wellfan Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 16 minutes ago, weeyin said: I'm thinking about adding a pre-qualification question requirement before posting: "Do you understand the difference between a competitive match and a non-competitive pre-season friendly?" If that’s the case, you could add this requirement: “Do you understand the difference between pissing your pants and offering critique on a fans’ forum?” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 1 hour ago, wellfan said: If that’s the case, you could add this requirement: “Do you understand the difference between pissing your pants and offering critique on a fans’ forum?” For a start it's a pre season friendly so I don't really know why anyone cares. Beyond that we're getting used to another new manager who is setting up in a new formation and asking them to actually play football after 2 years of being told that the ball is their enemy, not to go anywhere near it and just let the other team keep it, of course there will be teething problems. Picking up on things like we didn't look comfortable playing out from defence or that the players were too slow to pick there pass (at time it felt like you could see their thoughts processing in real time but they're obviously still not sure of themselves yet) is a critique. Writing off some of the players or labelling it embarrassing is well past that and into lost the heid, pissed your wee panties territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mio Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 I think I may be one of the perceived pant pissers as i recognise a couple of my comments lol I certainly didn’t mean to offend or annoy any of our precious forum members but I don’t think I was wrong? But it’s a pre season friendly I agree and tbh I’ve forgotten all about it today. As much as I didn’t see many positives last night, it was good to watch us play and have players getting game time against a good side and I did think highly of a couple of youngsters thrown on in the 2nd half. ultimately tho it’s a fans forum, loads of supporters have different views, no point in folk getting worked up about it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 2 hours ago, weeyin said: I'm thinking about adding a pre-qualification question requirement before posting: "Do you understand the difference between a competitive match and a non-competitive pre-season friendly?" “Were you at the game caller”? ”Nah I wasn’t even in the country Jimmy” ”Okay…moving on” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erskine Alpha Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 I don’t think the result matters, I’m sure it’s about the new gaffer seeing what he can improve and where the focus will be in building a squad that will be able to compete 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Neils40yarder Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 Losing to Sligo over 2 legs is worthy of criticism A new manager losing his 1st friendly in a bounce game to a very competent Dutch side? Cmon man 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 3 minutes ago, 0Neils40yarder said: Losing to Sligo over 2 legs is worthy of criticism A new manager losing his 1st friendly in a bounce game to a very competent Dutch side? Cmon man I don’t think it necessarily is criticism of the new manager over last nights bounce game, more concerns being highlighted of some very glaring shortcomings in the team. The same shortcomings that were obvious throughout last season. It’s very difficult to judge how the team and the manager will fare going forward but there are clear causes for concern when looking at the squad, the team last night and the manager who is completely new and oblivious to Scottish football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yabba's Turd Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 42 minutes ago, MJC said: “Were you at the game caller”? ”Nah I wasn’t even in the country Jimmy” ”Okay…moving on” Say what now? The orange cheeto couldn't have said it any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 40 minutes ago, Yabba's Turd said: Say what now? The orange cheeto couldn't have said it any better. Jimmy Sanderson, ex Radio Clyde anchor? I’m sure you’ve heard of him. I just reckon if he got a caller trying to one-up others or play the smart-arse then heard that they weren’t even at the game and indeed watched it on a dodgy stream from the other side of the Atlantic then his response would have been pretty similar to my satirical post above. As for Cheetos, I quite like them, orange or otherwise. Politics? Hate them. I prefer to simply discuss football on here Boss. