robsterwood Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 12 hours ago, wellgirl said: My brother said exactly the same when we were talking about it earlier on that they are comparable with Celtic and Rangers They are no where near standard of old firm. Remember we beat Rangers too not long ago so we shouldn't accept mediocrity. Lack of pace throughout our team is my main concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 I'm really not interested in how Twente played, good or bad, this season or last. And I could not care less about Falkirk or Edinburgh City. All of whom were, like us, playing their first game of the season. So all the same qualifications apply. What I am interested in is Motherwell and I expected more from them yesterday, even with all those valid comments about first game, new Manager, opposition, new tactics etc etc. And that's fair comment. Or am I and others not allowed to say we were disappointed in what we saw? Not overly concerned, but disappointed. Rightly or wrongly I expected more. The performance of our experienced defenders was poor and they looked far from comfortable at being asked to play out from the back, with Ward also struggling supporting as sweeper. Midfield and up front we looked ponderous, with little link up play. Lack of pace all over the pitch. Little threat up front. I challenge anyone who watched the game to say my assessment was wrong. . The youngsters that came on performed well, which also highlighted how off it the first choices were. But for me those youngsters were the only positive yesterday. Again that fact raises questions. And the budget available to the opposition is irrelevant. At times last season those same players performed well against opposition with far greater resources than us. Even when playing against superior opposition, I came away from some games feeling we had did ourselves justice., despite losing. Not yesterday. Will we improve? Most definitely. Am I saying we will struggle this season? No . Did I expect more from our established players? Yes. Will the new Manager be more aware now of the challenges he faces? Undoubtedly. The criticism posters are getting for raising valid points is nonsense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Blues Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 32 minutes ago, wellgirl said: He's a member but hasn't posted on here in years. He doesn't need to! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 13 hours ago, wellgirl said: Understand - but it's the same every season and we always get there in the end Just because we’ve “got there” in the past doesn’t mean that we will get there this time around. The reality is that we are probably due to be relegated, overdue perhaps. I am not one of these Motherwell fans who sees us as this tinpot nonentity that are smaller than clubs like Falkirk, Dunfermline, Morton etc and who no doubt would be in favour of us merging with Accies “for the good of the Scottish game” and all that nonsense…but given the level we operate at the budget available to us and that clubs who are undoubtedly bigger than us have been relegated more than once during our 40 year stay in the top flight then it’s inevitable sooner or later. Looking at our current situation, a poor squad bloated with guff and devoid of quality and a manager in place who - in my opinion - was the wrong choice of appointment and won’t last the season with us then that for me points to this season finally being the one where we are relegated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orinoco Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 On that happy and positive thought, we should just wind the club up and take up watching and analysing brick walls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 28 minutes ago, MJC said: Just because we’ve “got there” in the past doesn’t mean that we will get there this time around. The reality is that we are probably due to be relegated, overdue perhaps. I am not one of these Motherwell fans who sees us as this tinpot nonentity that are smaller than clubs like Falkirk, Dunfermline, Morton etc and who no doubt would be in favour of us merging with Accies “for the good of the Scottish game” and all that nonsense…but given the level we operate at the budget available to us and that clubs who are undoubtedly bigger than us have been relegated more than once during our 40 year stay in the top flight then it’s inevitable sooner or later. Looking at our current situation, a poor squad bloated with guff and devoid of quality and a manager in place who - in my opinion - was the wrong choice of appointment and won’t last the season with us then that for me points to this season finally being the one where we are relegated. We will end up relegated at some point but with Falkirk, Livi, Steven Presley's Dundee and (dare I say it) Stuart Kettlewell's Kilmarnock in the league it won't be this season. If you can at least accept relegation will happen at some point you'd be as well trying to enjoy it and have a bit of fun with it now and then rather than being a constant fucking misery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mccus28 Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 45 minutes ago, MJC said: Just because we’ve “got there” in the past doesn’t mean that we will get there this time around. The reality is that we are probably due to be relegated, overdue perhaps. I am not one of these Motherwell fans who sees us as this tinpot nonentity that are smaller than clubs like Falkirk, Dunfermline, Morton etc and who no doubt would be in favour of us merging with Accies “for the good of the Scottish game” and all that nonsense…but given the level we operate at the budget available to us and that clubs who are undoubtedly bigger than us have been relegated more than once during our 40 year stay in the top flight then it’s inevitable sooner or later. Looking at our current situation, a poor squad bloated with guff and devoid of quality and a manager in place who - in my opinion - was the wrong choice of appointment and won’t last the season with us then that for me points to this season finally being the one where we are relegated. Jesus Christ Glass half full kinda guy 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 57 minutes ago, MJC said: Just because we’ve “got there” in the past doesn’t mean that we will get there this time around. The reality is that we are probably due to be relegated, overdue perhaps. I am not one of these Motherwell fans who sees us as this tinpot nonentity that are smaller than clubs like Falkirk, Dunfermline, Morton etc and who no doubt would be in favour of us merging with Accies “for the good of the Scottish game” and all that nonsense…but given the level we operate at the budget available to us and that clubs who are undoubtedly bigger than us have been relegated more than once during our 40 year stay in the top flight then it’s inevitable sooner or later. Looking at our current situation, a poor squad bloated with guff and devoid of quality and a manager in place who - in my opinion - was the wrong choice of appointment and won’t last the season with us then that for me points to this season finally being the one where we are relegated. And literally every season - at some point in the season- you have us getting relegated. 2nd July however must be your record? