St Mirren v Motherwell 30/08/2026

[weeyin]

1 hour ago, cambo97 said:

As somebody mentioned earlier, encroachment is now only penalised if it affect the kicker or if they play the ball after. Ridiculously because too many penalties were been retaken, so instead of continuing to enforce the law until the players learned, they decided to legalise it.
Pundits should know this it's their job!!
 

Watch the replay on Sportscene while they discuss it and you'll see Gogic met all those criteria. 

His encroachment allowed him to affect JT on the rebound. 

[grizzlyg]

7 hours ago, Kmcalpin said:

True up to a point Grizzly, but I feel we have missed Stephen Welsh at the back. He is a big lad and no-one pushed him around. Also Elliot Watt is somewhat bigger than Joe Hodge.  

Yup Welsh and Moormann would be some combination 

[grizzlyg]

2 hours ago, weeyin said:

Watch the replay on Sportscene while they discuss it and you'll see Gogic met all those criteria. 

His encroachment allowed him to affect JT on the rebound. 

Fact Ricky Foster thought it wasn't a pen says it all

[Prestwickwell]

7 hours ago, weeyin said:

You think an EPL scouting team wasn't aware of his height before they signed him?

He's not trying to head the ball, and you don't need to be super tall to have hands that reach higher than a tall player's head.

I'm still not sure why fans are fine with midfielders that make a couple of stray passes or strikers that miss a good chance or two, but expect a keeper to be 100% error free in every game.

You only have to go back to Thursday to see a keeper with a top team make a howler from Longelo's shot. Take a look at Match of the Day on any given week and you'll see a couple of mistakes from the first team starter goalies.

 

 

Don’t think anybodies said they expect him to be error free so thats not the point…

u don’t think we’re fragile from set pieces?

 

if i was another team I’d be putting long throws, corners right on top of him 

[Kmcalpin]

22 minutes ago, Prestwickwell said:

Don’t think anybodies said they expect him to be error free so thats not the point…

Exactly. All keepers, and indeed players, make mistakes and I accept that. My point is though that dealing with high balls is a weak part of his game. 

I accept that you can get keepers who are relatively small but who are great in the air. The late Jocky Robertson springs to mind. But, they are very much the exception. 

My knowledge of the English Premier League is limited, at best, but I do know that the Chelsea keeper, at 6-0, is the smallest in that league. He's an outlier. 

Andy Goram famously said that he didn't do cross balls, because of his height. He was an exceptional shot stopper and that was his role. To compensate for that, Rangers had 2 full backs whose job was to prevent any crosses. In the unlikely event that the opposing team managed to get a cross or corner in, then they had 2 huge central defenders whose job was to protect Goram. 

Last season, JBA's approach was to retain possession to such an extent that it was unlikely that our opponents were unlikely to test Ward much in the air. 

This season I don't know if we've got this quite right. 

[GrahamH]

5 hours ago, cambo97 said:

As somebody mentioned earlier, encroachment is now only penalised if it affect the kicker or if they play the ball after. Ridiculously because too many penalties were been retaken, so instead of continuing to enforce the law until the players learned, they decided to legalise it.
Pundits should know this it's their job!!
 

He clearly goes towards the ball and impacts Maswanhise collecting the rebound. It should have been a retake.

[MJC]

15 hours ago, weeyin said:

You predicted a 2 -1 home win earlier in the thread. 

I said that we wouldn’t have won the game when a poster said at half time to wait and see where we were at the end of the game.

And I was right about that.

Artichoke Cholmondeley….

I was right

[mcguru]

6 hours ago, texanwellfan said:

Seems like there were plenty people saying the player who encroached interfered with JT getting the rebound. I haven’t looked close enough to comment on that. 

That's a good point actually. The law, as now written , simply says " the encroachment clearly impacted on the kicker".

FIFA failed to clarify do they mean impacted him kicking the ball?

 

[GrahamH]

57 minutes ago, mcguru said:

That's a good point actually. The law, as now written , simply says " the encroachment clearly impacted on the kicker".

FIFA failed to clarify do they mean impacted him kicking the ball?

 

I would read that as impacting the actual penalty kick, which it didn’t. An answer from IFAB is:

The penalty kick is retaken only if the encroachment clearly impacted on the kicker or the ball rebounds into play and the encroaching player then plays the ball or challenges an opponent for the ball and prevents the opponents from scoring, attempting to score or creating a goal-scoring opportunity.
Gogic clearly impacted Maswanhise collecting the rebound so it’s the second part that is relevant.