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yabba's Turd Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 Just a noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wispy Flossy Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 I thought we were poor last night for what it’s worth but not going to lose sleep over it. If we are as bad in 3 weeks time then I may get worried Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 2 hours ago, MJC said: I don’t think it necessarily is criticism of the new manager over last nights bounce game, more concerns being highlighted of some very glaring shortcomings in the team. The same shortcomings that were obvious throughout last season. It’s very difficult to judge how the team and the manager will fare going forward but there are clear causes for concern when looking at the squad, the team last night and the manager who is completely new and oblivious to Scottish football. As you point out the shortcomings in our team were there last season. Unreasonable to expect the manager to have addressed them all in under a month surely..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 19 minutes ago, MelvinBragg said: As you point out the shortcomings in our team were there last season. Unreasonable to expect the manager to have addressed them all in under a month surely..? Of course it is. But I just have this nagging worry that J.B.A will find it difficult/impossible to address them at all. No disrespect meant to the guy, honestly, but this is when we could have done with the “safe pair of hands” ie. a Tony Docherty type that knows the Scottish game, knows the league we play in. All of this is of course my opinion and I may well be proved wrong but that’s how I see things at present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 10 minutes ago, MJC said: Of course it is. But I just have this nagging worry that J.B.A will find it difficult/impossible to address them at all. No disrespect meant to the guy, honestly, but this is when we could have done with the “safe pair of hands” ie. a Tony Docherty type that knows the Scottish game, knows the league we play in. All of this is of course my opinion and I may well be proved wrong but that’s how I see things at present. Ask Dundee if Tony was a safe pair of hands. The statement ...... knows the Scottish game and safe pair of hands is why Scottish Football is shite, boring and dying on its arse. Thought you had more imagination than that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 Just now, stv said: Ask Dundee if Tony was a safe pair of hands. The statement ...... knows the Scottish game and safe pair of hands is why Scottish Football is shite, boring and dying on its arse. Thought you had more imagination than that. He kept them in the league didn’t he? And I’d be amazed if most Dundee fans are thrilled at having Steven Pressley as his replacement. And I’d be pretty astounded if many/any thought that Pressley was an upgrade on Tony Doc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 3 minutes ago, MJC said: He kept them in the league didn’t he? And I’d be amazed if most Dundee fans are thrilled at having Steven Pressley as his replacement. And I’d be pretty astounded if many/any thought that Pressley was an upgrade on Tony Doc. Aye they probably think Pressley is a safe pair of hands that knows the Scottish game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 31 minutes ago, MJC said: Of course it is. But I just have this nagging worry that J.B.A will find it difficult/impossible to address them at all. No disrespect meant to the guy, honestly, but this is when we could have done with the “safe pair of hands” ie. a Tony Docherty type that knows the Scottish game, knows the league we play in. All of this is of course my opinion and I may well be proved wrong but that’s how I see things at present. If we'd appointed Docherty, I wouldn't have renewed my season ticket... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 10 minutes ago, stv said: Ask Dundee if Tony was a safe pair of hands. The statement ...... knows the Scottish game and safe pair of hands is why Scottish Football is shite, boring and dying on its arse. Thought you had more imagination than that. I couldn't agree more,the scottish game is pish cause there's far too many managers that play the same way and sign the same old guff players that float between premier league clubs,kettlewell is a prime example,shit manager that's filling his Kilmarnock squad with rejects from around the league.lets be honest McInnes to hearts,kettlewell to Killie and Pressley to dundee is grim.the safe pair and of hands patter is another way of saying there a shit manager.no manager needs to have experience of the scottish league to go and get results against the likes of livingston and dundee.im all for us breaking the mould again and going with a foreign manager,who knows how it will work out for us but i for one would have been on a downer before the season started if we had appointed one of the usual suspects in the scottish game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 5 hours ago, MJC said: I don’t think it necessarily is criticism of the new manager over last nights bounce game, more concerns being highlighted of some very glaring shortcomings in the team. The same shortcomings that were obvious throughout last season. It’s very difficult to judge how the team and the manager will fare going forward but there are clear