Rangers v Motherwell 27/12/2025

[wellon]

24 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:

Not sure why any of this needs to be a conspiracy at all.

1. Our officials are poor and often get decisions abysmally wrong.

2. Big teams always get more decisions in their favour. Especially at home. Its a tale as old as time.

3. There will undoubtedly be unconcious bias with all officials. As human beings, we all have that. 

As for the penalty. Thought it was a stonewaller in real time. Less so now Ive seen it from the side view. Fernandez hangs his leg out and there is definite contact, so I think its still a pen, but it is of the softer variety.

If thats a goalkeeper going to ground and not getting the ball and the attacking player takes the contact and goes down, its being given all day long and he is praised for being "clever". Its 100% given at the opposite end, or at least reviewed by VAR.

I'm with you,  I thought at time pen, but after seeing it again not as convinced but it sure as hell would've been given up other end.

[wellon]

2 minutes ago, wellon said:

Celtic get as many dodgy decisions if not more but not as much made of it as all the refs are Masons apparently and they have been on the wrong end of decisions for years .

All that said Rangers do not bad as well.

There will be a dodgy decision on Tuesday,  not the most earth shattering prediction , just hope it doesn't affect the score v them 

Not seen celtic pen v livi but apparently it's a shocker 

[wellfan]

15 hours ago, MJC said:

Or another interpretation is that I don’t buy into half baked conspiracy theories and aren’t seeing things through a cliched “Rangers get everything” set of tinted specs? 🤷‍♂️ 

Calling it a conspiracy is just an easy way to avoid the bigger picture. I’m not saying “Rangers get everything”, it’s about patterns and who benefits over a season in terms of big decisions. If you’re focused on individual incidents, we’re simply looking at this differently.

[wellon]

41 minutes ago, wellon said:

Not seen celtic pen v livi but apparently it's a shocker 

Just watched " pen" , words fail me.

[dennyc]

42 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:

Not sure why any of this needs to be a conspiracy at all.

1. Our officials are poor and often get decisions abysmally wrong.

2. Big teams always get more decisions in their favour. Especially at home. Its a tale as old as time.

3. There will undoubtedly be unconcious bias with all officials. As human beings, we all have that. 

As for the penalty. Thought it was a stonewaller in real time. Less so now Ive seen it from the side view. Fernandez hangs his leg out and there is definite contact, so I think its still a pen, but it is of the softer variety.

If thats a goalkeeper going to ground and not getting the ball and the attacking player takes the contact and goes down, its being given all day long and he is praised for being "clever". Its 100% given at the opposite end, or at least reviewed by VAR.

Agree with this. No conspiracy but certainly incompetence is an issue with referees and VAR officials. We recall examples of when Motherwell were wronged, but speaking to fans of other Clubs they can easily trot out numerous examples involving their own team.

No doubt there is a subconscious fear of calling it wrong and the subsequent media reaction. That does play a part. More so if the OF are disadvantaged. But all teams suffer, including Rangers at times. Maybe just less so. The fact they were denied a Cup Final win by poor officials is a recent example. Even Collum  acknowledged that error. Or does pointing out that fact  also make me a closet Rangers fan? Or a Liv fan for pointing out how harshly they have been treated all season? Or a Dundee Utd fan if I sometimes agree with Goodwin? 

Whilst Collum is in charge and there is no accountability nothing will change. VAR or no VAR. Sadly it is something we as fans can do nothing about. 

[Kmcalpin]

Over the decades, I've seen both halves of the gruesome twosome benefit consistently from poor officiating. No difference whatsoever between them. There's a number of reasons for that, all of which have been covered here. VAR is not at fault; its the poor officiating behind it. That won't change  

[wellfan]

1 hour ago, Kmcalpin said:

Over the decades, I've seen both halves of the gruesome twosome benefit consistently from poor officiating. No difference whatsoever between them. There's a number of reasons for that, all of which have been covered here. VAR is not at fault; its the poor officiating behind it. That won't change  

Totally agree. As I’ve said all along, it’s the idiots operating VAR, not the technology itself. Rangers and Celtic have benefited from this level of incompetence and cheating for decades, VAR or no VAR, while the rest of the league suffers. The only real solution is to bring in officials untainted by the sectarian nonsense that infects the Scottish game. It’ll never happen because the SFA is a shambles, but we should return to the 2010 strike model and hire neutral, top-tier officials from Europe. 

[texanwellfan]

1 hour ago, wellon said:

Just watched " pen" , words fail me.

My take was that it hit defender’s arm but was pushed into it by Celtic player. Never a pk 

[wellon]

2 hours ago, texanwellfan said:

My take was that it hit defender’s arm but was pushed into it by Celtic player. Never a pk 

Only good point is , it didn't happen v us, but I'm sure something will crop up Tues 

[Orinoco]

Referee having no problems seeing Rangers penalty today. 

