dennyc Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 3 hours ago, Ya Bezzer! said: With all due respect I think this is a load of rubbish. Hammell's team was worse and in a much worse position, relegation very much on the cards, and Kettlewell came in and not only turned it round but went on a great run. Wimmer has had multiple chances to secure a Top 6 position and not done it. Of course he needs time to mould his own team and no one is saying he won't do a job in the long run but that doesn't mean that he's doing as well as he should be. I alluded to it before but I'll just say it out loud now, the two key players in that squad are Lennon Miller and Tawanda Maswanhise, and so far he's show he doesn't recognise that or how to utilise either player effectively. To me that's a bit concerning. Managers that try to impose their own style over the strengths of a squad usually either have to concede and change or fail. A lot of merit in what you say. But I wonder if Maswanhise is getting better every game he doesn't feature. A bit like Kaleta, until reality set in. Maswanhise has scored some important and clever goals for us and probably merits a start given how toothless we have been of late. Armstrong certainly needs support up front. Might as well try Maswanhise. Although for some reason Watt appears to be ahead of him in our Manager's eyes. But, and admittedly in limited spells, Maswanhise has been as rotten as the rest when he has been brought on. How someone can score the skilful goals has he has, but cannot control a simple pass first time is beyond me. Potential but a long ways to go in my opinion. Interesting discussion regards Wimmer. I like him and want him to succeed. But having endured that showing at Aberdeen, and having listened to him afterwards, I expected a different approach and set up at Kilmarnock. Maybe not a win, but a reaction on and off the field. Sadly nothing changed and if anything the performance was worse. That concerns me. Far too early to judge Wimmer of course, particularly given what he inherited and his lack of opportunity to bring in fresh faces or take the squad through pre season build up. But that, and some questionable officiating, does not exempt him from scrutiny and comment. Let's see if we see anything different against Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 11 minutes ago, dennyc said: But having endured that showing at Aberdeen, and having listened to him afterwards, I expected a different approach and set up at Kilmarnock. Maybe not a win, but a reaction on and off the field. Sadly nothing changed and if anything the performance was worse. That concerns me. Perhaps it’s the players who are the problem… 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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David Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 1 hour ago, MJC said: We need points badly to keep ourselves away from the playoff spot. Playing a side that are coming off a bad result and who know that they need to win to secure top six does not work in our favour. Had Hearts won yesterday and secured top six their approach to this game would have been completely different and they may even have rested players ahead of the Scottish Cup Semi Final. They may we’ll still have beaten us as we are hopeless but facing a Hearts side who had already secured top six would have given us a better chance of a result against them than facing a Hearts side knowing they need to win. And if Hearts had won and secured top six you'd be saying we're in trouble because we're playing a Hearts team that's flying and now has ambitions to catch Dundee United or even Aberdeen and finish 4th or 5th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 8 minutes ago, wellgirl said: I saw fans elsewhere online say that they think a win for Hearts yesterday would have been the best outcome as they would take it easier on us next week. Don't think that's the case either tbh. Some fans talk some amount of rubbish,hearts would take it easier on us 😂,this is a piss poor hearts team that were more than capable of beating despite the form were in.theres nothing to fear going Into this game and if we win and make it into the top 6 then great,if the other result doesn't go our way and we win anyway then it will be an equally important three points. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 40 minutes ago, wellfan said: Perhaps it’s the players who are the problem… Certainly seems like they are a major part of the problem. Looking at the options each week is depressing. Maybe Wimmer feels likewise. I just wonder how realistic is to hope for Ox, Slattery and 9 new faces in a starting eleven come the League Cup next season. Maybe I should just settle for avoiding the play off this season. Looking at the likely bottom six opponents should we fall short on Saturday, current form and recent meetings suggests they all have our number. Killie and St J at Fir Park could be a shit fest but decisive. A win come Saturday would ease so much pressure. Hearts will set about bullying us just like Aberdeen and Killie. Devlin will already be practicing his dark arts. Let's hope we come up with an approach to counter him and the rest.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 2 hours ago, MJC said: We need points badly to keep ourselves away from the playoff spot. Playing a side that are coming off a bad result and who know that they need to win to secure top six does not work in our favour. Had Hearts won yesterday and secured top six their approach to this game would have been completely different and they may even have rested players ahead of the Scottish Cup Semi Final. They may we’ll still have beaten us as we are hopeless but facing a Hearts side who had already secured top six would have given us a better chance of a result against them than facing a Hearts side knowing they need to win. If Hearts had won yesterday they would have been in top 6 and we were definitely in bottom 6 and facing other teams fighting relegation. As it is we still have a chance of top 6 if we win on Saturday. Also in most jobs you get a 6 month probation, poor wimmer got a 6 game probation judging by some of the posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 I think we need to put Maswanhise up front with Armstrong and press higher up the field. Having said that I don’t know if hearts have any players with speed that could hurt us on the break or with balls over the top. of course Maswanhise is a gamble. We’d just have to hope we get the “good” Maswanhise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 A final point I will make is thst after the 2 St Johnstone horror shows if someone had said come the Hearts game we had chance to finish Top 6 then I think everyone would not expect us to be in that position. Yes last 2 games have been poor but no reason why we can't win this. Come on folks....get them glasses half full. COYW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 11 hours ago, MJC said: We need points badly to keep ourselves away from the playoff spot. Playing a side that are coming off a bad result and who know that they need to win