Steve Diggle Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Maybe they can't send us tickets when they haven't decided the venue yet. MFC could sell us away leg ticket vouchers for £20, and that would give Llanelli a guarantee of income before they print tickets or decide the venue. Then if the first leg kills the game they still get their money. Problem there is that MFC would have to organise voucher sales/distribution and ticket distribution for the same match in a short period of time. Of course, if they're keeping it at their home ground because they want the advantage if the tie is still undecided, then no argument with that. You misunderstood my point On their forum some of their guys were a bit sceptical that we would bring 2000 even if they did change to the bigger venue - particularly if Motherwell win the first leg they were asking if John Boyle would guarantee the cash up front. My answer to that particular point would be - confirm the change of venue and send the tickets up today and sell them befor a ball is kicked. Right now we're all fired up to go down. As I said in the post though, whether they switch or not is up to them. I think that they don't believe the numbers will travel and they're wavering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jk2205 Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 A small town of 46,000...invaded by potentially 2,000 ticketless well fans.. Common sense must prevail. Alot of people myself included have booked hotels and flights. We will be going regardless of the ticket situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottr Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 You misunderstood my point Actually, I don't think I did. They don't want to commit to changing the venue because they can't guarantee enough of an attendance to justify it. Your suggestion only gives them the guarantee of income AFTER they have already committed to the change in venue, so they may still stand to lose out. My suggestion (or theirs that JB guarantees the cash - not that I think that's viable) gives them the guaranteed income BEFORE they change venue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 OK - I still don't think you're getting it exactly. However it doesn't matter, they've confirmed on their website that its at their own park anyway before the agreed Thursday meeting - so it's all irrellevant. That's bad show for a kick off - and I think anyone looking at Flows diplomatic posts yesterday could imagine him shaking his head in disbelief at the same time behind the scenes. For every event there comes a time where you chose a venue based on the intelligence you have and release tickets. No other concert, football match works on a guarantee basis - so they'll have to at some point either grow a set or play safe. No worries mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leroy Trusco Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 A small town of 46,000...invaded by potentially 2,000 ticketless well fans.. Common sense must prevail. Alot of people myself included have booked hotels and flights. We will be going regardless of the ticket situation. Spot on! This is something that hasn't really been mentioned. Many of us have already booked flights and hotels which are non-refundable and will end up travelling with or without tickets. If this shitey wee pub team have any sense they will do their utmost to accomodate everyone who wants in or it could be less than pretty by the end of the night. All this because they couldn't accept the luck of the draw. What a bunch of greetin faced wee weans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 If this shitey wee pub team have any sense they will do their utmost to accomodate everyone who wants in or it could be less than pretty by the end of the night. Aside from the fact that you've just done his team talk for their manager, now you're suggesting it'll be "less pretty" if they don't let everybody in. Suggesting what? Violence? Aye, they're really going to want to move to the bigger stadium to let more Motherwell supporters down now, aren't they...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky79 Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 A small town of 46,000...invaded by potentially 2,000 ticketless well fans.. Common sense must prevail. Alot of people myself included have booked hotels and flights. We will be going regardless of the ticket situation. Lol so it's bigger than Motherwell, i'm sure it'll cope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ML1 Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 All this because they couldn't accept the luck of the draw. What a bunch of greetin faced wee weans! Erm , havent they accepted it and made their decision - to play it at their own home ? Motherwell fans are spoiled, we get a ticket for most games easily enough even cup finals but when it comes to Stranraer , Inverurie and wherever else and there's a scramble folk get their Billy Bigtime heads on and start whinging. If we drew Villa or Everton in this tournament would we move it to Hampden just to please them and their large following. