Bois Boycott

[MJC]

6 hours ago, dennyc said:

How sad is it that, the day after such a fantastic victory and performance, most of the talk is about a group of supporters who have so much to offer if only they were prepared to limit their actions to supporting the club and the community.

That is the biggest ‘tragedy’ about this whole ridiculous episode. That these attention seeking bams have got themselves attention by having Motherwell fans arguing about their behaviour rather than discussing the team itself and our first league victory of the season. 
 

As I said earlier if they just supported the team without all the shenanigans with pyro, jumping on the park, shouting abuse at stewards, covering their faces and puffing their chests out like pigeons the second they are inevitably challenged for their behaviour then they wouldn’t have any issues whatsoever. 
 

But clearly they value their status as a group more than supporting the club itself otherwise they wouldn’t deprive the club and the team of their support. 

[Kmcalpin]

Would those figures include away fans? If not, why not?

[Cameron_Mcd]

Pretty much 3 pages worth of this 

[Kmcalpin]

21 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

It didn't say but I assume it's home fans. The first set of figures are on the Scottish govt website. It looks like it's home fans. 

I've no idea how these things work, but you'd think bans should also apply to errant away fans in the interests of consistency. 

[Big Stall]

21 minutes ago, Cameron_Mcd said:

Pretty much 3 pages worth of this 

Except its not the old man who threw the toys out the pram......

[Kmcalpin]

26 minutes ago, Cameron_Mcd said:

Pretty much 3 pages worth of this 

That indicates that its an issue that requires open debate and discussion. A range of different views have been raised so far. Just a pity that it's overshadowing yesterday's game but it is what it is. 

[weeyin]

I don't think it's overshadowing yesterday's game. I haven't seen it mentioned in the media, and it's only a small number of posters discussing.

Regardless, I'd propose a 2 step solution:

Step 1. If you're a fan and behaving like a ned, stop it.

Step 2. If you're a club official and overstepping your authority, stop it.

Now that's done I'm off to sort out the cease-fire talks in Cairo.

[Claretamberribbon]

I don't sit with the Well bois/block e sometimes they are great and sometimes they annoy me but overall they do bring a bit of atmosphere, therefore I would say I sit on the fence.

What I do agree with is the attitude of a club employee who seems to think he runs the club and I think his influence and opinions rub off on other staff members, he maybe needs a sit down and told he isn't Robocop and he is now speaking to paying customers who's attendance is crucial to the future of the club.

 

 

[FirParkCornerExile]

18 hours ago, Kmcalpin said:

I've no idea how these things work, but you'd think bans should also apply to errant away fans in the interests of consistency. 

considering the damage Celtic fans do on every visit there should be hundreds banned.

[MJC]

18 hours ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

considering the damage Celtic fans do on every visit there should be hundreds banned.

There’s nothing I would love more than for us to ban that vermin from Fir Park but in reality we couldn’t actually do it and even if we attempted it then it would cause more problems than it would be worst.

What you would almost certainly get is Celtic fans buying up home end tickets in their hundreds which would put our fans safety in jeopardy and as a result would put Motherwell fans off going to the game.

The ‘Well Bhois’ would no doubt stage another joint protest with the Green Brigade about their unfair treatment, probably buy them tickets for ‘block E’ so they can stand in solidarity with them, or lick their boots.

 

[Mootherwell86]

4 hours ago, MJC said:

There’s nothing I would love more than for us to ban that vermin from Fir Park but in reality we couldn’t actually do it and even if we attempted it then it would cause more problems than it would be worst.

What you would almost certainly get is Celtic fans buying up home end tickets in their hundreds which would put our fans safety in jeopardy and as a result would put Motherwell fans off going to the game.

The ‘Well Bhois’ would no doubt stage another joint protest with the Green Brigade about their unfair treatment, probably buy them tickets for ‘block E’ so they can stand in solidarity with them, or lick their boots.

 

You’re a fucking weirdo. 

[MJC]

4 hours ago, Mootherwell86 said:

You’re a fucking weirdo. 

