wellfan Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 15 minutes ago, Toxteth O'Grady said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm28gvm12pzo For two clubs who love a statement, I was also thinking they had been rather quiet this week Both clubs have identical paranoid victim complexes, so it’s no surprise neither has publicly condemned the disgraceful behaviour of their fans. Whatever punishment the relevant authorities hand down, it won’t be enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mio Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 18 minutes ago, Toxteth O'Grady said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm28gvm12pzo For two clubs who love a statement, I was also thinking they had been rather quiet this week They won’t make a statement about how rotten to the core both clubs are. Rangers: really sorry about the pitch invasion and the assaults on the police and Celtic coach and the incessant sectarian singing….. but Celtic started it. Celtic: sorry about the mini pitch invasion, the rushing of the turnstiles, the vandalism and the tagging of 66 all over Ibrox….. but Rangers started it. its just boring whataboutery all the time and anyone with a brain knows it. Dock the 2 of them points and make them play in an empty stadium for 6 months. That’ll fk them both off!! starting on Saturday please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 21 minutes ago, Toxteth O'Grady said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm28gvm12pzo For two clubs who love a statement, I was also thinking they had been rather quiet this week It's all about deflection. Stand by as official fan groups criticise the police but don't acknowledge the behaviour of those same fans inside and outside the ground. Although there is police strategy that needs looked at, their response to the fan statements is spot on regarding the silence from both Clubs. Hiding behind the fact there will be an investigation so not appropriate to comment. Really? No OF condemnation of anything the fans did. Let the spotlight focus elsewhere. Disgracefully the media mostly do their best to aid the deflection. Will we see the BBC doing a full report not only highlighting the on field carry-on but also the damage to the stadium, the storming of the turnstiles, the actions of players and officials as well as both sets of fans, the sale of tickets that ended up in the hands of fans banned from Celtic Park? The PR machine is currently in full mode so don't hold your breath. At the end of the day the Authorities will issue pointless fines and a few culprits will be charged. Away fans at OF games will be banned for a time, which will have no impact on either club financially. Why not play OF games behind closed doors until the end of next season as that would have greater impact? The excuse it was a Cup match will be used to justify no action League points wise. Threats of harsher sanctions for any repeat will be made, possibly even suspended penalties. Celtic will eventually pay for the repairs. But nothing will change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago If they haven't condemned the shocking goings on, then it makes strict liability all the easier to apply. Suggestions also of sectarianism but I don't suppose anybody is too keen to investigate that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mio Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: If they haven't condemned the shocking goings on, then it makes strict liability all the easier to apply. Suggestions also of sectarianism but I don't suppose anybody is too keen to investigate that. “Suggestions”? Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago Rumours doing the rounds that the damage down to the away end by Celtic fans is so bad that stand might not be able to be used for Rangers next home game a week on Saturday. Celtic of course have previous for this as we know only too well given they have on more than one occasion caused thousands of pounds worth of damage to the South Stand at Fir Park and they’ve done it elsewhere too. Neither side comes out of Sunday well but Celtic deserve the lions share of blame and I would imagine talks are going on between both clubs behind the scenes on footing the bill for this before any statements are released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, MJC said: Rumours doing the rounds that the damage down to the away end by Celtic fans is so bad that stand might not be able to be used for Rangers next home game a week on Saturday. Celtic of course have previous for this as we know only too well given they have on more than one occasion caused thousands of pounds worth of damage to the South Stand at Fir Park and they’ve done it elsewhere too. Neither side comes out of Sunday well but Celtic deserve the lions share of blame and I would imagine talks are going on between both clubs behind the scenes on footing the bill for this before any statements are released. I bet the damages bill is only a fraction of what the Rangers fans inflicted on Manchester a few years ago, both of them two cheecks of the same Arse, Scotlands ongoing shame. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 2 hours ago, MJC said: Rumours doing the rounds that the damage down to the away end by Celtic fans is so bad that stand might not be able to be used for Rangers next home game a week on Saturday. Celtic of course have previous for this as we know only too well given they have on more than one occasion caused thousands of pounds worth of damage to the South Stand at Fir Park and they’ve done it elsewhere too. Neither side comes out of Sunday well but Celtic deserve the lions share of blame and I would imagine talks are going on between both clubs behind the scenes on footing the bill for this before any statements are released. Neither club deserve the lions share. The fans who participated in the pitch invasions, violence, vandalism & rushing of the gates are to blame! Saying it is the clubs fault is too easy. Its not our fault if one of our fans steals someones flag or drum. It is squarly the fault of the fan themself who commited x,y or z. Could the police have had more officers present? Yes. Is violence, vandalism & rule breaking only due to that? Of course not. It is on the individual! For me, that is why both clubs should be critical of the behaviour witnessed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 30 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: I bet the damages bill is only a fraction of what the Rangers fans inflicted on Manchester a few years ago, both of them two cheecks of the same Arse, Scotlands ongoing shame. Irrelevant whatabouttery. 