players who were not willing to take a yellow for the team and bring Tillman down. That's why we keep losing games because we're not streetwise enough to realise when the odd "tactical foul" is required. If we had done that yesterday I reckon we would have taken something from that game as their 1st goal gave them a boost they never deserved. Goss would have taken a booking if he wasn't on a yellow. My point was that the idiocy at the free kick in the first half contributed to us losing the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
middleeastdave Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 I honestly don’t think we are a bad side we certainly have good players, obviously our defence let us down again yesterday but the 11 games we have played for the first round of fixtures I think we only had one bad second half performance against Killie and possibly the St Johnstone last minute of the game, the Hearts game god knows how we lost that game never mind loose 3 goals, but the rest of the games we never really out of the games and to have a 0 goal difference is quite an achievement considering we have lost 6 of the 11 games played. my main concern now is the injury list and no signs of any coming back soon? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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