fergi4 Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 Needs to stop experimenting with players out of position, multiple games lost when he has sent teams out this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 Needs to stop experimenting with players out of position, multiple games lost when he has sent teams out this way. The Celtic game was the ideal game to experiment, last of the season, nothing at stake so why not, however I am sure that McGhee did not think for a minute that the players would have caved in so easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 I'm fine with bringing in some fringe players or U20s. But experimenting with our best attacking threat at left back was pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 I'm fine with bringing in some fringe players or U20s. But experimenting with our best attacking threat at left back was pointless. What was the option? Chalmers? It was an unenviable choice he had to make and if you cast your mind back a week Johnson did better at left back than he did in an attacking role. Hammell apart we are weak in the full back positions. I like Kennedy, a bit raw but I think there is something to work with there, but not at right back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 The option was any one of our available defenders. I know we are weak in the full back positions - especially left back, but given that this was a meaningless game, at least let our creative players have a chance of a goal or two. Of course we are weak in the left back position, but give me a defender back there any time. Any time we have been hammered in recent seasons it's been when managers tried to shuffle players into unnatural positions. Given the meaningless nature of the game, I'd just have set us up to attack and see if we could add a few more goals to our strikers' stats. Let them go out and enjoy themselves for 90 minutes. We won there the last time because we took the game to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 Of course we are weak in the left back position, but give me a defender back there any time. Any time we have been hammered in recent seasons it's been when managers tried to shuffle players into unnatural positions. Is Chalmers even a defender? If I was being charitable to him I'd say he's looked a lot more comfortable early season when he was playing in a wide midfield role than latterly at left back. Anyway Chalmers took such a hounding at Cappielow it's quite reasonable position to never play him at left back again. Ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 Is Chalmers even a defender? If I was being charitable to him I'd say he's looked a lot more comfortable early season when he was playing in a wide midfield role than latterly at left back. Anyway Chalmers took such a hounding at Cappielow it's quite reasonable position to never play him at left back again. Ever. I never mentioned Chalmers anywhere. But if you think it was a good idea to play Marvin at left back in a meaningless game where the best we could take away was maybe playing some pressure free football and scoring a few goals, then fair enough. I prefer my creative players in areas they can do some damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daver Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 One thing that stood out from McGhee's first spell was how he managed to transform a few of the players over the summer by working hard on their fitness. Do we have anyone that could fit in at left back with a bit of work the way Jim Paterson did? Johnson or Chalmers? I would be disappointed if we take one of our most threatening players and limit that threat by putting him in defence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMWellfan Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 One thing that stood out from McGhee's first spell was how he managed to transform a few of the players over the summer by working hard on their fitness. Do we have anyone that could fit in at left back with a bit of work the way Jim Paterson did? Johnson or Chalmers? I would be disappointed if we take one of our most threatening players and limit that threat by putting him in defence. I reckon Chalmers will come good next season, then we'll lose him as he's out of contract at season's end. Losing players for nothing is something we excel at - world class, in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 We've done pretty well in manipulating the Bosman rules to good effect too. Christ Porter and Giles Coke spring to mind. Plus Ojamaa and Anier were clever pieces of business that people tend to overlook. Of course, for years people said we should follow the Dundee Utd model. Maybe not so much now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desp Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 I reckon Chalmers will come good next season, then we'll lose him as he's out of contract at season's end. Are you going anywhere nice on holiday this summer, Joe? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMWellfan Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 We've done pretty well in manipulating the Bosman rules to good effect too. Christ Porter and Giles Coke spring to mind. Plus Ojamaa and Anier were clever pieces of business that people tend to overlook. Of course, for years people said we should follow the Dundee Utd model. Maybe not so much now. Oh yes, fantastic - we took in about £500K for the two latter players you mentioned - how much do you think the club has paid ut in wages to loanees in the past few years that have returned us zilch? We can't afford it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 Oh yes, fantastic - we took in about £500K for the two latter players you mentioned - how much do you think the club has paid ut in wages to loanees in the past few years that have returned us zilch? We can't afford it. I don't know. How much has the club paid out in wages to loanees? Do you have the figures? I know that, typically, the parent club pays a portion. Given that some of our loanees ensured 2nd and 3rd place prize money for a number of years, plus some Europa Cup earnings, can you offset that against their pro-rated wages and let me know the results. I'll be happy to discuss your figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 What was the option? Chalmers? It was an unenviable choice he had to make and if you cast your mind back a week Johnson did better at left back than he did in an attacking role. Hammell apart we are weak in the full back positions. I like Kennedy, a bit raw but I think there is something to work with there, but not at right back. I agree that it was a difficult choice and I'm not impressed with Chalmers at left back - is he not a centre back? However, Marvin Johnson didn't play that well at left back against St Johnstone. He had a few impressive marauding runs in the first half but defensively wasn't great. We really do need two new full backs on both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaka Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 I agree that it was a difficult choice and I;m not impressed with Chalmers at left back - is he not a centre back?. Im no even sure Joe Chalmers is a footballer! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeboy Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 I think he came as a left back who said he could also play centre back if required. The writing is on the wall for him if we aren't even considering him second choice left-back. Say what you like about Baraclough, he definitely has an eye for a left back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 I think he came as a left back who said he could also play centre back if required. The writing is on the wall for him if we aren't even considering him second choice left-back. Say what you like about Baraclough, he definitely has an eye for a left back. You're right about Chalmers and it seems obvious that Mark McGhee doesn't rate him. I doubt very much though that Ian Baraclough scouted the likes of Straker and Chalmers on his own. Someone else must have recommended them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 No idea about Straker, but Chalmers had a decent CV coming through the youth ranks but was released because some injuries hampered his progress. Seemed like a decent chance to take, but obviously didn't work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
something else Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 I actually thought Chalmers looked decent to start with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils40yarder Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 No idea about Straker, but Chalmers had a decent CV coming through the youth ranks but was released because some injuries hampered his progress. Seemed like a decent chance to take, but obviously didn't work out. I speak to a Premier League manager fairly regularly, and he almost pissed himself laughing when he heard we had signed Chalmers. Highly rated as a kid maybe, but his spell at Falkirk by all accounts was shite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Aye the reports on Chalmers from Falkirk were poor. Seemed strange to me that we rushed into a signing a boy that trained with us in run-up to Rangers games. I can mind coming away from the Bradford friendly at Grangemouth with 2 thoughts. Moult had potential to be quality with a bit of experience alongside him. Chalmers looked like a fish out of water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 No idea about Straker, but Chalmers had a decent CV coming through the youth ranks but was released because some injuries hampered his progress. Seemed like a decent chance to take, but obviously didn't work out. What injury do you get that makes you unable to tackle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 What injury do you get that makes you unable to tackle? An injury that means you are a yard of the pace now and don't get into position to tackle? A leg injury that you worry about hurting again and pause for a second before you commit? An injury that means you didn't train for a while and you lost your timing? Like I said, he might not have turned into a SPFL player, but I doubt he came all the way through Celtic's youth set up without being able to tackle, do you? Maybe we were just unlucky and he played a few blinders when he was on trial with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onthefringes Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 I speak to a Premier League manager fairly regularly, and he almost pissed himself laughing when he heard we had signed Chalmers. Highly rated as a kid maybe, but his spell at Falkirk by all accounts was shite Pillow talk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Like I said, he might not have turned into a SPFL player, but I doubt he came all the way through Celtic's youth set up without being able to tackle, do you? Maybe some truth in that. When I saw him at first he seemed to have a bit of talent and skill about him although woefully short of pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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