texanwellfan Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 I’m not saying his task is easy at the moment when u r missing about 7 starters but we are capable of much better performances with the group of players currently at his disposal he has to manage us through this period till we can get back to full strength although full strength will not include McGinn for this season Ox, McGinn, Gordon, Miller, Seddon, Paton, Stam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clackscat Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 I've been critical of our fans for many years, but in the case of SK, I think barring the usual inarticulate numpties on fb and twitter, by and large those on here and P&B have been pretty measured in responses during last years bad run and this most recent situation. I do think though that Saturday's reaction has been on the cards for a wee while but I also think SK has also become a bit of a lightning rod for what has been an abysmal 6 years or so since Robbo held his hands up then GA sucked the life out the place, and Hammell's ill fated tenure. Apart from the Spittal/Bair purple patch, there has been no excitement in watching our team for a long time. I like SK, and he has a lot of credit in the bank for getting us clear of relegation, keeping calm, keeping the dressing room, and guiding us clear of trouble the following year. The support deserves credit also for by and large sticking with him during that spell. However a lot of goodwill was used up, and the signs are there that he is not responding well to the difficulties this season, the well documented injury situation, his pressers have been more downbeat, criticism of players/team more regular, a passive inflexible tactical set up, poor haphazard recruitment, and the constant yellow/red cards is doing no one any favours, but indication that he is feeling the heat. He must at the moment feel the world is against him and Saturday's (justified btw) fan reaction will have cut deep. The rumours of dressing room issues add to the problems he faces. He needs help and I find myself wondering what his assistant and our 'army' of coaches are bringing to the table. I hope for his sake and ours he can turn this round, but it would need such a change in approach that in my heart of hearts I can't see it. When you lose the support its only a matter of time, and seeing negative comments from fair minded folks previously supportive on here and Pie&B says to me he needs to arrest this slide starting Saturday or rightly or wrongly things will become toxic at matches benefitting none of us. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 21 minutes ago, Clackscat said: He needs help and I find myself wondering what his assistant and our 'army' of coaches are bringing to the table. History has shown that, for the most part, Kettlewell is the architect of his own downfall. The saying "If a man can't help himself, no one will" comes to mind here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan91 Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 Manager coming under a lot of unfair criticism in my opinion. Yes we aren't a great watch, but who would be with our budget and injury list? I'd also like to hear who the "Kettlewell out" campaigners would take in place of him because in my opinion there's nobody out there who would take the job and do better for what we are able to pay and give as a transfer budget. The bottom line is without investment we are being left behind by other clubs in the premier league and we are contrary to what others think are doing well competing with sides who are spending a shed load more money on us per month - that's testament to the manager and his staff. Those criticising his decisions on Saturday clearly fail to see that at HT when he brought O'Donnell and Sparrow on we went to a back 4 and pushed Kaleta into midfield, so for anyone to say he was still playing 5 defenders is baffling. Also, those critisising the substitution of Sam Nicholson who was indeed our best player on the park, need to realise he got kicked u and down by St Johnstone and has only actually played about 40 mins of football all season so was never lasting the full 90 mins plus extra time had we managed it. I agree Kettlewell's stuborness of continuously setting us up from the start to not lose and then we lose is frustrating and will probably be detrimental to his job in future, the same stubborness his predecessors also encountered but he certainly hasn;t lost the dressing room like Hammell and Alexander did so we should rally round him and try and get the team back to winning ways. As a side note, who would people realistically want in to replace him? I hear the same names all the time from the stands, Yogi Hughes, Steven Naismith, Liam Fox, Tam Courts, Rhys McCabe - sorry none of them will do a better job than Kettlewell in my opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 We have enough fit players the now to change the formation a bit and have a go from the off if he at least tried that and we lost I don't think folk we be that bothered tbh. I just don't get what Kettlewell has seen to suggest to continue this way it doesn't make sense we are not playing to the abilities of the players we have left that's fit. That left wing right now is so weak any team with any one with pace that can play down the left will murder us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 1 hour ago, texanwellfan said: Fair point but I think most fans are not so much concerned about our position or what we have achieved but rather they are looking at the rest of the season ahead and are rightly worried about where we are going to end up. We need the club/manager to be proactive and change things for the better now. Don’t wait till we are deep in trouble and then make changes. Those changes could be tactics, attitude, formation, team