“Fucking weirdo”

”Tells it as I see it”

”Uncomfortable truths”

”Tomato”

“Toe-may-toe”

”Not buying the Well Bois bullshit”

”Fucking weirdo”

There it is anyway

 

[0Neils40yarder]

2 hours ago, MJC said:

“Fucking weirdo”

”Tells it as I see it”

”Uncomfortable truths”

”Tomato”

“Toe-may-toe”

”Not buying the Well Bois bullshit”

”Fucking weirdo”

There it is anyway

 

What in the name of the wee man are you actually going on about?

 

Do you genuinely think the block e/well bois/whatever they're called are all pally-wally with the Green brigade? Or are you just looking for a reaction?

Recent goings on would suggest they don't like each other very much at all.

[robsterwood]

Are they not going to away games either?

[Cameron_Mcd]

18 minutes ago, robsterwood said:

Are they not going to away games either?

The statement the other day said they were boycotting the Hearts game last Sunday, I suspect that barring any dramas between now and Sunday they'll be in Perth on Saturday.

[Yabba's Turd]

12 hours ago, MJC said:

There’s nothing I would love more than for us to ban that vermin from Fir Park but in reality we couldn’t actually do it and even if we attempted it then it would cause more problems than it would be worst.

What you would almost certainly get is Celtic fans buying up home end tickets in their hundreds which would put our fans safety in jeopardy and as a result would put Motherwell fans off going to the game.

The ‘Well Bhois’ would no doubt stage another joint protest with the Green Brigade about their unfair treatment, probably buy them tickets for ‘block E’ so they can stand in solidarity with them, or lick their boots.

 

There were plenty in the stands n Skippy Sunday, they were dealt with accordingly by those who could.

Anyway, are you ok? 

[Ya Bezzer!]

First of all I saw people that were supposed to be boycotting in other sections of the stand so I'm guessing not all are as united on the boycott as it would appear.

Secondly the atmosphere was better on Saturday.  More natural, less choreographed, singing from all areas/stands and no constant drum or that intolerable with the megaphone.

Thirdly I've not gone to away games for a couple of years but before that I used to go to virtually every away game and the behaviour of a section of our fans was utterly embarrasing and very worthy of police involvement.  I doubt it's changed much.

Fourthly, I have no contacts inside Fir Park, but I've been told by others the club has generally been fairly supportive of our ultras (in whatever iteration) and yet every time the club has asked them not to cross lines, pyro for instance, they have repaid the club with intransigence and defiance over the issues.

Fifthly, groups trying to use their fan power as leverage against the club over the kind of issues that they have is the kind of self absorbed behaviour that almost all of these groups end up displaying.  It's arrogant and self regarding.  When supporters groups put their own interests before the clubs, especially on issues that can harm the club reputationally, legally or financially, then those fans have overstepped the mark.

It's clear these types of groups always put their own interests ahead of the clubs. while masquerading as diehard fans.  I'm pretty confident many of these guys will never buy an adult ticket.  

 

 

[MJC]

9 hours ago, 0Neils40yarder said:

What in the name of the wee man are you actually going on about?

 

Do you genuinely think the block e/well bois/whatever they're called are all pally-wally with the Green brigade? Or are you just looking for a reaction?

Recent goings on would suggest they don't like each other very much at all.

Perhaps not the entire group, but from what I have seen and heard for myself over the years there are certainly some members of that section that are on good terms with certain Green Brigade members. Certain ones I’ve had the misfortune to encounter seem to share similar ‘political’ outlooks as well and are extremely aggressive about it into the bargain. 
 

Then you take into account that the Well Bois willingly stood shoulder to shoulder with the GB at Fir Park and held a joint protest over heavy handed policing less than two years after that Friday night game where the Celtic support led by the GB caused thousands of pounds worth of damage to the South Stand. Yet they went along with that regardless. 
 

Then you’ve got all the behaviours and tactics which are similar to that of the Green Brigade…

Being aggressive and confrontational to police and stewards then immediately playing the victim card when challenged. The pyro, the banners, the pitch invasions. Churning out big long winded statements calling for boycotts and trying to manipulate and lead the rest of the support into following them. Even dressing in a similar way with face coverings albeit without the dark green jackets, instead they wear all black. 
 