causes for concern when looking at the squad, the team last night and the manager who is completely new and oblivious to Scottish football. I can see where you're coming from here. Where we differ perhaps is that I'm excited by JBA's appointment. A bold one certainly. However, he'll take some weeks to get up to speed with the squad with its shortcomings. As you say, many were obvious last season. However, its early in the transfer window and we have time to bring in a number of much needed reinforcements. Our immediate problem is that the League Cup kicks off in about 10 days time and we only have one more friendly arranged before then. I hope coaches at the club have been briefing him about our long standing shortcomings. I'm a little concerned about the signing of Elliot Watt. He's a strange signing and I just wonder who was behind that. No doubt he was presented to JBA as a fait accompli. On the plus side I'm not worried about Lennon Miller's departure as his influence on the team in the latter part of last season wasn't significant and we still finished 8th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 17 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: I can see where you're coming from here. Where we differ perhaps is that I'm excited by JBA's appointment. A bold one certainly. However, he'll take some weeks to get up to speed with the squad with its shortcomings. As you say, many were obvious last season. However, its early in the transfer window and we have time to bring in a number of much needed reinforcements. Our immediate problem is that the League Cup kicks off in about 10 days time and we only have one more friendly arranged before then. I hope coaches at the club have been briefing him about our long standing shortcomings. I'm a little concerned about the signing of Elliot Watt. He's a strange signing and I just wonder who was behind that. No doubt he was presented to JBA as a fait accompli. On the plus side I'm not worried about Lennon Miller's departure as his influence on the team in the latter part of last season wasn't significant and we still finished 8th. To be fair - we've had a few signings that fans have thought were odd and have come good Pretty sure JBA will have done his homework on us and is aware of the teams weak points. Yeah. I think this is a very decent appointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunderwell Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 On 7/1/2025 at 8:09 PM, wellfan said: I’m not going to overreact to tonight’s performance or result, but there are some glaring issues that need sorting: We badly need a proper back-up—or even a replacement—for Oxborough. Ward was poor tonight. We need a left-back who’s genuinely ahead of Wilson. SOD should be shown the door. He was appalling yet again. We’ve still not replaced Casey. Maybe McGhee fills that gap, but I’d still want another option ahead of Balmer. We need a proper successor to Miller. It’s not Elliot Watt or Halliday. Maswanhise isn’t the answer. We need a proper winger. Stama isn’t the answer either. We need a big, athletic centre-forward who can actually lead the line. Passing out from the back? It’s never going to work with this keeper and this defence. And do we even know what our best formation is? Where do Sparrow and Fadinger fit? You could ask this of others as well. On the plus side, a few of the young lads stepped up under difficult circumstances. I thought number 30, Campbell Forrest, was the standout in midfield. And the manager now has a much clearer picture of what he’s working with, and what he still needs. So irrespective of people saying no no no Wellfan it wasn't you - this is the post that instigated all the chat over it's just a friendly but the points made are much deeper and can be taken over a much longer time period. 1. Not Proven! Oxborough has shown enough to be a Motherwell first team player. But when he is injured there is some serious question marks over a suitable number 2. Ward didn't impress on his debut and over the next 5-6 games we can see exactly where he is. Balcombe was not good enough last season. The point of getting a good second keeper remains valid but maybe answered by Ward or not in the forthcoming games. 2. Guilty! Not based on last night but over a 6 month period. Wilson looks the back up and we need to sign a first team left back. 3. Guilty! over a long term we cannot afford a player who continually loses us sloppy goals - we cannot afford that over a season. 4. Guilty! Again we need a first team level central defender. 5. Not Proven! Too early to say on Elliot Watt his description is very much a Lennon Miller type player. Halliday as we know is not that. Again after 6-7 games we will know. 6. Not Proven! He was on fire playing in a wide position of a 3 when he first arrived. Now he's playing as a number ten. Play him as a winger and see if he can be what we need. I think he may be. 7. Not Guilty! Stama I rate highly but only in the right system - alongside a big number 9 and playing off him or with two wingers either side. Play to peoples strengths. Don't make him what he is not. 8. Guilty! Every foreign manager (see Valakari) tries this at first. They soon learn! 