selection or whatever. SK is the guy getting paid to figure out the best changes. Absolutely, he’s the one responsible for securing the wins we need to get things back on track. No debate about that. At the moment, I’m relatively calm about the situation. If we were at full strength, with our best XI on the pitch, and still performing poorly, then I’d be seriously concerned. But I think things will balance out as players begin to return to the squad. What I will say is that before Miller, Oxborough, Stama, and McGinn (yet again) picked up injuries, I genuinely thought we had a chance of pushing for a top-six finish. Given the extent of the injuries we’ve sustained and the time these players are expected to be sidelined, I reckon we’re more likely to finish around 7th or 8th. Not ideal, but it’s far from disastrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 14 minutes ago, Wellfan91 said: Yes we aren't a great watch, but who would be with our budget and injury list? Kettlewell has been given the budget to run a 28 man first team squad this season, not including those out on loan, so I would suggest that the budget argument can be dismissed as not being a limiting factor this season. Also, there are many injuries, but he still has 19 first team players available to work with. If he can't get a tune out of them, then he's in the wrong job. 14 minutes ago, Wellfan91 said: The bottom line is without investment we are being left behind by other clubs in the premier league and we are contrary to what others think are doing well competing with sides who are spending a shed load more money on us per month I did wonder how long it would take for someone to trot out the 'without investment' line. You've also managed to completely contradict yourself in what you've said here. That is, are we being left behind or are we doing well competing with other more financially liberal clubs? It can't be both. 19 minutes ago, Wellfan91 said: I agree Kettlewell's stuborness of continuously setting us up from the start to not lose and then we lose is frustrating and will probably be detrimental to his job in future, the same stubborness his predecessors also encountered but he certainly hasn;t lost the dressing room like Hammell and Alexander did so we should rally round him and try and get the team back to winning ways. The body language of some of the players at the weekend, as well as some of the subsequent rumours about disharmony, would suggest that he's well on the way to losing the dressing room. I think the tipping point has likely already been reached. On the rallying round point; what do you think that massive away support at the weekend was?! We're witnessing the most stubborn of busted flushes take himself and the team down with him. 23 minutes ago, Wellfan91 said: As a side note, who would people realistically want in to replace him? Is hoping for someone with at least some semblance of tactical nous too much to ask for? Who that is is up to the current Board to seek out. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan91 Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 17 minutes ago, wellfan said: Kettlewell has been given the budget to run a 28 man first team squad this season, not including those out on loan, so I would suggest that the budget argument can be dismissed as not being a limiting factor this season. Also, there are many injuries, but he still has 19 first team players available to work with. If he can't get a tune out of them, then he's in the wrong job. I did wonder how long it would take for someone to trot out the 'without investment' line. You've also managed to completely contradict yourself in what you've said here. That is, are we being left behind or are we doing well competing with other more financially liberal clubs? It can't be both. The body language of some of the players at the weekend, as well as some of the subsequent rumours about disharmony, would suggest that he's well on the way to losing the dressing room. I think the tipping point has likely already been reached. On the rallying round point; what do you think that massive away support at the weekend was?! We're witnessing the most stubborn of busted flushes take himself and the team down with him. Is hoping for someone with at least some semblance of tactical nous too much to ask for? Who that is is up to the current Board to seek out. He might have been given the budget to run a 28 man squad but let's face the facts, Motherwell aren't going to be ever be in a position to sign 28 players worthy of being first team regulars and standouts - he has assembled a squad of maybe 15/16 who I think are good enough to play every week however most of them are injured - purely bad luck, not because of the manager. Not contradicting myself, I'm stating a fact that without investment we are getting left behind off and on the pitch and we are punching above our weight by being ahead of teams spending more money than us, because the manager is doing a decent job with what he has at his disposal. As you say, rumours of disharmony, nothing confirmed on that front and don't expect it to be - let's face it on Saturday and a few recent games how many times have you sat there and watched Casey punt the ball high into the air only to come straight back to us, or thunder a 5yd pass off his teammates chest giving him no chance, his distribution is terrible so if rumours are true and Kettlewell dug him up for it at HT on Saturday then well done SK, if Casey can't accept criticism amidst rumours of him going to Hearts then let him go, nobody is bigger than the club. Be careful what you wish for is all I will say on that - Everyone wanted Simo in, with the exception of Saturday his team have been rotten and are likely to be playing Championship football next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc88 Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 