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10 minutes ago, steelboy said:

They are a charity. They can't give St Mirren money. 

That's correct. You are right.

I think what we can take away is they spent 1.4 million less than us in salaries.

We lost a million, they broke even and just wait until we publish 2023 in line with them.

2 manager sackings and panic buys to stay in the league.
That for me is why they are stronger just now and we are tightening up the purse strings.

The board cant lose 7 figures two years in a row of "our money" in some ways.
So get used to our new tighter squad whilst we work towards Break Even.

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1 minute ago, steelboy said:

Questions need to be asked. 

We pay out more on wages than St Mirren or Killie going by accounts but we can't afford to make KVV a decent offer despite being very low on numbers?

Can we ask the questions if and when he signs for either of them?

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7 minutes ago, wellsince75 said:

Good news 

kvv will be at FP at the weekend 

bad news

he won’t be in our dressing room 

 

if we can’t match up to st mirren or killie in terms of salary when we’re running small squad I seriously worry about our way forward as a club 

Who says we can't maybe we have a different value of his worth or do we keep bidding to knock the others out. There are so many scenarios that we will never know but I'm bored with KVV now let's move on

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2 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

To be fair. As someone pointed out on twitter a few days ago St Mirren are getting bigger crowds than us just now. More gate money coming in. Its always going to be tough for a club like Motherwell given that we are fan owned and have a relatively small core support 

Correct look at the correlation of the league table.

The bottom four are in exact order, the bottom four.

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/scottish-premiership/attendances

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1 minute ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

Who says we can't maybe we have a different value of his worth or do we keep bugging to knock the others out. There are so many scenarios that we will never know but I'm bored with KVV now let's move on

We have 1 striker are in are in a relegation battle. He surely has to be worth more to us than he is to Killie or St Mirren?

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1 minute ago, steelboy said:

We have 1 striker are in are in a relegation battle. He surely has to be worth more to us than he is to Killie or St Mirren?

Again your not wrong but as I've guessed at earlier I think accounts are going to be grim reading for last season.
So I think the board will not budge and do this two years in a row to save our season.

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6 minutes ago, wunderwell said:

That's correct. You are right.

I think what we can take away is they spent 1.4 million less than us in salaries.

We lost a million, they broke even and just wait until we publish 2023 in line with them.

 

We lost a million because Bellend Burrows decided to flatten the pitch as a vanity project.

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2 minutes ago, steelboy said:

We lost a million because Bellend Burrows decided to flatten the pitch as a vanity project.

Half and Half I'd say this and salaries.  Although one year out in comparison - later this month we can compare like for like.

Turnover : 5.5 MILLION (St Mirren had same)

WAGES: 5.2 MILLION (St Mirren 3.8)

Other OPERATING EXPENSES: 2.1 MILLION (this is where the pitch comes into play - and savings here would have cut the million loss)

 

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1 hour ago, Mccus28 said:

I just dont see how they could pay double, more then fair enough but if those 2 teams are paying double then we are in a worse state than we thought

Kilmarnock have had over 27,000 more fans through their turnstiles this season than we have.

At 25 quid a head that's well over half a million pounds and more than enough to pay twice our wage cap.

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The charity thing looks like a typical third sector scam where the charity get funding from the Scottish Government then spend it on services provided by St Mirren. 

Middle class people bumping third sector money is the second biggest industry in Scotland after drug dealing so St Mirren could do well out of this.

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4 minutes ago, steelboy said:

The charity thing looks like a typical third sector scam where the charity get funding from the Scottish Government then spend it on services provided by St Mirren. 

Middle class people bumping third sector money is the second biggest industry in Scotland after drug dealing so St Mirren could do well out of this.

And they're based in Paisley so the drug dealing is probably pretty lucrative too.

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4 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

Kilmarnock have had over 27,000 more fans through their turnstiles this season than we have.

At 25 quid a head that's well over half a million pounds and more than enough to pay twice our wage cap.

Right now they have 31 first team players and we have 22 so I don't agree with you.

The number difference alone more than makes up for the wage discrepancy

 

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1 minute ago, AllyMax said:

And they're based in Paisley so the drug dealing is probably pretty lucrative too.

I don't know anything about this Paisley mob but the biggest drug dealing operation in Scotland was run out of a Glasgow City Council funded youth centre for years so nothing would surprise me. 

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17 minutes ago, steelboy said:

St Mirren's attendances are as fake as Aberdeen and Celtics. They are counting empty seats. 

I Keep hearing this pish all the time their attendance are fake. Produce the slightest evidence that the case, same with the push all their tickets are freebies.. produce the evidence . You only need to look at their games on TV the ground their ground holds 8000 and it's regularly three quarters full. 

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1 minute ago, Mccus28 said:

Right now they have 31 first team players and we have 22 so I don't agree with you.

The number difference alone more than makes up for the wage discrepancy

 

Ok Killie Accounts!

Due the same day as Motherwell this month.
They lost 1.8 million in the season they won the D1 title.
Running a wage bill of 3million. Still pretty hefty.
Have a high list of creditors and borrowed 1 million from Scottish government.
More difficult to decipher until later this month and the accounts of the return to the SPL.
My gut is if Billy Bowie wants something then he will put the money in.

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23 minutes ago, steelboy said:

They are a charity. They can't give St Mirren money. 

So how come they can purchase 27.5% of the Clubs Shares? 

The answer is that Charities such as Kibble are allowed to invest funds on the basis that the kids they look after receive a direct benefit as a result. They have a working Partnership with St Mirren that benefits both parties. They also provide additional support in non playing areas that is of mutual benefit. Basically they are paying for a service, which as a by product provides benefits to Saint Mirren and reduces their own outgoings. 

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