to secure top six does not work in our favour. Had Hearts won yesterday and secured top six their approach to this game would have been completely different and they may even have rested players ahead of the Scottish Cup Semi Final. They may we’ll still have beaten us as we are hopeless but facing a Hearts side who had already secured top six would have given us a better chance of a result against them than facing a Hearts side knowing they need to win. Hearts are a team that also have their frailties and the pressure on them to make the top 6 could - potentially - have them feeling nervous. If we get into them and close them down from the start forcing some early errors it could increase their nervousness and increase our confidence (until the usual silly fuck up) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 13 hours ago, wellgirl said: I understand why people are unhappy. I went to my first away game in decades and had to watch that Aberdeen shit show. But I'm old enough to remember standing on the terraces at Fir Park in the winter with us getting battered off Morton. I don't think we are a shite team. I think we've just had lots of injuries this year and other things that have conspired against us. And if we do go down - fuck it. I'll support Motherwell till the end I honestly do hope Wimmer turns it around but if he doesn't it is what it is. I also don't think our players don't care about the club. We got beat by Morton last year in cup and outplayed. Don't need to look too far in history to see shit results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 Id like to see a return to high intensity, high ball wins for this. Lets get after Hearts from the off and get right in their faces. Yes, half of our players will be breathing out their arses after 60 mins but pick the team and subs accordingly and we can do this. It might not be enough to get the win in the end, but it will be a damn sight better watch than the shite we have seen the last 2 weeks! (Not to mention getting some positivity back into the support). Oh, and can we have Lennon Miller back in his proper position please. Boy looks lost in whatever formation we are attempting to play right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 Assume we all agree the high intensity approach is the way to go. I'd be happy to play 2 centre halves to enable another forward i.e Maswanhise. We need to play our wingbacks at an all out effort - we can always swap them out come 60 mins. Ideally same approach to the Dundee game and I'll accept any result that comes. What's not acceptable is the last 2 games and lack of reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 I think that’s the key. We go all out and sub when players start to get tired and don’t wait too long to sub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star sail Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 I know that managers don't like to use negative emotion as motivation for their players but with yet another red card being overturned because of a poor refereeing decision, I would like to think that a sense of injustice might put some extra fire in the belly for Saturday. Saturday's game is now our cup final for the season. The league cup semi-final was a bit of an anti climax and we are still suffering from the flash backs from Perth so this is the chance for this group of players to redeem themselves. It is too much to ask for some high energy, high tempo passionate football in what becomes the most important game of the season? I don't think the players will let us down this time. They kind of owe us one. The pressure is on Hearts. They start favourites because they are a bigger club but being only one point ahead of us tells the real story of their season to date. If we can get at them from the start there is nothing to be scared of. 2-0 Motherwell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 1 hour ago, star sail said: I know that managers don't like to use negative emotion as motivation for their players but with yet another red card being overturned because of a poor refereeing decision, I would like to think that a sense of injustice might put some extra fire in the belly for Saturday. Saturday's game is now our cup final for the season. The league cup semi-final was a bit of an anti climax and we are still suffering from the flash backs from Perth so this is the chance for this group of players to redeem themselves. It is too much to ask for some high energy, high tempo passionate football in what becomes the most important game of the season? I don't think the players will let us down this time. They kind of owe us one. The pressure is on Hearts. They start favourites because they are a bigger club but being only one point ahead of us tells the real story of their season to date. If we can get at them from the start there is nothing to be scared of. 2-0 Motherwell. Give us blood & snotters! 😍😍😍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 Balmer to use the negative emotion of the injustice to knock someone’s teeth out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted April 9 Author Report Share Posted April 9 https://youtube.com/shorts/-xe8h_5o-p0?si=yB0kSIEVYszji3uU Do that on Saturday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoshi-1991 Posted April 9 Report Share Posted April 9 2 hours ago, SteelmaninOZ said: https://youtube.com/shorts/-xe8h_5o-p0?si=yB0kSIEVYszji3uU Do that on Saturday Might just be me but these kind of posts from the clubs social media team just annoy me. Especially when we are on a poor run. Look good all you want in training, its what happens game day that counts and of late, it's been pish. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted April 9 Report Share Posted April 9 1 hour ago, Yoshi-1991 said: Might just be me but these kind of posts from the clubs social media team just annoy me. Especially when we are on a poor run. Look good all you want in training, it’s what happens game day that counts and of late, it's been pish. It’s not just you that finds this type of social media output incredibly tone deaf and unimaginative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted April 10 Report Share Posted April 10 37 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Someone on pie and bov just posted that Balcombe has let in 53 goals. We've conceded 56 all season so surely not 🤣🤣 from the BBC apparently who are clearly talking shite 34 for the Midden and 19 for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stv Posted April 10 Report Share Posted April 10 3 hours ago, wellgirl said: Just seems a bit odd that he's being picked out He couldn’t keep hen out a close. Butterfingers hasn’t got a look in on him. Ox for next game please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted April 11 Author Report Share Posted April 11 Dan Casey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunderwell Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 team! Oxborough O'Donnell Casey Balmer Wilson Davor Miller Slattery Sparrow Maswanhise Armstrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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