Has SK done good things with us? Yes. Is SK going to get us relegated anytime soon? Probably not. Is he the man to take the club forward, next season and beyond? Not for me. Our performance in most away games this season and also (the one that hurts the most) the semi final is basically the blueprint of why not for me. Set up to contain/ not lose and surrendering 65+% possession each game, regardless of opponent. Feels we are simply making up the numbers i.e. doing enough but with very little to shout about. Compare the SF this season to the two SFs and even cup final performances in 17/18 - they are world's apart. I think most would agree on the first 2 points. I'd be interested to hear why he is the man to take the club forward? And what can we achieve with SK in charge? Its all good discussion btw ✌️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Dosser Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 2 hours ago, Clackscat said: I've been critical of our fans for many years, but in the case of SK, I think barring the usual inarticulate numpties on fb and twitter, by and large those on here and P&B have been pretty measured in responses during last years bad run and this most recent situation. I do think though that Saturday's reaction has been on the cards for a wee while but I also think SK has also become a bit of a lightning rod for what has been an abysmal 6 years or so since Robbo held his hands up then GA sucked the life out the place, and Hammell's ill fated tenure. Apart from the Spittal/Bair purple patch, there has been no excitement in watching our team for a long time. I like SK, and he has a lot of credit in the bank for getting us clear of relegation, keeping calm, keeping the dressing room, and guiding us clear of trouble the following year. The support deserves credit also for by and large sticking with him during that spell. However a lot of goodwill was used up, and the signs are there that he is not responding well to the difficulties this season, the well documented injury situation, his pressers have been more downbeat, criticism of players/team more regular, a passive inflexible tactical set up, poor haphazard recruitment, and the constant yellow/red cards is doing no one any favours, but indication that he is feeling the heat. He must at the moment feel the world is against him and Saturday's (justified btw) fan reaction will have cut deep. The rumours of dressing room issues add to the problems he faces. He needs help and I find myself wondering what his assistant and our 'army' of coaches are bringing to the table. I hope for his sake and ours he can turn this round, but it would need such a change in approach that in my heart of hearts I can't see it. When you lose the support its only a matter of time, and seeing negative comments from fair minded folks previously supportive on here and Pie&B says to me he needs to arrest this slide starting Saturday or rightly or wrongly things will become toxic at matches benefitting none of us. A balanced assessment which pretty much sums up my feelings at the moment. If SK can learn from this low point and show an ability to change then he can survive. If he stubbornly sticks to a no Plan B mentality then the next few months will be difficult, and unsustainable if he has truly lost the support and the dressing-room. A team with no Plan B is very easy to play against, as Mr Postecoglu is discovering at the moment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 1 minute ago, Happy Dosser said: A balanced assessment which pretty much sums up my feelings at the moment. If SK can learn from this low point and show an ability to change then he can survive. If he stubbornly sticks to a no Plan B mentality then the next few months will be difficult, and unsustainable if he has truly lost the support and the dressing-room. A team with no Plan B is very easy to play against, as Mr Postecoglu is discovering at the moment. Exactly this. Simo knew exactly how we were going to play on Saturday, regardless of the personnel and he set his team up accordingly with a high press, knowing our 3 x CBs wouldnt be able to cope with it and would end up hoofing it long. SK has shown that he is willing and the players are capable of changing things up later in games. He needs to change what we are doing from the start and pose teams different questions. We are currently less than the sum of our parts. He needs to find a way to build a better collective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 3 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: He needs to change what we are doing from the start and pose teams different questions. I think that him drastically changing his starting formation would be tantamount to him admitting he’s been getting it wrong for a while, and I just don’t think he’s got that in him. He has shown, with Bair for example, that he’s got an attitude of needing to be proven right in his decision making. It’s something he constantly reminds us of as he publicly ‘hangs his hat’ on things. However, if he goes 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 at the weekend, I’ll eat my hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 1 hour ago, Wellfan91 said: He might have been given the budget to run a 28 man squad but let's face the facts, Motherwell aren't going to be ever be in a position to sign 28 players worthy of being first team regulars and standouts - he has assembled a squad of maybe 15/16 who I think are good enough to play every week however most of them are injured - purely bad luck, not because of the manager. Not contradicting myself, I'm stating a fact that without investment we are getting left behind off and on the pitch and we are punching above our weight by being ahead of teams spending more money than us, because the manager is doing a decent job with what he has at his disposal. As