Benson Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, wellgirl said: I get this post, completely, dont give up though "I heard it" can you clarify what you heard,I'm sure many on here can handle it and not affect them,I'm being honest with you,what was shouted at kettlewell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 2 minutes ago, wellgirl said: we do have a toxic minority in our support. Look at that photo in one of the Herald pieces - its a young fan sitting giving Kettlewell the fingers Holy shit is this what we’ve come to. The bad boys gave me the fingers and that’s supposed to equate to being toxic. The lunatics are taking over the asylum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 Don’t make ludicrous posts then, but I’ll take your own advice that you happily hand out on a regular basis and stick you on “ignore” . Night night 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star sail Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 15 minutes ago, Benson said: "I heard it" can you clarify what you heard,I'm sure many on here can handle it and not affect them,I'm being honest with you,what was shouted at kettlewell. I think I made the I heard it comment. There was a boy standing right beside me at Perth who shouted ' get tae f**K Kettlewell, you useless c**t' He looked as if he was about to explode with anger. I may have been very unlucky that I was standing beside the only Motherwell fan in the entire stadium making these comments but given that Kettlewell has subsequently resigned I don't think that was a single comment in isolation. I think football is possibly the only environment left where a comment like that is considered reasonable and where fellow supporters will try and defend it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, wellgirl said: That right. Im inane, no bother. Funny that its me you are going in on rather than the person who posted the original post, odd that but not surprising in the least. Its easier to pick off some posters than others - that's very clear from your comment. I suggest you put me on ignore and keep me there. Youre the poster who said the well bois didnt put a foot wrong from recollection - enough said. There should be room for all kinds of opinions on here but there clearly isnt. Ps Im a lot of things - but inane isn't one of them, maybe reflect before you start name-calling me for doing nothing but support someone else's post on here. We can only have certain opinions or we arent welcome on here - no bother. Word salad. I was being descriptive on an observation. As for the Well Bois comment - on a Stewart Kettlewell discussion thread? An irrelevance much like yourself. I’ve defended them, not once have I said they never put a foot wrong. For the record, I’ll wager you know nothing of the Well Bois given the make up of those who frequent that area of the stadium. Plenty of your musings on what’s an emotive subject this week are exactly that - inane. An understanding of dressing room politics and doubling down as you refuse to believe is lacking sense or meaning. All in the schooling I suppose. At no point did I mention your opinion isn’t welcome. Playing victim card once again - no bother. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 For the hard of hearing and illiterate amongst Scottish football, please note Kettlewell did not lose his job, he quit. Putting the concerns around Kettlewell’s reasoning for quitting aside for now, a red flag for me is that Caldwell seems to have been watching a different run of games and performances to the fans of late. And let’s not forget that bad run in 2023. We have been utter shite and have clearly been at risk of free-fall, but Caldwell’s words would have you believe otherwise and suggest that he was generally content with Kettlewell. Perhaps he wasn’t, but him appearing to publicly side with a former manager over the fans will only fuel the unhelpful ‘us vs them’ narrative that has developed following that resignation statement. This whole debacle has unnecessarily grown arms and legs, and I don’t think it’s over doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 This isn’t going to end well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StirlingDosser Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 I'm starting to wonder about this guy. The club in general just feels flat. I know Burrows had his critics but under him you could see the club moving. The media effort was top notch, the club was appearing more professional, and absolute media meltdowns like this were avoided. Given Caldwell's handling of this I dont think he will have a great deal of currency in the bank if he screws up the recruitment over the next few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yabba's Turd Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 Obviously never been to a junior game when fans threaten to batter their own players for being shite or windscreens being put in on cars, however he's talking apples and oranges, players can expect to be criticized for mistakes, no one will let Stevie Woods forget Rangers, he's not going to change football culture overnight, Motherwell/any fans won't change their tune towards perceived mediocrity or pish tactics radically because SK resigned. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsince1976 Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 A very good point was made in the Facebook post last night about the amount of abuse Kettlewell dished out to the ref/linesman/4th officals resulting in his numerous red cards. A bit two faced of him if you ask me. This is just a total mess and Caldwell has done us no favours at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 3 minutes ago, Wellsince1976 said: A very good point was made in the Facebook post last night about the amount of abuse Kettlewell dished out to the ref/linesman/4th officals resulting in his numerous red cards. A bit two faced of him if you ask me. This is just a total mess and Caldwell has done us no favours at all. And in doing so has also done himself no favours at all. I think we’ll see the new Chairman address things, hopefully in a much more diplomatic way, to try to smooth things over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellon Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 10 hours ago, Onthefringes said: Word salad. I was being descriptive on an observation. As for the Well Bois comment - on a Stewart Kettlewell discussion thread? An irrelevance much like yourself. I’ve defended them, not once have I said they never put a foot wrong. For the record, I’ll wager you know nothing of the Well Bois given the make up of those who frequent that area of the stadium. Plenty of your musings on what’s an emotive subject this week are exactly that - inane. An understanding of dressing room politics and doubling down as you refuse to believe is lacking sense or meaning. All in the schooling I suppose. At no point did I mention your opinion isn’t welcome. Playing victim card once again - no bother. Could you not just have said " an irrelevance " and missed the " much like yourself" bit out? 🤔 just a thought... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 If abuse started at Aberdeen game why not mention it to club then? Club could have put statement out condemning the abuse. Anyway we move on, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellon Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 12 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: If abuse started at Aberdeen game why not mention it to club then? Club could have put statement out condemning the abuse. Anyway we move on, I heard people complaining on here about that one , think that's where a reality check is required. Even with our strongest 11 , beating Aberdeen is a great result , we didn't have close to our strongest 11. I'm disappointed in the narrative since sk left but I can understand him being annoyed at mumping after that game The 2 st johnstone games, not so much. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 24 minutes ago, wellon said: I heard people complaining on here about that one , think that's where a reality check is required. Even with our strongest 11 , beating Aberdeen is a great result , we didn't have close to our strongest 11. I'm disappointed in the narrative since sk left but I can understand him being annoyed at mumping after that game The 2 st johnstone games, not so much. Had Aberdeen had 11 men I would agree but they had 10 men for 45 mins and we never laid glove on them. Given our historical fuck ups against 10 men and our complete inability to keep possession for more than 2 minutes there was plenty to be exasperated about. Frankly I'll always reserve my right to be exasperated at any game and moan like fuck when we play absolute pish. Does that mean I abuse the manager of individual players ? no it doesn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 No time for journalists but watched sun sport YouTube clip and I thought Robert Grieve was really good, he obviously condemned as we all do the personal abuse but he was kind of hinting why did SK not just sleep on it and ride it out and things could have improved. Anyway I am done talking about it. We move on and back Frail and the lads. COYW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellon Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, FirParkCornerExile said: Had Aberdeen had 11 men I would agree but they had 10 men for 45 mins and we never laid glove on them. Given our historical fuck ups against 10 men and our complete inability to keep possession for more than 2 minutes there was plenty to be exasperated about. Frankly I'll always reserve my right to be exasperated at any game and moan like fuck when we play absolute pish. Does that mean I abuse the manager of individual players ? no it doesn't. Ok but we beat them 2 nil and got 3 points so that's one of the games I wouldn't be too upset about , but you're right you have the right to be exasperated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppower Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 All the narrative from Stuart Kettlewell, Brian Caldwell and the media is that the Motherwell fans hounded the manager out with abuse directed at both him and his family. Caldwell further confirmed this when asked about why Kettlewell resigned. At least we, the fans know where we stand with the current regime running this club. They don't give a toss about the fans. It's nice to know how unimportant we are. I will show them how unimportant I am by not renewing my season ticket. The incompetent bunch running this club should have joined the manager and resigned. They have instigated a plan which is to bring in players from the depths of English football. Not once have they looked at the top 4 teams in the Scottish Championship. These are the teams battling for promotion and have better players than the garbage we have been signing. I will enjoy spending my season ticket money on something else. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, ppower said: All the narrative from Stuart Kettlewell, Brian Caldwell and the media is that the Motherwell fans hounded the manager out with abuse directed at both him and his family. Caldwell further confirmed this when asked about why Kettlewell resigned. At least we, the fans know where we stand with the current regime running this club. They don't give a toss about the fans. It's nice to know how unimportant we are. I will show them how unimportant I am by not renewing my season ticket. The incompetent bunch running this club should have joined the manager and resigned. They have instigated a plan which is to bring in players from the depths of English football. Not once have they looked at the top 4 teams in the Scottish Championship. These are the teams battling for promotion and have better players than the garbage we have been signing. I will enjoy spending my season ticket money on something else. I would suggest that if you (and others) do take the decision to not renew your season ticket, that you put the reason in writing to the Club and the Well Society. They need to see that their (in)actions that negatively affect the fans of a fan-owned club have real financial consequences. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 18 hours ago, smiddy said: “4k big bad well fans forced SK out with abuse papers all over it 50k bears “ up to there knees in feen#@n blood “ there will be nothing mentioned bout it just rotten scottish press Agree. Smeltics great unwashed hordes glorifying terrorists at villa game and targeting dead royals.Both hardly role models. I've always thought as Well fan I take moral high ground to some degree but I know we have our morons too albeit, small minority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throughthelaces Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, ppower said: All the narrative from Stuart Kettlewell, Brian Caldwell and the media is that the Motherwell fans hounded the manager out with abuse directed at both him and his family. Caldwell further confirmed this when asked about why Kettlewell resigned. At least we, the fans know where we stand with the current regime running this club. They don't give a toss about the fans. It's nice to know how unimportant we are. I will show them how unimportant I am by not renewing my season ticket. The incompetent bunch running this club should have joined the manager and resigned. They have instigated a plan which is to bring in players from the depths of English football. Not once have they looked at the top 4 teams in the Scottish Championship. These are the teams battling for promotion and have better players than the garbage we have been signing. I will enjoy spending my season ticket money on something else. Well after hearing it all and how we've been flung under the bus this week I have stopped my well society contribution and have let them know that I'm extremely disappointed with how the club have handled it in the media and the narrative that's been spun. If I'm a part of a group od big bad buggers to you then you won't wish to have my money that I work longer hours than SK ever did and for a lot less money. I've had 1 day off in the last 14 days and I work 10-14 hours a day so the financial outlay of going to football I expect to see a team fighting the bit out and trying to play some football. I've never personally abused anyone but the way fans have been painted this past week has been saddening and I'm so disappointed on our club right now 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 2 hours ago, ppower said: All the narrative from Stuart Kettlewell, Brian Caldwell and the media is that the Motherwell fans hounded the manager out with abuse directed at both him and his family. Caldwell further confirmed this when asked about why Kettlewell resigned. At least we, the fans know where we stand with the current regime running this club. They don't give a toss about the fans. It's nice to know how unimportant we are. I will show them how unimportant I am by not renewing my season ticket. The incompetent bunch running this club should have joined the manager and resigned. They have instigated a plan which is to bring in players from the depths of English football. Not once have they looked at the top 4 teams in the Scottish Championship. These are the teams battling for promotion and have better players than the garbage we have been signing. I will enjoy spending my season ticket money on something else. Valid points with merit until your take on recruitment. It’s simple logistics, the value just isn’t there despite some undoubted talent. Inflated transfer or costly development fees in a flawed system or priced out of securing pre-contracts - take your pick. Where does the Stamatelopoulos acquisition or development of academy prospects fit into your thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 38 minutes ago, Throughthelaces said: Well after hearing it all and how we've been flung under the bus this week I have stopped my well society contribution and have let them know that I'm extremely disappointed with how the club have handled it in the media and the narrative that's been spun. If I'm a part of a group od big bad buggers to you then you won't wish to have my money that I work longer hours than SK ever did and for a lot less money. I've had 1 day off in the last 14 days and I work 10-14 hours a day so the financial outlay of going to football I expect to see a team fighting the bit out and trying to play some football. I've never personally abused anyone but the way fans have been painted this past week has been saddening and I'm so disappointed on our club right now The Well Society wouldn't have been the ones guiding the club's reaction to anything this week, so not sure what cancelling that direct debit achieves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Neils40yarder Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 18 minutes ago, Jonesy said: The Well Society wouldn't have been the ones guiding the club's reaction to anything this week, so not sure what cancelling that direct debit achieves. Supporters this week have been told this week that they're not allowed to vent their feelings at games...this fella has decided the next best option is to remove his funding. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 All in all this has been a rotten week for us and no one comes out of it looking good. Not the club, not the support, not the WS and despite his army of chums in the media neither does Stuart Kettlewell in my opinion. He has ‘played politics’ and manipulated the situation to try and maintain his personal reputation and unfortunately the club and WS have played right into his hands. That is not excusing any personal abuse that was directed his way, or that towards any of his family and I think that there probably was some uncalled for and unacceptable stuff said. But I do not believe for one minute that that is the main reason that he left 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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