Mind you Aberdeen are awful.

[grizzlyg]

57 minutes ago, Orinoco said:

Referee having no problems seeing Rangers penalty today. 

Mind you Aberdeen are awful.

Good result for us as keeps us 12pts ahead of utd and dons,  top 6 place  getting closer 

[Orinoco]

Our favourite referee, Dickinson with no hesitation in awarding his club a penalty against Killie and sending Thompson off after 3 mins.

You can guarantee he will be the referee when they come calling next week. 

Dickinson is The bigots go to referee these days.

[Orinoco]

Followed up by ignoring a yellow card challenge on a Killie player.

[MJC]

1 hour ago, Orinoco said:

Our favourite referee, Dickinson with no hesitation in awarding his club a penalty against Killie and sending Thompson off after 3 mins.

You can guarantee he will be the referee when they come calling next week. 

Dickinson is The bigots go to referee these days.

It was a stonewaller.

Dry your eyes.

[Spiderpig]

1 hour ago, MJC said:

It was a stonewaller.

Dry your eyes.

A bold statement, Were you at the game? mon the big team.

[grizzlyg]

2 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:

A bold statement, Were you at the game? mon the big team.

Seeing it on highlights I think its a definite red, conceded by a classic Kettlewell signing for us

[Andy H]

Just seen the highlights, that was a pen every day.  Would be very pissed if not given for us

[joewarkfanclub]

10 minutes ago, Andy H said:

Just seen the highlights, that was a pen every day.  Would be very pissed if not given for us

Was it worse than the one on Fadinger?

[Orinoco]

Exactly. Both incidents were penalties. Whether a red was required is debatable. Anyone think that red is given at the other end? Dickinson and once again VAR ignore Tavernier, who was on a booking, last man foul on the Killie attacker. No suprise that yet again the officials give them the benefit of doubt.

The officials have got The Rangers back into the title race.

[thewelllfan]

Rangers have had multiple decisions go in their favour that has won them points

Livi didn't get a stonewall handball which could of put them 2-1 up and the game finished 2-1 Rangers

We didn't get a stonewall penalty which could of got us a point

Gassama initiated contact for a penalty they shouldn't have got against Dundee which got them a point.

It's not exactly a surprise Tavernier avoided the red card is it.

 

[mio]

Definitely a penalty but the whole double jeopardy is a nonsense when dealing with refs up here.
the main issue for me was that Tavernier was booked and then he deserves another booking when he hauled the striker down when it would been a 1 on 1. 

it was 1-0 at that stage, I think Killie deserve to be a bit put out by that.

anyway… we all know (well most of us) what we are up against up here. Its always been the case.

[MJC]

The usual baloney and chest thumping outrage when Rangers get a decision running rife in this thread I see. And as usual only the facts and stats that suit the tired old nonsensical claim that “Rangers get everything” are put forward while the ones that don’t are just ignored. 
 

For example, the red card that Killie received last night was actually the first time an opponent of Rangers has seen red in a domestic game since May 2024. But you won’t read that in the media because they dance to Celtic’s tune and so for the same reason very little was made of Celtic going over 80 domestic matches without receiving a red card. Indeed only Derek McInnes alluded to this the other week after the Hearts v Celtic game. The usual suspects in the media who would have been all over that stat like a rash if Rangers had benefited from even half of that number of games in the same way as they were a few years back with the ‘Penalty to Rangers’ carry on were surprisingly nowhere to be seen over that one. Same with all the muppets who buy into and spout that same nonsense.

For a team that supposedly get all the decisions and have the officials in their pockets it’s surprising then that the two above stats could be true, but there they are anyway.

You see decisions which are baffling and inconsistent compared with similar incidents in other games week in week out, but only when it’s Rangers that benefit then people start foaming at the mouth about cheating and conspiracies. It’s pathetic and just another example of how so many just can’t think for themselves.

[mio]

You seem to be the one foaming at the mouth. More drum pounding than chest thumping from you 🤣

[MJC]

4 minutes ago, mio said:

You seem to be the one foaming at the mouth. More drum pounding than chest thumping from you 🤣

Ahh drum pounding. A very mature and measured response.

I’m simply stating some facts and some home truths. That Killie’s red card last night was the first time a domestic opponent of Rangers has been sent off since May 2024. Almost two years. And at the same time Celtic went over 80 domestic matches without receiving a red card. And lo and behold when both of those runs are finally ended all hell breaks loose and the conspiracy theorists come crawling out the woodwork.

[Orinoco]

Wow what an utterly pathetic response from our resident the rangers apologist. Ah but what about Celtic, blah blah blah. 

How dare we question a bias that has been going on for decades.