you say, rumours of disharmony, nothing confirmed on that front and don't expect it to be - let's face it on Saturday and a few recent games how many times have you sat there and watched Casey punt the ball high into the air only to come straight back to us, or thunder a 5yd pass off his teammates chest giving him no chance, his distribution is terrible so if rumours are true and Kettlewell dug him up for it at HT on Saturday then well done SK, if Casey can't accept criticism amidst rumours of him going to Hearts then let him go, nobody is bigger than the club. Be careful what you wish for is all I will say on that - Everyone wanted Simo in, with the exception of Saturday his team have been rotten and are likely to be playing Championship football next season. What if kettlewell didnt dig him up bout passing etc, but casey asked kettlewell bout our stupid set up that wasnt working n SK didnt like it ( cause heez a stubborn barsteward ) just askin for ma pal Dan , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star sail Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 1 hour ago, mfc88 said: Its all good discussion btw ✌️ It's not though. What we often forget is that there is a human being on the other end of this discussion, who is working really hard for the club and who has saved us from relegation in the last two seasons. This thread was started very early in SK's tenure and has trundled on throughout his time at the helm. We are talking about a guy who has a career to build, a family to feed and who is an honest hard worker professional who has done well for this club. The appetite to sack managers is generally distasteful and it is really easy to be smart ( and often anonymous) on a football forum. I am not referencing you in this mfc88, just quoting your last sentence. Sacking manager threads should surface in times when a team is in turmoil. This team is not in turmoil and yet there are fans hell bent on creating instability and a false sense of turmoil. It seems that this is now as much a part of the entertainment as the football itself. I think SK deserves a bit more respect. He has earned it. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 41 minutes ago, star sail said: It's not though. What we often forget is that there is a human being on the other end of this discussion, who is working really hard for the club and who has saved us from relegation in the last two seasons. This thread was started very early in SK's tenure and has trundled on throughout his time at the helm. We are talking about a guy who has a career to build, a family to feed and who is an honest hard worker professional who has done well for this club. The appetite to sack managers is generally distasteful and it is really easy to be smart ( and often anonymous) on a football forum. I am not referencing you in this mfc88, just quoting your last sentence. Sacking manager threads should surface in times when a team is in turmoil. This team is not in turmoil and yet their are fans hell bent on creating instability and a false sense of turmoil. It seems that this is now as much a part of the entertainment as the football itself. I think SK deserves a bit more respect. He has earned it. This forum is exactly the type of place for these discussions to be had by fans. The whole concept of sharing opinions and information on topics of shared interest is the very reason why such fora exist. At the end of the day, this is a ‘fans’ forum, and nobody is forcing the manager or players to read our thoughts. This is not the open terracing where folk often shout unnecessary and viscous crap at people trying to do their jobs, which is a whole different story. So, if robust and colourful debate on the suitability of Kettlewell as manager is too much for some, then that’s not the problem of the forum, it’s your problem. 6 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 Ill go out on a limb tonight and bet neither Dundee or Dundee Utd will serve up the eye bleeding shite we do, because neither Goodwin or Docherty would be interested in playing the brutal tactics we employ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star sail Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 On 1/11/2025 at 5:36 PM, wellfan said: Get him to fuck. Is this what you mean by colourful and robust. Each to their own. I don't think I have a problem if all I am suggesting is that the manager of the team we support be treated with a little more respect, particularly when he has contributed significantly towards keeping us in the top division. As you well know, social media is powerful, perhaps more powerful than the man shouting obscenities from the stand and it can create a tone, positive or negative, supportive or toxic, that can influence outcomes. Steelmen Online does not exist in a vacuum. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 11 minutes ago, star sail said: Is this what you mean by colourful and robust. Each to their own. It’s exactly what I mean. I’ve also called him a donkey on here on several occasions and described him as having the tactical nous of a cabbage or something similar. On the topic of respect, I’m sure Kettlewell has said worse things to some referees lately, hence him receiving several yellow and red cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 8 hours ago, santheman said: A bit off tangent but in a similar vein, did St Johnstone fans not hold a demonstration outside the main stand at their last home game (although that might have been against the board and not the manager). Hearts held a similar demonstration I'm sure as well as the recent walk out by the Rangers mob. If fans aren't moaning about what's happening on the field then they're moaning about what's happening off it. That's what happens when football is overpriced ,when fans that go to games get overlooked for tv deals , var is introduced