9. Not proven! Last nights evidence didn't tell us much - but a little - what he is trying to do we do not have the quality to do. So irrespective of Twente game or not - these points should be taken over the course & considering they have all got very valid aspects to them - this is the real discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 6 hours ago, wunderwell said: So irrespective of people saying no no no Wellfan it wasn't you - this is the post that instigated all the chat over it's just a friendly but the points made are much deeper and can be taken over a much longer time period. 1. Not Proven! Oxborough has shown enough to be a Motherwell first team player. But when he is injured there is some serious question marks over a suitable number 2. Ward didn't impress on his debut and over the next 5-6 games we can see exactly where he is. Balcombe was not good enough last season. The point of getting a good second keeper remains valid but maybe answered by Ward or not in the forthcoming games. 2. Guilty! Not based on last night but over a 6 month period. Wilson looks the back up and we need to sign a first team left back. 3. Guilty! over a long term we cannot afford a player who continually loses us sloppy goals - we cannot afford that over a season. 4. Guilty! Again we need a first team level central defender. 5. Not Proven! Too early to say on Elliot Watt his description is very much a Lennon Miller type player. Halliday as we know is not that. Again after 6-7 games we will know. 6. Not Proven! He was on fire playing in a wide position of a 3 when he first arrived. Now he's playing as a number ten. Play him as a winger and see if he can be what we need. I think he may be. 7. Not Guilty! Stama I rate highly but only in the right system - alongside a big number 9 and playing off him or with two wingers either side. Play to peoples strengths. Don't make him what he is not. 8. Guilty! Every foreign manager (see Valakari) tries this at first. They soon learn! 9. Not proven! Last nights evidence didn't tell us much - but a little - what he is trying to do we do not have the quality to do. So irrespective of Twente game or not - these points should be taken over the course & considering they have all got very valid aspects to them - this is the real discussion. That’s just your reasoned opinion versus mine, which is completely fair. Based on your response, my post seems pretty balanced: you agreed with four points and disagreed with five. The idea that views like mine somehow equate to pant-wetting insanity is, frankly, madness in itself. The long and short of it is—and this isn’t aimed at you—is that too many are more interested in posting reductive pish to take shots at anyone voicing an opinion, rather than offering anything constructively critical themselves. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunderwell Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 4 hours ago, wellfan said: That’s just your reasoned opinion versus mine, which is completely fair. Based on your response, my post seems pretty balanced: you agreed with four points and disagreed with five. The idea that views like mine somehow equate to pant-wetting insanity is, frankly, madness in itself. The long and short of it is—and this isn’t aimed at you—is that too many are more interested in posting reductive pish to take shots at anyone voicing an opinion, rather than offering anything constructively critical themselves. Exactly - and whilst I disagreed with 5, 4 of them I have put not proven and in time that could be as high 8/9 that I agree with. All in, this is what I prefer in the forum. I felt that your post got skipped over without acknowledgement or debate as it was in this thread. Hopefully this triggers a few more comments rather than it was a meaningless friendly and we move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 22 hours ago, MJC said: I am not one of these Motherwell fans who sees us as this tinpot nonentity that are smaller than clubs like Falkirk, Dunfermline, Morton etc and who no doubt would be in favour of us merging with Accies “for the good of the Scottish game” and all that nonsense I have literally never met a Motherwell fan who wanted us to merge with Accies. Ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 27 minutes ago, David said: I have literally never met a Motherwell fan who wanted us to merge with Accies. Ever. Mind there was talk of us merging with airdrie when boyle first came in and the fans were going off there head about that,like you said I've never met a motherwell fan that has wanted to merge with any other club.ive also never known a Motherwell fan that thinks we're a tinpot entity either that's a smaller club than morton and Dunfermline,mjc is clearly making stuff up cause there isn't any games the now where he can predict we're going to lose every time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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