grizzlyg Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Atmosphere amongst fans getting worse and this isn't going to help the players. At same time players need to have a look at themselves. Goals we lost were criminal. McGhee was never going to be an appointment to win fans but if he keeps us up then that is all that matters for time being. I think questions need to be asked of our GM who had 80 applicants for job yet appoints someone who gave him a job 8 years previously. Lets just hope we beat Utd and everyone will be smiling again...COYW 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_P Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 I keep reading this stuff about McGhee giving Burrows a job. When did this happen exactly? When did Motherwell managers or any football managers for that matter become involved in the hiring of Press Officers or whatever the title of the day was? McGhee did no more than allow the guy some relatively close access to the team, after he had gone to Austria at his own expense, to watch their pre-season training programme and pre-season friendlies. If by virtue of the quality of the footage he sent back not to mention the other projects he did like the WTFC Forum and Motherwell database (including something like a back catalogue of around 300 player profiles with stats etc.) if he happened to bring his talents to the attention of Chief-Executive of the time fair fucking play to the guy. There is much you can beat him with but these ludicrous assumptions that A: McGhee got him a job and B: Eight years Burrows returned the favour is just absolute bullshit and should be put to bed as soon as possible. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaag Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Well this is a clusterfuck of a thread in recent times. McGhee was (and still is) a terrible appointment in my opinion - cannae stick the guy. But the sentiment shouldn't be entirely directed at him... as someone above said... same team, failed under the last 3 managers. 3/4s of the squad AND the manager should be booted in the summer in my opinion. Problem is, at this rate we might have to end up doing that anyway to tighten the purse for a future in the Championships. Let's hope it doesn't come to that. The club seems so poorly managed at times that it really is baffling how we've managed to avoid this scenario until now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils40yarder Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 You've got to admit, upstaging Baraclough in splitting support so early in his tenure would've taken some doing. Surpassed with flying colours. I had a few reasons for not wanting him back, but this was the main one. As soon as he was appointed, there were folk saying they wouldnt be back until he was gone...people who dont have the courage of their convictions as I've since seen them at games, but their opinion on the manager wont have changed. Everything right now is Mark McGhees fault in their eyes and the players who are failing again are getting off Scot-free. Do you think Simo Valakari, having won the Manager of the Month award, would be taking the abuse that McGhee currently is after the last months displays? Not a fucking chance, and the zoomers that are screaming blue murder are doing far more harm than good. The man will never be accepted and thats why he was the wrong choice. I dont think there is a cat in hells chance of him being sacked between now and the Summer, so the fans that are currently berating him should really work out their priorities. Whats more important, spewing 90minutes worth of vitriol towards our dugout while we slide towards relegation or sucking it up and accepting the manager is going to be here for the next few months and getting behind the team as much as possible?? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshillWell Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 I actually like McGee. I'm in the minority, it seems, but I think we needed a strong and experienced manager after the whole Barraclough episode. The problems that have surfaced are a result of his bizarre team selections, criticism of fans and players. We have gone backwards since beating Celtic, the Hearts game was so awful on so many levels and I haven't seen a performance so inept since the days of Malpas, then we were swept as side by Kilmarnock. It is looking a lot more bleak than it did during December. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desp Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 I dont think there is a cat in hells chance of him being sacked between now and the Summer, so the fans that are currently berating him should really work out their priorities. Whats more important, spewing 90minutes worth of vitriol towards our dugout while we slide towards relegation or sucking it up and accepting the manager is going to be here for the next few months and getting behind the team as much as possible?? I think you're crediting these people with too much intelligence. You know the answer as to how they'll continue to act... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 I actually like McGee. I'm in the minority, it seems, but I think we needed a strong and experienced manager after the whole Barraclough episode. The problems that have surfaced are a result of his bizarre team selections, criticism of fans and players. We have gone backwards since beating Celtic, the Hearts game was so awful on so many levels and I haven't seen a performance so inept since the days of Malpas, then we were swept as side by Kilmarnock. It is looking a lot more bleak than it did during December. Minority of 2 I think he was the right man for the job as well and I am still confident that he will get the team winning again. The problem is that there are certain fans harbouring issues with McGhee over what he allegedly did or did not do 8 years ago they need to let it go ffs its not healthy behaviour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 I didn't necessarily like or agree with what McGhee said or done 8 years ago, but my biggest reservation and concern about him returning is with what he's done in management since leaving us. And that is he has done absolutely nothing of note in management since leaving us to suggest he is a good or even half decent manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numpty Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 And that is he has done absolutely nothing of note in management since leaving us to suggest he is a good or even half decent manager. You could say that about pretty much every manager we've had since I started following Motherwell 40 years ago, mind you. Billy Davies and Terry Butcher have had about three decent seasons between them elsewhere, and that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
