Motherwell v Rangers League Cup Semi final Nov 2/3

[Orinoco]

So pyros by the clubs, ie Aberdeen recently and authorities at cup final, international games are fine, but if fans do it, it's a big no no and fine. Either there is a outright ban, or you allow it. 

As someone said who employed the stewards? Are they not liable for not doing their job correctly.

Scottish football have more pressing issues to deal with, ie dodgy club ownerships, clubs financially struggling, sectarian singing etc etc. 

[Mccus28]

18 hours ago, Orinoco said:

So pyros by the clubs, ie Aberdeen recently and authorities at cup final, international games are fine, but if fans do it, it's a big no no and fine. Either there is a outright ban, or you allow it. 

As someone said who employed the stewards? Are they not liable for not doing their job correctly.

Scottish football have more pressing issues to deal with, ie dodgy club ownerships, clubs financially struggling, sectarian singing etc etc. 

Whilst I understand the point you are trying to make, there are clear differences between professional pyro shows put on by the SFA and clubs as a spectacle and random football fans getting pyro off the internet and smuggling them into games to let off in the middle of thousands of fans.

With regards stewarding, these items in some cases are small and fairly easy to get into a game, the only way to fully check would be strip searches which clearly arent proportionate or indeed legal in these cases, so instead of blaming stewards who have limited search powers we really should be blaming those who are bringing the items into the stadium.

I know you dont see it as a massive problem but lets not forget around the world, people have had their hands blown off and received horror burns amongst other injuries which is why they are illegal inside a football stand.

Now that the club will be fined each time they are used, id urge people to get a grip and just dont bring them into the stadium!!!!

[MJC]

I wonder if we’ll see a banner or two from the Well Bois today in ‘protest’ at the SPFL’s unfair treatment of the club due to their own actions?? And given that St.Mirren away usually brings a few flashpoints with them and the stewards it’ll be interesting to see if they can actually behave otherwise any ‘protest’ will just look futile.

[mio]

58 minutes ago, MJC said:

I wonder if we’ll see a banner or two from the Well Bois today in ‘protest’ at the SPFL’s unfair treatment of the club due to their own actions?? And given that St.Mirren away usually brings a few flashpoints with them and the stewards it’ll be interesting to see if they can actually behave otherwise any ‘protest’ will just look futile.

I would prefer they all chip in and pay the club fine.

[Onthefringes]

1 hour ago, MJC said:

I wonder if we’ll see a banner or two from the Well Bois today in ‘protest’ at the SPFL’s unfair treatment of the club due to their own actions?? And given that St.Mirren away usually brings a few flashpoints with them and the stewards it’ll be interesting to see if they can actually behave otherwise any ‘protest’ will just look futile.

Sure, you’ll be first on here to post about it you anal retentive.

[Kmcalpin]

2 hours ago, Mccus28 said:

With regards stewarding, these items in some cases are small and fairly easy to get into a game, the only way to fully check would be strip searches which clearly arent proportionate or indeed legal in these cases.....

Yes, this is true, irrespective of the venue or who is in charge. However the SPFL (or SFA) has a bit of a cheek in this instance and is being hypocritical. The 3 clubs would have had little or no control over security at Hampden. It would have been 95% + responsible itself. So why charge the clubs concerned? The wider issue of strict liability - the SPFL/SFA cannot pick and choose which issues for which to invoke strict liability and we all know what thats about.

There is also a wider issue about pyrotechnics, which is one for the Government to address, if it has the backbone. They are not just an issue for Football but for society as a whole. Its not ok to use them inside a stadium but what about in the streets outside? What about their use in crowded and packed demonstrations and marches, which have nothing to do wth football? 

We have to have a clear set of guidelines or laws to ensure consistency and fairness buit not only that, they have to be fairly applied.  

[Ya Bezzer!]

If there are 4,500 fans at a home match there are probably a 100 or less that are causing all these problems, pyro and other wise.

Just ban them.  Get rid of them.  They are costing the club it's reputation and possible fines, so just take a hard line and get them to fuck.

Problem solved.

Why should we pander to a tiny minority in our fan base and let them cost the club money and potentially harm themselves or others?

They have been warned time and time again and they don't give a damn so just stop fucking around and deal with it.

 

[robsterwood]

I agree it was Hampden organising game and security.  They must have some responsibility. Also think we should have been refunded as team didn't show up.

[twistandshout1983]

Time to cut the pyrotechnics out , just costing our club fines they shouldn’t have to pay in the first place .

Guaranteed if the club is fined the same people will do it again 

[Ya Bezzer!]

1 hour ago, robsterwood said:

I agree it was Hampden organising game and security.  They must have some responsibility. Also think we should have been refunded as team didn't show up.

The responsibility for letting off flares is on those that let of flares.

No one else.

Can we just stop making excuses?

[Orinoco]

Like fireworks, get it banned totally. Consistency is all we ask when it comes to fan accountability. 

[Orinoco]

Wonder if the glasgow two will be in further trouble....

Game delayed again by the looks of things.

[well_said]

17 minutes ago, Orinoco said:

Wonder if the glasgow two will be in further trouble....

Game delayed again by the looks of things.

If we hadn't done the pyro at Hampden nothing would have been said or done . But to charge us they had to charge them also.

[Orinoco]

So double punishment for them then? Either way the issues are not going to go away.

[well_said]

13 minutes ago, Orinoco said:

So double punishment for them then? Either way the issues are not going to go away.

No chance that will happen . The spfl/SFA are gutless basas.

[Kmcalpin]

I wonder if they'll be charged for setting off flares in Glasgow City Centre? Its not in a football stadium certainly.

[SteelmaninOZ]

30 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:

I wonder if they'll be charged for setting off flares in Glasgow City Centre? Its not in a football stadium certainly.

I think the old City of Glasgow polis would have charged them with BoP and illegal use/possession of an emergency signal flare but it seems you can do anything and no consequences in the UK now.