15 minutes ago, Big Stall said: Neither club deserve the lions share. The fans who participated in the pitch invasions, violence, vandalism & rushing of the gates are to blame! Only Celtic fans rushed the gates and caused significant damage to the stadium at the game on Sunday. What happened at the end of the match does not reflect well on either side but it looks worse on Celtic because it was their fans who kicked the whole thing off by invading the park and goading the home support. There was always going to be a reaction to that from the Rangers fans. Just consider this scenario. We’re playing Airdrie at home in the Cup, their fans are in the bottom tier of the South Stand. It goes to penalties, Airdrie win the shootout and immediately a number of their fans jump onto the park, kicking down advertising boards and gesturing and goading the East Stand where the Well Bois are. What do you think happens then? Do you or anyone else seriously think that none of them wouldn’t retaliate by also invading the park?? Nah, neither do I. In that scenario both clubs should also be critical of the behaviour on show. However would posters on here be largely of the opinion that while we don’t come out of it well, had Airdrie’s fans not invaded the park and goaded our fans in the first place then the entire incident wouldn’t have happened? And would they be okay with suggestions that Airdrie’s fans were only on the park in celebratory mode and our fans who then retaliated only went on with the intention of fighting and causing bother? Because I don’t think that would sit well with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 5 minutes ago, MJC said: Just consider this scenario. We’re playing Airdrie at home in the Cup, their fans are in the bottom tier of the South Stand. It goes to penalties, Airdrie win the shootout and immediately a number of their fans jump onto the park, kicking down advertising boards and gesturing and goading the East Stand where the Well Bois are. What do you think happens then? Do you or anyone else seriously think that none of them wouldn’t retaliate by also invading the park?? Nah, neither do I. In that scenario both clubs should also be critical of the behaviour on show. However would posters on here be largely of the opinion that while we don’t come out of it well, had Airdrie’s fans not invaded the park and goaded our fans in the first place then the entire incident wouldn’t have happened? And would they be okay with suggestions that Airdrie’s fans were only on the park in celebratory mode and our fans who then retaliated only went on with the intention of fighting and causing bother? Because I don’t think that would sit well with me. Utterly irrelevant whatabouttery. Another huge fame coming up for us and folk are still arguing the toss over two clubs who couldn't give a toss about any other club in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 2 minutes ago, bobbybingo said: Utterly irrelevant whatabouttery. Another huge fame coming up for us and folk are still arguing the toss over two clubs who couldn't give a toss about any other club in Scotland. Well considering one of those two clubs is the next one we’re playing and that same clubs fans have caused similar damage to our own stadium as they did at Ibrox the other day then I can understand it to an extent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago Just now, MJC said: Well considering one of those two clubs is the next one we’re playing and that same clubs fans have caused similar damage to our own stadium as they did at Ibrox the other day then I can understand it to an extent. At least you managed to have Motherwell losing at home to lower league opposition in your fantasy scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted 49 minutes ago Report Share Posted 49 minutes ago 14 minutes ago, bobbybingo said: At least you managed to have Motherwell losing at home to lower league opposition in your fantasy scenario. Yeah cos that would never happen would it? But it was more to illustrate the point that if our fans reacted to our rivals fans jumping on our park and goading us after beating us then I don’t think it would go down well with the majority of us if it was being suggested by anyone that both are as much to blame as each other or indeed that their pitch invasion was joyous while ours was driven purely by aggression. But anyway, time to draw the line under this and move on to the game on Saturday. 4-0 Celtic is my prediction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted 42 minutes ago Report Share Posted 42 minutes ago 4 minutes ago, MJC said: Yeah cos that would never happen would it? But it was more to illustrate the point that if our fans reacted to our rivals fans jumping on our park and goading us after beating us then I don’t think it would go down well with the majority of us if it was being suggested by anyone that both are as much to blame as each other or indeed that their pitch invasion was joyous while ours was driven purely by aggression. But anyway, time to draw the line under this and move on to the game on Saturday. 4-0 Celtic is my prediction. 2-1 to the mighty. Worst case, a draw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted 32 minutes ago Report Share Posted 32 minutes ago I think we’ll struggle to score. Sinisalo looks to have tightened their defence up since he took over from Schmeichel and their defence look to have more confidence in him, albeit still pretty shaky. A team with a clinical forward line could still punish them but we unfortunately don’t have that. TJM as ever will be our best goal threat but we will concede at least two I reckon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted 27 minutes ago Report Share Posted 27 minutes ago 1 hour ago, Big Stall said: The fans who participated in the pitch invasions, violence, vandalism & rushing of the gates are to blame! Saying it is the clubs fault is too easy. Its not our fault if one of our fans steals someones flag or drum. It is squarly the fault of the fan themself who commited x,y or z. Could the police have had more officers present? Yes. Is violence, vandalism & rule breaking only due to that? Of course not. It is on the individual! For me, that is why both clubs should be critical of the behaviour witnessed. Thats a powerful argument, very powerful. However, a precedent was set when clubs, including ours, were held accountable for their fans use of pyros, albeit at behest of Scottish ministers. Surely that same approach will be used here. Also, in the interests of consistency, Scottish ministers have to apply pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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