something else Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 I actually like McGee. I'm in the minority, it seems Hiya flow 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muffdiver91 Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Did anyone else notice graham Alexander sitting in the main stand on Saturday ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 You could say that about pretty much every manager we've had since I started following Motherwell 40 years ago, mind you. Billy Davies and Terry Butcher have had about three decent seasons between them elsewhere, and that's about it. Whether you rate him or not Alex McLeish won 9 trophies and did well with the national team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_P Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Did anyone else notice graham Alexander sitting in the main stand on Saturday ? I didn't but he was reported to have been a candidate for the Kilmarnock job so it would have made sense for him to have been there assessing his potential new charges. I believe he was also at Dens Park during the week, again you would suspect assessing future opponents should he have got that Killie job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 I don't mind McGhee either. A lot of the time he is right and people just don't like the brashness of it. However when he gets it wrong his arrogance/utter self belief does grate. Hearts he completely fucked it but the majority of other problems recently have been down to player mistakes and brain collapses.....not tactics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orinoco Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 McGhee at this point in time, is being out managed by the Archibalds, McCullochs, Hartley's etc etc. Guess it's upto him to show his ability matches his ego and he is a cut above these guys. Clocks ticking.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 What McGhee needs to do is a video telling us about his favourite dinosaurs and that should get the fans back on side. Also wonder if it's the same old yins that booed 'arrogrant' Tommy McLean season after season until of course he won the cup. If the managers position becomes some kind of personality contest, as it seems to be at the moment, then we are well and truly fucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 McGhee at this point in time, is being out managed by the Archibalds, McCullochs, Hartley's etc etc. Guess it's upto him to show his ability matches his ego and he is a cut above these guys. Clocks ticking.... McGhee is called arrogant but check out comments like this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 What McGhee needs to do is a video telling us about his favourite dinosaurs and that should get the fans back on side. Also wonder if it's the same old yins that booed 'arrogrant' Tommy McLean season after season until of course he won the cup. If the managers position becomes some kind of personality contest, as it seems to be at the moment, then we are well and truly fucked. Granted, the unwelcome volume of abuse coming from the stands is escalated due to him being a very unlikable man that burned his bridges 7 years ago. However, the reason for the current criticism is for poor decisions and failure to take responsibility for such poor decisions on the majority of occasions. Not dissimilar to his poor spells at Aberdeen and Bristol. I personally wouldn't give him abuse at the game (afterall he is not to blame for the appointment) but criticising his managerial ability on here is fair game IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star sail Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 What McGhee needs to do is a video telling us about his favourite dinosaurs and that should get the fans back on side. Also wonder if it's the same old yins that booed 'arrogrant' Tommy McLean season after season until of course he won the cup. If the managers position becomes some kind of personality contest, as it seems to be at the moment, then we are well and truly fucked. The thing is though that, taking personality out of it and McGhee is not covering himself in glory at the moment. Publicly criticising players , contradicting himself in interviews, playing some baffling formations and being out thought by the likes of Lee McCulloch on Saturday. You make the joke about dinosaurs and it reminds me that you were a strong critic of Ian Baraclough. What would your view have been if Baraclough had put in the same performance as McGhee has since the start of the year? Ian Baraclough's Motherwell comfortably beat ICT in the first game of the season. Fast forward six months and ICT seem to have taken a step forward when Motherwell have gone backwards. McGhee himself made a big play on this before the ICT cup game. This is not about personality it's about performance. For what it's worth, my belief is that the problem lies with the players. McCall, Baraclough and now McGhee have all been (or are being) shafted by players that just don't care enough. I happen to believe that all three (Baraclough included) are decent manager being let down by a poor squad of players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Granted, the unwelcome volume of abuse coming from the stands is escalated due to him being a very unlikable man that burned his bridges 7 years ago. However, the reason for the current criticism is for poor decisions and failure to take responsibility for such poor decisions on the majority of occasions. Not dissimilar to his poor spells at Aberdeen and Bristol. I personally wouldn't give him abuse at the game (afterall he is not to blame for the appointment) but criticising his managerial ability on here is fair game IMO. Criticising his managerial ability is fair game but there are an awful lot of people who aren't really interested in his managerial ability and are simply using the first available bad spell to air old grievances. It helps no and in fact hinders any potential recovery when the club is in a very difficult position, on and off the field. Instead of supporting, far too many people have the knives out. Don't tell me what's happened at Fir Park in recent weeks didn't have any effect on the players on Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Criticising his managerial ability is fair game but there are an awful lot of people who aren't really interested in his managerial ability and are simply using the first available bad spell to air old grievances. It helps no and in fact hinders any potential recovery when the club is in a very difficult position, on and off the field. Instead of supporting, far too many people have the knives out. Don't tell me what's happened at Fir Park in recent weeks didn't have any effect on the players on Saturday. . I agree entirely. Unfortunately the easiest way to get fans back in side is with a result or two. If that fails to materialise by the time we leave Perth on Saturday then it's something the club has to address. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweed Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Just going back to the players failing under a third consecutive manager, anyone watching Vigurs pulling the strings in the Inverness midfield when more often than not he couldn't kick his own arse for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamH Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 McGhee at this point in time, is being out managed by the Archibalds, McCullochs, Hartley's etc etc. Guess it's upto him to show his ability matches his ego and he is a cut above these guys. Clocks ticking....How long have Archibald and Hartley had to build their squads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Just going back to the players failing under a third consecutive manager, anyone watching Vigurs pulling the strings in the Inverness midfield when more often than not he couldn't kick his own arse for us.Sometimes, it's how the player is used... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 How long have Archibald and Hartley had to build their squads? And is McGhee's record against Hartley not a 3-1 win and a 2-2 draw (courtesy of a dubious penalty) since he's been back at the club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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