[weeyin]

19 minutes ago, GrahamH said:

I would read that as impacting the actual penalty kick, which it didn’t. An answer from IFAB is:

The penalty kick is retaken only if the encroachment clearly impacted on the kicker or the ball rebounds into play and the encroaching player then plays the ball or challenges an opponent for the ball and prevents the opponents from scoring, attempting to score or creating a goal-scoring opportunity.
Gogic clearly impacted Maswanhise collecting the rebound so it’s the second part that is relevant.

And to clear up any doubt, here's the image from the Sportscene discussion showing how Gogic is impacting JT's attempt to get the rebound.

[wellfan]

5 minutes ago, weeyin said:

And to clear up any doubt, here's the image from the Sportscene discussion showing how Gogic impacting JT's attempt to get the rebound.

Let’s not allow something as inconvenient as the laws of the game to get in the way of SFA officials doing their jobs properly.

[Stuwell2]

Agree with the above comments but let not also overlook the incompetent defending, selfish play and poor game management that allowed them back into the game. 

[Kmcalpin]

13 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said:

Agree with the above comments but let not also overlook the incompetent defending, selfish play and poor game management that allowed them back into the game. 

I wasn't at the game, so could you elaborate?

[weeyin]

13 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said:

Agree with the above comments but let not also overlook the incompetent defending, selfish play and poor game management that allowed them back into the game. 

I don't think anybody has.

Our levels dropped for the last 15 minutes of the first half. I wasn't too surprised, as I think the Thursday game caught up with a few players.

As Alfred has said, the biggest challenge with the Sun - Thu - Sun is that players get almost no time to train together between travel and rest days. Once they get a few more weeks under their belt I'm sure the decision making will improve.

The positive was that we had a strong bench and the subs helped us keep going for a point.

[weeyin]

4 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:

I wasn't at the game, so could you elaborate?

I'm guessing he's talking about the first half when JT skipped past 2 or 3 defenders and then shot wide rather than passing.

I thought he was entitled to shoot after that run, but I saw a few comments saying he was selfish.

[Prestwickwell]

25 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said:

Agree with the above comments but let not also overlook the incompetent defending, selfish play and poor game management that allowed them back into the game. 

Do agree with this 

 

sometimes feel the game seems that easy for us at times that we get overconfident….stop doing the right things, moving the ball right etc 

 

we were absolutely brilliant to watch for 30 minutes & then u start losing the ball, they start pressing better & ur 3-2 down

 

maswanise in particular for me lost the ball in areas that hurt us yesterday

[wellfan]

39 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said:

Agree with the above comments but let not also overlook the incompetent defending, selfish play and poor game management that allowed them back into the game. 

I don't think I've overlooked the points you're making here.

 

[stv]

17 minutes ago, Prestwickwell said:

Do agree with this 

 

sometimes feel the game seems that easy for us at times that we get overconfident….stop doing the right things, moving the ball right etc 

 

we were absolutely brilliant to watch for 30 minutes & then u start losing the ball, they start pressing better & ur 3-2 down

 

maswanise in particular for me lost the ball in areas that hurt us yesterday

WE WERE KNACKERED AFTER 30 MINS. PLAYING AGAINST A FRESH TEAM. GET REAL.

[texanwellfan]

19 minutes ago, Prestwickwell said:

Do agree with this 

 

sometimes feel the game seems that easy for us at times that we get overconfident….stop doing the right things, moving the ball right etc 

 

we were absolutely brilliant to watch for 30 minutes & then u start losing the ball, they start pressing better & ur 3-2 down

 

maswanise in particular for me lost the ball in areas that hurt us yesterday

Exactly!  We are coasting and easily running the game…. Because players are focused and doing the right things. Guess what! Once you stop doing those things your’e not going to be coasting or running the game. So definitely a mental lapse (fatigue) more than physical. 
 I think AJ has mentioned this previously about our attitude after scoring goals. 

[texanwellfan]

4 minutes ago, stv said:

WE WERE KNACKERED AFTER 30 MINS. PLAYING AGAINST A FRESH TEAM. GET REAL.

I don’t think we were knackered physically. 

[grizzlyg]

20 minutes ago, stv said:

WE WERE KNACKERED AFTER 30 MINS. PLAYING AGAINST A FRESH TEAM. GET REAL.

WHY YOU SHOUTING? 🤣🤣

[Prestwickwell]

31 minutes ago, stv said:

WE WERE KNACKERED AFTER 30 MINS. PLAYING AGAINST A FRESH TEAM. GET REAL.

Have previously said game should have been wrapped up well before we tired after 30 minutes 

 

doesn’t mean u fall apart though