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 2 hours ago, Jonesy said: "Defensively worryingly bad" "Miles off it, nowhere near the level" "Verging on embarrassing" "Looked awful" "Worrying signs already at this early stage" "Players X,Y,Z shouldn't be anywhere near the first team" "Chasing shadows" "Early days but uninspiring. Expected better" (Albeit as part of a much more sensible post) "In for a rude awakening when the real stuff starts" All sound pretty pant pissy to me. That was point i was trying to highlight last night, not having a go at the constructive posts, it was the likes of above comments which were annoying. Thank Feck SOD didnt start 🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 3 hours ago, Jonesy said: Apart from all the examples listed, no one. You're right. If this is you confusing critique with pissing your pants, I dread to think what toilet time looks like for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 I'm thinking about adding a pre-qualification question requirement before posting: "Do you understand the difference between a competitive match and a non-competitive pre-season friendly?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 16 minutes ago, weeyin said: I'm thinking about adding a pre-qualification question requirement before posting: "Do you understand the difference between a competitive match and a non-competitive pre-season friendly?" If that’s the case, you could add this requirement: “Do you understand the difference between pissing your pants and offering critique on a fans’ forum?” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 1 hour ago, wellfan said: If that’s the case, you could add this requirement: “Do you understand the difference between pissing your pants and offering critique on a fans’ forum?” For a start it's a pre season friendly so I don't really know why anyone cares. Beyond that we're getting used to another new manager who is setting up in a new formation and asking them to actually play football after 2 years of being told that the ball is their enemy, not to go anywhere near it and just let the other team keep it, of course there will be teething problems. Picking up on things like we didn't look comfortable playing out from defence or that the players were too slow to pick there pass (at time it felt like you could see their thoughts processing in real time but they're obviously still not sure of themselves yet) is a critique. Writing off some of the players or labelling it embarrassing is well past that and into lost the heid, pissed your wee panties territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mio Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 I think I may be one of the perceived pant pissers as i recognise a couple of my comments lol I certainly didn’t mean to offend or annoy any of our precious forum members but I don’t think I was wrong? But it’s a pre season friendly I agree and tbh I’ve forgotten all about it today. As much as I didn’t see many positives last night, it was good to watch us play and have players getting game time against a good side and I did think highly of a couple of youngsters thrown on in the 2nd half. ultimately tho it’s a fans forum, loads of supporters have different views, no point in folk getting worked up about it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 2 hours ago, weeyin said: I'm thinking about adding a pre-qualification question requirement before posting: "Do you understand the difference between a competitive match and a non-competitive pre-season friendly?" “Were you at the game caller”? ”Nah I wasn’t even in the country Jimmy” ”Okay…moving on” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erskine Alpha Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 I don’t think the result matters, I’m sure it’s about the new gaffer seeing what he can improve and where the focus will be in building a squad that will be able to compete 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Neils40yarder Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 Losing to Sligo over 2 legs is worthy of criticism A new manager losing his 1st friendly in a bounce game to a very competent Dutch side? Cmon man 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 3 minutes ago, 0Neils40yarder said: Losing to Sligo over 2 legs is worthy of criticism A new manager losing his 1st friendly in a bounce game to a very competent Dutch side? Cmon man I don’t think it necessarily is criticism of the new manager over last nights bounce game, more concerns being highlighted of some very glaring shortcomings in the team. The same shortcomings that were obvious throughout last season. It’s very difficult to judge how the team and the manager will fare going forward but there are clear causes for concern when looking at the squad, the team last night and the manager who is completely new and oblivious to Scottish football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yabba's Turd Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 42 minutes ago, MJC said: “Were you at the game caller”? ”Nah I wasn’t even in the country Jimmy” ”Okay…moving on” Say what now? The orange cheeto couldn't have said it any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 40 minutes ago, Yabba's Turd said: Say what now? The orange cheeto couldn't have said it any better. Jimmy Sanderson, ex Radio Clyde anchor? I’m sure you’ve heard of him. I just reckon if he got a caller trying to one-up others or play the smart-arse then heard that they weren’t even at the game and indeed watched it on a dodgy stream from the other side of the Atlantic then his response would have been pretty similar to my satirical post above. As for Cheetos, I quite like them, orange or otherwise. Politics? Hate them. I prefer to simply discuss football on here Boss. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yabba's Turd Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 Just a noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wispy Flossy Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 I thought we were poor last night for what it’s worth but not going to lose sleep over it. If we are as bad in 3 weeks time then I may get worried Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 2 hours ago, MJC said: I don’t think it necessarily is criticism of the new manager over last nights bounce game, more concerns being highlighted of some very glaring shortcomings in the team. The same shortcomings that were obvious throughout last season. It’s very difficult to judge how the team and the manager will fare going forward but there are clear causes for concern when looking at the squad, the team last night and the manager who is completely new and oblivious to Scottish football. As you point out the shortcomings in our team were there last season. Unreasonable to expect the manager to have addressed them all in under a month surely..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 19 minutes ago, MelvinBragg said: As you point out the shortcomings in our team were there last season. Unreasonable to expect the manager to have addressed them all in under a month surely..? Of course it is. But I just have this nagging worry that J.B.A will find it difficult/impossible to address them at all. No disrespect meant to the guy, honestly, but this is when we could have done with the “safe pair of hands” ie. a Tony Docherty type that knows the Scottish game, knows the league we play in. All of this is of course my opinion and I may well be proved wrong but that’s how I see things at present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 10 minutes ago, MJC said: Of course it is. But I just have this nagging worry that J.B.A will find it difficult/impossible to address them at all. No disrespect meant to the guy, honestly, but this is when we could have done with the “safe pair of hands” ie. a Tony Docherty type that knows the Scottish game, knows the league we play in. All of this is of course my opinion and I may well be proved wrong but that’s how I see things at present. Ask Dundee if Tony was a safe pair of hands. The statement ...... knows the Scottish game and safe pair of hands is why Scottish Football is shite, boring and dying on its arse. Thought you had more imagination than that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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