fizoxy Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 The goals we are conceding are laughable. Lyle Cameron is 5'2", not fucking invisible. His movement was clever, but we just watched him do it. We have improved in both boxes for set pieces, but we are all over the place at crosses from open play. We are hamstringing one of our best players in Spencer by playing him on the wrong side. Kettlewell was initially good at taking feelings out of the equation and picking the best side, he's not doing that now. The players are certainly fighting, but they aren't being set up to succeed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 Just now, wunderwell said: Italian cousin of John McGinn hahahah a never thought of mcginn a thought we had found somebody in a cupboard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, MJC said: We really are spawny bastards. That result changes nothing for us in a positive sense but it takes the heat off Kettlewell for another game. The bigger picture is that we have now failed to win in three months and have yet again failed to win a must win game at home. We are absolutely dreadful. We can’t defend, our forward options are hopeless and without 17 year old Lennon Miller and a flukey, underserved draw against Dundee changes nothing. I'm sorry for your loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 I’d keep SK. I’m fed up sacking managers we need some continuity. Him and the players need to turn it around and I think we will get there. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunderwell Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 1 minute ago, texanwellfan said: I’d keep SK. I’m fed up sacking managers we need some continuity. Him and the players need to turn it around and I think we will get there. The thing is, the season will be decided by the January transfer window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, texanwellfan said: I’d keep SK. I’m fed up sacking managers we need some continuity. Him and the players need to turn it around and I think we will get there. Yep, I agree with that. We need to give him the time to build his own team. I like SK and think that he can become a success at Motherwell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 9 minutes ago, bobbybingo said: I'm sorry for your loss. In all seriousness do you think that is a positive result for us? At home against Dundee having not won a game for three months, ten games and we scrape a draw with the last kick of the ball. Again. I’m sorry but for me that’s nothing to shout about. If that game finishes 2-2 then the manager and the team are rightly being slaughtered but by spawnying a 3-3 just like we did against Ross County just lets the team, the manager off the hook and gives the happy clappers in the stands and the boardroom something to munch away at for another week. Still though…. #scenes and all that pish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Mad Dog said: Yep, I agree with that. We need to give him the time to build his own team. I like SK and think that he can become a success at Motherwell. Not being funny here, but when you say you think he can become a success at Motherwell, what are you basing that on? His record as a top-flight manager isn't good. He failed at Ross County when he got the job on his own, and once he got a transfer window at Motherwell he hasn't really done a great job here either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erskine Alpha Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 Snatched a draw but the manager has to go. In a world of stats the one he is failing on is wins, I genuinely hoped he would have turned it t around but I think it’s time for him to go. The next manager should play the youngsters as the senior players aren’t cutting it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunderwell Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 Just now, MJC said: In all seriousness do you think that is a positive result for us? At home against Dundee having not won a game for three months, ten games and we scrape a draw with the last kick of the ball. Again. I’m sorry but for me that’s nothing to shout about. If that game finishes 2-2 then the manager and the team are rightly being slaughtered but by spawnying a 3-3 just like we did against Ross County just lets the team, the manager off the hook and gives the happy clappers in the stands and the boardroom something to munch away at for another week. Things went wrong in the transfer window no doubt. We have the next one to get it right. Midfield needs option and CDM. A left back we trust as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunderwell Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 Just now, David said: Not being funny here, but when you say you think he can become a success at Motherwell, what are you basing that on? His record as a top-flight manager isn't good. He failed at Ross County when he got the job on his own, and once he got a transfer window at Motherwell he hasn't really done a great job here either. But we skip the whole of the end of last season after Hammell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunderwell Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Erskine Alpha said: Snatched a draw but the manager has to go. In a world of stats the one he is failing on is wins, I genuinely hoped he would have turned it t around but I think it’s time for him to go. The next manager should play the youngsters as the senior players aren’t cutting it Play the youngsters. I actually would love that, but prepare for the championship. If we want to change into this philosphy, then the support need to change their expectancy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, wunderwell said: But we skip the whole of the end of last season after Hammell? While I give him some credit for that, he was a huge beneficiary of Van Veen hitting some mental freak form, and also it wasn't his team. Once he was given sole control and was given the chance to shape the squad how he wanted it, we've all seen the results. It was the same at Ross County. Once he got sole control and was given the transfer window to do business it all came apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunderwell Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, MJC said: In all seriousness do you think that is a positive result for us? At home against Dundee having not won a game for three months, ten games and we scrape a draw with the last kick of the ball. Again. I’m sorry but for me that’s nothing to shout about. If that game finishes 2-2 then the manager and the team are rightly being slaughtered but by spawnying a 3-3 just like we did against Ross County just lets the team, the manager off the hook and gives the happy clappers in the stands and the boardroom something to munch away at for another week. "happy clapper" opposite "doom merchant" As I said before Jan window defines the position we finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 1 minute ago, MJC said: In all seriousness do you think that is a positive result for us? At home against Dundee having not won a game for three months, ten games and we scrape a draw with the last kick of the ball. Again. I’m sorry but for me that’s nothing to shout about. If that game finishes 2-2 then the manager and the team are rightly being slaughtered but by spawnying a 3-3 just like we did against Ross County just lets the team, the manager off the hook and gives the happy clappers in the stands and the boardroom something to munch away at for another week. a think heez still got the players on side there all trying like feck for him maybe a bit of tweeking and shuffling we might just have enough to get us to the window, if we could get rid of some shite and maybe bring in a couple of not so shite then i think 3rd bottom is very possible then let him rebuild in the summer, i think heez got something about him but we cant just keep changing remember what man u done with fergie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, MJC said: In all seriousness do you think that is a positive result for us? At home against Dundee having not won a game for three months, ten games and we scrape a draw with the last kick of the ball. Again. I’m sorry but for me that’s nothing to shout about. If that game finishes 2-2 then the manager and the team are rightly being slaughtered but by spawnying a 3-3 just like we did against Ross County just lets the team, the manager off the hook and gives the happy clappers in the stands and the boardroom something to munch away at for another week. Still though…. #scenes and all that pish. In all seriousness, I think I will never want Motherwell to lose, whatever the reasons or circumstances. And in all seriousness, I don't think you feel the same way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunderwell Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 Just now, David said: While I give him some credit for that, he was a huge benefactor of Van Veen hitting some mental freak form, and also it wasn't his team. Once he was given sole control and was given the chance to shape the squad how he wanted it, we've all seen the results. It was the same at Ross County. Once he got sole control and was given the transfer window to do business it all came apart. Personally I think it's two windows to shape a team considering what we lost. I admit some bad signings - what irks me is the length of deals on players we have to bin. I'll judge where we are in February - some tweaks and we should be ok. Fail and we are down. That is why I state this period is key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, David said: Not being funny here, but when you say you think he can become a success at Motherwell, what are you basing that on? His record as a top-flight manager isn't good. He failed at Ross County when he got the job on his own, and once he got a transfer window at Motherwell he hasn't really done a great job here either. Statistically, who would our next manager be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 Just now, wunderwell said: Personally I think it's two windows to shape a team considering what we lost. I admit some bad signings - what irks me is the length of deals on players we have to bin. I'll judge where we are in February - some tweaks and we should be ok. Fail and we are down. That is why I state this period is key. I agree. Sadly, I have zero faith in our current recruitment team or manager to get it right in January. I really hope I'm wrong, but I think we're going to head into January doing what we always do. Panic buying. 1 minute ago, bobbybingo said: Statistically, who would our next manager be? Some snappy dresser from the Norwegian 3rd tier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 He survives to fight another day but the fact remains that his initial tactics are always shocking and we sit off teams despite not being able to defend. SOD, Butcher, Paton and Blaney are nowhere near good enough for this level and need moved on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 In pub enjoying post match pint . Match report later.....another late rescue mission which is better than a loss but we need wins and butcher is not a midfielder anymore... defence or bench Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 1 minute ago, bobbybingo said: In all seriousness, I think I will never want Motherwell to lose, whatever the reasons or circumstances. And in all seriousness, I don't think you feel the same way. You’re right, I don’t ever want to see us lose. But at the same time today I take absolutely no satisfaction in us drawing. We needed to win today, just like we needed to win against Ross County at the end of October. But we were rank rotten in both games, gave away cheap goals and scraped a 3-3 draw with the last kick of the ball in both games. Had we lost either game then, imo, Kettlewell would have been sacked/resigned/or at least been put under a lot more pressure than he ended up being in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orinoco Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 Looking at the table, the one point keeps us above livingston, even if they win their game in hand. So from that point of view its a good point. Of course we need to start winning games and soon. We also need to change shape, as Dundee knew how to counter our current shape, and exploit the weaknesses. We cant keep sacking managers. Who's actually out there who would want to come in and work under the restrictions our manager has to abide by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepper Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 19 minutes ago, fizoxy said: We are hamstringing one of our best players in Spencer by playing him on the wrong side. I think that's a great point. A lot of the stray passes today from the likes of Spencer (and Sods tbf) were caused as a direct result of them having to turn in on their unnatural foot. If you want them to do the basics well give them the best opportunity to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 Just now, MJC said: You’re right, I don’t ever want to see us lose. But at the same time today I take absolutely no satisfaction in us drawing. We needed to win today, just like we needed to win against Ross County at the end of October. But we were rank rotten in both games, gave away cheap goals and scraped a 3-3 draw with the last kick of the ball in both games. Had we lost either game then, imo, Kettlewell would have been sacked/resigned/or at least been put under a lot more pressure than he ended up being in. You may want to read my comment again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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