As I said, so much of their behaviour is very Green Brigade.

Ya_bezzers post above puts it a lot better than I could with the key point being that groups like this seem to put themselves and their interests before that of the clubs. That’s exactly how I see the Well Bois I’m afraid.

[0Neils40yarder]

8 hours ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

First of all I saw people that were supposed to be boycotting in other sections of the stand so I'm guessing not all are as united on the boycott as it would appear.

My understanding is that they are boycotting that section, and not engaging in their usual support of the team ie flags, banners, drum etc...I was in the Main Stand and know for definite that there were young lads in there who wouldn't normally be

8 hours ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

Secondly the atmosphere was better on Saturday.  More natural, less choreographed, singing from all areas/stands and no constant drum or that intolerable with the megaphone.

Not having it at all, the atmosphere was dogshite until we scored,  the Hearts fans were in far more bouyant mood...which can probably be corroborated by the Hearts fans jeering when the 1st rendition of a song came from the East Stand, well into the game. The drum, megaphone etc might not be your cup of tea or mine, Fir Park was definitely a quieter place without it...until we scored

8 hours ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

Thirdly I've not gone to away games for a couple of years but before that I used to go to virtually every away game and the behaviour of a section of our fans was utterly embarrasing and very worthy of police involvement.  I doubt it's changed much.

For as long as I've supported the club, we've had people who will behave in a way that will trigger the attention of the police...nothing new here.

8 hours ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

Fourthly, I have no contacts inside Fir Park, but I've been told by others the club has generally been fairly supportive of our ultras (in whatever iteration) and yet every time the club has asked them not to cross lines, pyro for instance, they have repaid the club with intransigence and defiance over the issues.

3rd hand stuff...must be true

8 hours ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

Fifthly, groups trying to use their fan power as leverage against the club over the kind of issues that they have is the kind of self absorbed behaviour that almost all of these groups end up displaying.  It's arrogant and self regarding.  When supporters groups put their own interests before the clubs, especially on issues that can harm the club reputationally, legally or financially, then those fans have overstepped the mark.

Their mates have been banned from the stadium, based on 'the polis said so'...if my mates got barred from a boozer because their face didnt fit, I'd think twice about how much financial support I'd be giving that boozer in the future. Football clubs take, and always have taken, supporters passion for their team for granted.

8 hours ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

It's clear these types of groups always put their own interests ahead of the clubs. while masquerading as diehard fans.  I'm pretty confident many of these guys will never buy an adult ticket.  

 

 

Don't know where to start with this nonsense 

[0Neils40yarder]

33 minutes ago, MJC said:

Perhaps not the entire group, but from what I have seen and heard for myself over the years there are certainly some members of that section that are on good terms with certain Green Brigade members. Certain ones I’ve had the misfortune to encounter seem to share similar ‘political’ outlooks as well and are extremely aggressive about it into the bargain. 
 

Then you take into account that the Well Bois willingly stood shoulder to shoulder with the GB at Fir Park and held a joint protest over heavy handed policing less than two years after that Friday night game where the Celtic support led by the GB caused thousands of pounds worth of damage to the South Stand. Yet they went along with that regardless. 
 

Then you’ve got all the behaviours and tactics which are similar to that of the Green Brigade…

Being aggressive and confrontational to police and stewards then immediately playing the victim card when challenged. The pyro, the banners, the pitch invasions. Churning out big long winded statements calling for boycotts and trying to manipulate and lead the rest of the support into following them. Even dressing in a similar way with face coverings albeit without the dark green jackets, instead they wear all black. 
 

As I said, so much of their behaviour is very Green Brigade.

Ya_bezzers post above puts it a lot better than I could with the key point being that groups like this seem to put themselves and their interests before that of the clubs. That’s exactly how I see the Well Bois I’m afraid.

I think I know the individuals you're talking about here...and aye, in the past they may have got a bit too close to some of the green brigade 'off the park' if you like...however you're going back years and I think I can safely say there is no love lost between the majority of each group, considering the green brigade have a clearly visible presence in Motherwell most nights of the week.