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leroy Trusco Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Aside from the fact that you've just done his team talk for their manager, now you're suggesting it'll be "less pretty" if they don't let everybody in. Suggesting what? Violence? Aye, they're really going to want to move to the bigger stadium to let more Motherwell supporters down now, aren't they...? I somehow doubt my post on an unofficial fans forum will be pinned to the Llanelli changing room wall so lets not get overly dramatic. My previous post is certainly not a suggestion that anyone will go there purely to cause trouble. My fear is that a small element who will be pissed and hyped-up will have nowhere to to go other than the boozer for the entire day. To most, this doesn't pose an issue but the sad reality is that all supports have a bawbag element and a minor incident can spark something more serious especially given that many, including myself, feel (rightly or wrongly) that if there are insufficient tickets available for the match it will be down to the spiteful thinking of Llanelli. In my own opinion, I reckon it'd be better for all concerned if everyone who wanted to see the game could do so. I'm sure that would ensure good relations between both sets of fans and also provide a break from the all day piss-up which, from experience, away euro trips tend to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Erm , havent they accepted it and made their decision - to play it at their own home ? Motherwell fans are spoiled, we get a ticket for most games easily enough even cup finals but when it comes to Stranraer , Inverurie and wherever else and there's a scramble folk get their Billy Bigtime heads on and start whinging. If we drew Villa or Everton in this tournament would we move it to Hampden just to please them and their large following. I think Fir Park is big enough to cope with the likes of Villa and Everton, so naw, we wouldnt move it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ML1 Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 I think Fir Park is big enough to cope with the likes of Villa and Everton, so naw, we wouldnt move it. It would be if we gave them less tickets than they wanted Llanelli think their place is big enough to cope with us Folk wont travel across the dual carriageway to Hamilton then start stamping their feet when they cant get a ticket for South Wales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceske Bairn Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 It would be if we gave them less tickets than they wanted Llanelli think their place is big enough to cope with us Folk wont travel across the dual carriageway to Hamilton then start stamping their feet when they cant get a ticket for South Wales As an outsider, why is that? I noticed in the 2 derbies at NDP this year there was only a few hundred Mwell fans when you would expect a full stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyRoss Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Can't speak for the first one as I was in London , but we certainly had much more than a few hundred at the meaningless game at the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Aside from the fact that you've just done his team talk for their manager, now you're suggesting it'll be "less pretty" if they don't let everybody in. Suggesting what? Violence?Llanelli is Welsh rugby town. Only a complete idiot would mess with a bunch of Welsh rugby players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leroy Trusco Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Erm , havent they accepted it and made their decision - to play it at their own home ? Motherwell fans are spoiled, we get a ticket for most games easily enough even cup finals but when it comes to Stranraer , Inverurie and wherever else and there's a scramble folk get their Billy Bigtime heads on and start whinging. If we drew Villa or Everton in this tournament would we move it to Hampden just to please them and their large following. The grey area is why they, seemingly, have decided to play the game at home and neither you or I know for certain what their motivation was. The cronological order of events (i.e. them asking to swap the ties, us refusing and then them refusing to move the game to accomodate our travelling support) may all be coincidence, it may be more financially rewarding for them or it may be a spiteful tactic. Who knows? Your sweeping statement "Motherwell fans are spoiled" is garbage. We want to see our team play. Any seasoned supporter will tell you we don't get into Europe that often so I can understand if folks get a bit agitated at the thought of missing such an occassion. Your point about drawing Villa, Everton, etc isn't valid as: 1. They're both unlikely to bring 10,000+ to an away game therefore Fir Park would be fine. and 2. You can be sure that any decision we'd make about a venue for a "big" match would be based purely on finance and giving us the best possible chance of progressing. I remain unconvinced that thats the case here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fat_tony Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 As an outsider, why is that? I noticed in the 2 derbies at NDP this year there was only a few hundred Mwell fans when you would expect a full stand. I think being charged £20+ to sit in that shitehole may have had something to do with it!