wasting fans match day experience and when fans feel they have been overlooked. It leaves folk disgruntled in general Paying over the odds for something we are not getting and being over looked. Fans now want instant success 🙌 if it's not forth comming protest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 4 hours ago, star sail said: It's not though. What we often forget is that there is a human being on the other end of this discussion, who is working really hard for the club and who has saved us from relegation in the last two seasons. This thread was started very early in SK's tenure and has trundled on throughout his time at the helm. We are talking about a guy who has a career to build, a family to feed and who is an honest hard worker professional who has done well for this club. The appetite to sack managers is generally distasteful and it is really easy to be smart ( and often anonymous) on a football forum. I am not referencing you in this mfc88, just quoting your last sentence. Sacking manager threads should surface in times when a team is in turmoil. This team is not in turmoil and yet there are fans hell bent on creating instability and a false sense of turmoil. It seems that this is now as much a part of the entertainment as the football itself. I think SK deserves a bit more respect. He has earned it. I normally enjoy your posts as they are always thoughtful and well reasoned, but I think you are off the mark with this one. The manager and the team may or may not be in turmoil, I would say thats quite a subjective assessment. But things in the garden are certainly not rosy. We have a squad with 9 injured players, several of them long term, a situation which has been pretty much ever present since the start of the season. The team is misfiring badly and is struggling to create any meaningful chances, far less score consistently. We cant keep a clean sheet. We have a manager who is wedded to a system he doesnt have the players to implement and shows no sign of changing it. The style of football has been terrible for large parts of the season and we just got knocked out of the cup by the worst team in the league without so much as a whimper. Ive defended SK on here for the most part as there has been plenty of mitigation for performances and the circumstances he has had to face. We ARE still in a reasonably healthy position in the league, and until that changes he does deserve the opportunity to turn things around. But lets not pretend its a conversation that shouldnt be happening, because its getting talked about plenty in the stands and in the pubs. Thats not to say the discourse surrounding the subject cant be more respectful. But we shouldnt be comparing this place to Twitter or Facebook. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 SK is approaching where managers go past their sell by date at a club like ours. We saw it with managers that we look back relatively kindly on, such as McCall and Robinson, and even mclean. You do well, but either get picked off by a bigger club (how fucking dare you), or you stay long enough to run out of luck/funds to take it any further, and you either quit or get sacked. The number of injuries and player sales/leaving under SK during his tenure seems to have him speed running towards this, In addition, at clubs where winning something or signing big names isn't likely, changing the manager is pretty much the only interesting thing that can happen. As such, that's where most folk are going to go when things aren't great. There's little interest in a manager building something over a number of years, or just maintaining a level of stability, because that's fucking boring. Despite "10th and a cup run" being the mantra of many a 'Well fan, the reality is that's just not acceptable by a large portion of our fanbase. A cup run is dismissed if we don't win it, and by its nature, 10th is flirting with relegation, and involves losing more games than you win, which is unforgivable. Now, we could finish mid table, but that has to come with entertaining football, which no one can define. FWIW, I don't believe Simo did anything to out-think SK, they just played the way they have been under him, as he is also a one trick pony, fortunately for him his trick worked against us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc88 Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 17 hours ago, star sail said: It's not though. What we often forget is that there is a human being on the other end of this discussion, who is working really hard for the club and who has saved us from relegation in the last two seasons. This thread was started very early in SK's tenure and has trundled on throughout his time at the helm. We are talking about a guy who has a career to build, a family to feed and who is an honest hard worker professional who has done well for this club. The appetite to sack managers is generally distasteful and it is really easy to be smart ( and often anonymous) on a football forum. I am not referencing you in this mfc88, just quoting your last sentence. Sacking manager threads should surface in times when a team is in turmoil. This team is not in turmoil and yet there are fans hell bent on creating instability and a false sense of turmoil. It seems that this is now as much a part of the entertainment as the football itself. I think SK deserves a bit more respect. He has earned it. It was just a throwaway statement to end my post tbh. I get your point but football management is a volatile career in the public eye, and going to be open to scrutiny. SK knows that. I don't think it's unreasonable to discuss the team or manager constructively from a fans perspective on here, as long as its in the right manner. I note a few posters mentioning overly aggressive words directed at him on social media - I tend not to pay attention to that, but 100% that is not on. For the