 

The pyro and behaviours is very much the 'ultras scene'...you'll have noticed a fairly sizeable contingent in the Hearts end on Sunday and you'll also be aware that the Union Bears behave in exactly the same manner as the Green Brigade

[MJC]

I can only go on personal experience and as I said I’ve seen and heard first hand the people they associate with and the questionable views they express. Some of them are thoroughly nasty individuals and it’s not just me who has that experience of some ‘the Bois’ either. 
 

I get the pyro culture thing and indeed every club nowadays seems to have an element like that in their fanbase. Obviously though the Well Bois are the ones that I see up close and a lot more often and I don’t know if any of the other groups have the same Green Brigade style behaviours like the faux victim mentality, releasing big victim-y statements and the general entitlement like our clubs lot have. 
 

I’m sorry but from what I can see there is just too much similarity between the Block E brigade and the Green Brigade for my liking. 

[0Neils40yarder]

9 minutes ago, MJC said:

I can only go on personal experience and as I said I’ve seen and heard first hand the people they associate with and the questionable views they express. Some of them are thoroughly nasty individuals and it’s not just me who has that experience of some ‘the Bois’ either. 
 

I get the pyro culture thing and indeed every club nowadays seems to have an element like that in their fanbase. Obviously though the Well Bois are the ones that I see up close and a lot more often and I don’t know if any of the other groups have the same Green Brigade style behaviours like the faux victim mentality, releasing big victim-y statements and the general entitlement like our clubs lot have. 
 

I’m sorry but from what I can see there is just too much similarity between the Block E brigade and the Green Brigade for my liking. 

It's amazing that you can the likeness to the Green Brigade but not the Union Bears...they all very similar attributes 

[MJC]

Just now, 0Neils40yarder said:

It's amazing that you can the likeness to the Green Brigade but not the Union Bears...they all very similar attributes 

The Green Brigade are way, way out in front of the Union Bears in every level, just like their club is way out in front of Rangers in that regard too. 
 

The GB are far bigger, far more dangerous and have a lot more clout than the UB could ever hope to have. They have powerful people with big voices and a lot of influence at various levels of sport and politics on their side and in their ranks. So even though the Union Bears might display similar behaviours, they don’t have the same leverage with police and authorities. Even Celtic as a club can’t control the Green Brigade.

[Stuwell2]

4 hours ago, MJC said:

Perhaps not the entire group, but from what I have seen and heard for myself over the years there are certainly some members of that section that are on good terms with certain Green Brigade members. Certain ones I’ve had the misfortune to encounter seem to share similar ‘political’ outlooks as well and are extremely aggressive about it into the bargain. 

 

Then you’ve got all the behaviours and tactics which are similar to that of the Green Brigade…

 

Firstly I’m not against the club banning people who they believe to have caused trouble but I’d hope they have sufficient evidence to back up the ban. If the people want to appeal then a meeting should be held with them and members of their family and the evidence produced. 
 

MJC, can you explain the political beliefs part as - although I don’t like the GB - there are certain things the I can agree with and I’ve never witnessed the Block E displaying political views in their displays or any other way at games outwith the heavy hands stuff.
Although you have the right to disagree, that part smacks to me of your political views and your inability to accept others have the right to their views and has nothing to do with the way they support the club. 
 

Lastly, you and others keep referring and comparing them to the GB but never mention the Union Bears who in the context to this dispute are by far closer linked as some of them also recently stole a drum, Rangers banned those responsible without any court case and no one is shouting about that as far as I know. 
 

edit: Just seen your reply to 40yarder which does appear to back up my thoughts that it’s political for you. 

[0Neils40yarder]

1 hour ago, MJC said:

The Green Brigade are way, way out in front of the Union Bears in every level, just like their club is way out in front of Rangers in that regard too. 
 

The GB are far bigger, far more dangerous and have a lot more clout than the UB could ever hope to have. They have powerful people with big voices and a lot of influence at various levels of sport and politics on their side and in their ranks. So even though the Union Bears might display similar behaviours, they don’t have the same leverage with police and authorities. Even Celtic as a club can’t control the Green Brigade.

No one has said the Green Brigade is the same size as the Union Bears or our lot...you've gone off on a tangent again