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 The first game was 12.30, £22 to get in and we were in the middle of our worst run in a long while, we did well to take 4-500 over to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ML1 Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Llanelli is Welsh rugby town. Only a complete idiot would mess with a bunch of Welsh rugby players. Nevermind the rugby players , i heard Llanelli is where the biggest Pot Noodle mine is too. Tough boys PS Rugby players are poofs , they only play so they can put their hands and heads between each others legs - FACT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 I'm glad I can't go to the away leg now. Takes all this worrying over tickets we had for Nancy away from me. Also has the added bonus of not being attempted to be intimidated by all the hard men you never see at games anymore trying to fight everyone in sight for no reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnstone Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 This just backs up my argument that Wales is a shitehole and is full of total thick as mince halfwits. Phew, I almost thought they were emerging into the 21st Century, but back to their cave they go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ML1 Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 The grey area is why they, seemingly, have decided to play the game at home and neither you or I know for certain what their motivation was. The cronological order of events (i.e. them asking to swap the ties, us refusing and then them refusing to move the game to accomodate our travelling support) may all be coincidence, it may be more financially rewarding for them or it may be a spiteful tactic. Who knows? Your sweeping statement "Motherwell fans are spoiled" is garbage. We want to see our team play. Any seasoned supporter will tell you we don't get into Europe that often so I can understand if folks get a bit agitated at the thought of missing such an occassion. Your point about drawing Villa, Everton, etc isn't valid as: 1. They're both unlikely to bring 10,000+ to an away game therefore Fir Park would be fine. and 2. You can be sure that any decision we'd make about a venue for a "big" match would be based purely on finance and giving us the best possible chance of progressing. I remain unconvinced that thats the case here. They have spent what one assumes is a few quid on getting their ground UEFA compliant and played their Champs League qualifier there last season. If the figures of £20k are correct giving up their own home to go play a prestigious euro tie elsewhere would have to be worth their while. So say 1000 Motherwell fans to break even. With another 500 on top of that to make profit - worth it for them ? Im as big a Motherwell fan as you i can assure you and would prefer to play at the rugby stadium where id be garaunteed a ticket - to be accusing them of being spoilt weans due to the luck of the draw on this thread is a bit of pot and kettle. If i get a Motherwell ticket good , if i dont ill try for one of theirs , over the wall , bribing a turnstyle man or whatever , failing that ill have a good day and night in the pub with the boys. Cast your mind back to Nancy , Inverurie , Stranraer this - anytime tickets have been tight , our fans are spoiled on the ticket front and a lot act like weans on the rare occasion when they cant get a ticket. We near filled Fir Park for Nancy with them bringing about 30 fans, how many home fans would we get for a Premiership side in Europe. Both those sides i imagine have around 20,000 season ticket holders , with segregation we'd give them what ? We'd rightly tell them to F off if they wanted our tickets or the game moved so more of them could get in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 It's no that much of a hassle really. I think we're all a bit Nancy and Iverurie'd oot to be honest. Basically right now I think most of us feel they can ram their tickets. So if its a couple of hundred tickets - it'll end up being a ballot - I imagine most won't be arsed with that either. Time off work, followed by time off work followed by. . . time off work Our own plans were to head down regardless of tickets. Right now it looks like we'll just forget it. Sad really that in this day and age a maximum of 3000 football fans can't be accomodated at a European tie. For me it's just nuts. I agree with the points made earlier by fatcalf and the like too. If they opened up the terracing there would be close to 3000 there. Willing to stand but not being allowed to. The game's gone nuts. The other argument re an EPL team is just pish. Playing anybody at fir park they'd get Corporate in the POD plus the whole South Stand (more than 3500 seats if I mind right) - that's acceptable in any round of a UEFA tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaag Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 don't bother your arses, everyone that wants a ticket for Albania should get one let's just invade there instead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 'Flow Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Discussions have been on-going this morning folks (over the telephone).... We'll announce as soon as we have anything confirmed! Cheers 'Flow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Discussions have been on-going this morning folks (over the telephone).... We'll announce as soon as we have anything confirmed! Cheers 'Flow As you can see mate - the risk is that by jumping the gun - they've switched a few off. Hopefully something enjoyable and worthwhile can be salvaged particularly for those that have planned ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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