record, I don't want to come across as disrespectful towards SK, and I've acknowledged the positives of his reign in previous posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 22 hours ago, texanwellfan said: Fair point but I think most fans are not so much concerned about our position or what we have achieved but rather they are looking at the rest of the season ahead and are rightly worried about where we are going to end up. We need the club/manager to be proactive and change things for the better now. Don’t wait till we are deep in trouble and then make changes. Those changes could be tactics, attitude, formation, team selection or whatever. SK is the guy getting paid to figure out the best changes. Spot on. Sums up my feelings exactly. Current performance is the worry. Focusing on an early season SF and our current league position would be a lot more meaningful if the current signs were also positive. But they are far from positive. It speaks volumes that many fans who were fully supportive of SK throughout last season’s bad run, myself included, are now expressing serious doubts. It is not just those that took an irrational immediate dislike to him that are voicing their concerns on here and at games. Saturday is huge. Result aside, SK and the players need to show that they have it within them to get back on track. Give us something to believe in. Please! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star sail Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 20 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said: I normally enjoy your posts as they are always thoughtful and well reasoned, but I think you are off the mark with this one. The manager and the team may or may not be in turmoil, I would say thats quite a subjective assessment. But things in the garden are certainly not rosy. We have a squad with 9 injured players, several of them long term, a situation which has been pretty much ever present since the start of the season. The team is misfiring badly and is struggling to create any meaningful chances, far less score consistently. We cant keep a clean sheet. We have a manager who is wedded to a system he doesnt have the players to implement and shows no sign of changing it. The style of football has been terrible for large parts of the season and we just got knocked out of the cup by the worst team in the league without so much as a whimper. Ive defended SK on here for the most part as there has been plenty of mitigation for performances and the circumstances he has had to face. We ARE still in a reasonably healthy position in the league, and until that changes he does deserve the opportunity to turn things around. But lets not pretend its a conversation that shouldnt be happening, because its getting talked about plenty in the stands and in the pubs. Thats not to say the discourse surrounding the subject cant be more respectful. But we shouldnt be comparing this place to Twitter or Facebook. Thank you for the first comment. I maybe did not make myself very clear with my comment. It was in response to the very last line of mfc88's post when he said words to the effect that all debate was good. I don't have any issue with there being a discussion about the managers performance or the teams performance. That is what this forum is for. There is no doubt that there is problems to address and the style of football can be questioned. I was really disbondent driving home on Saturday night. The concern I have is the emotive language that is often used and the over willingness to start and resurrect these threads at the first available opportunity. The clamour to get managers sacked has become an ugly reality of modern day football. I don't think Tommy McLean would have made it to the Scottish Cup Final if he managed in modern times. I watched some howling performances from his teams in the time leading up to the heady days of 91. SK has been a good servant to the club. Quotes like 'get him to fuck' and adjectives like imposter and wage thief are personal in nature and grossly unfair for a man that will be putting in a harder days graft than most on this forum. I don't read twitter and other social media platforms but it must be pretty bad if it is notably worse than some of the comments on here. Strangely I feel that the situation this time may be a little more serious than the 15 game winless run but I think this has much to do with a modern culture where tolerance for managers generally lasts about 18-24 months before fans start looking for the new Messiah. I would like to see Kettlewell get time to have a fully fit Slattery, Miller and Nicolson in his team. If performances don't improve then, it may be time to thank him for his service and look elsewhere. I accept that I am now in a minority but I still believe that he has earned the time to try and fix things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star sail Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 7 hours ago, mfc88 said: It was just a throwaway statement to end my post tbh. I get your point but football management is a volatile career in the public eye, and going to be open to scrutiny. SK knows that. I don't think it's unreasonable to discuss the team or manager constructively from a fans perspective on here, as long as its in the right manner. I note a few posters mentioning overly aggressive words directed at him on social media - I tend not to pay attention to that, but 100% that is not on. For the record, I don't want to come across as disrespectful towards SK, and I've acknowledged the positives of his reign in previous posts. Yes, it was maybe a little unfair to quote your post to make my point. It was just the comment at the end I was referencing. Everything else you said seemed very reasonable. Apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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