jamesc Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 heard on saturday bout the contract thing,cant get my head round that.apparently applied for the sheff wed job aswell. iv got no reason not to believe boyle,so gannon can go and take a fuck to himself as far as im concerned. As someone else said fair play to boyle,didnt think he had it in him. just worries me now who we are going to get now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellAyrshire Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 This has depressed me a wee bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewK Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 On SSN now too, dunno what to think of it to be honest, but fair play to JB for doing something about it if he wasnt right for the club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well73 Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Bye Bye Jim. No commitment to the club then you go. If our problems have been because hes not been giving us 100% then piss off Jim, and well done Mr.Boyle. Wonder if we have a replacement lined up? Mon the Well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 I purposely held off in the whole Gannon debate as we as fans are too quick to shoot down our own managers and don't give them enough time. I still feel that if this is true Gannon should have been given more time to develop the squad. I have read and listened with interest all that Gannon has said and done since he took the helm and I must say I agreed with a lot of it. I am not the type to hang onto players just because they are supposed club servants. I have never bought into that crap. Motherwell is a business, yes, a club I love dearly but at the end of the day it is purely and simply a business. Unless run properly it will go bust and nearly did so. If players lose form and don't get it back then sorry they should be let go and another brought in to replace them, there is no room for sentiment no matter how many years service the players have. If we look at any business then the cruel facts are that if you ain't performing and reaching targets you are very quickly shown the door. I personally think Gannon has done the right thing in publically naming and shaming players. If you give them instructions and they don't carry it out or worse ignore those instructions on the park they must be shown the door, no one is bigger than the club. From this forum and others I felt that this scenario is playing out with the players not performing as instructed and maybe this is why Gannon has been subbing players at innoportune moments in games, maybe not just my take on things. One stockport fan has come in on the debate in this forum and basically said that this was Gannons style and that given time the players produced good football using differing tactics throughout a game that confused opposing managers who could not keep up resulting in many good wins. Sadly I believe that this did not work here as I and probably Jim Gannon suspect the quality of players here are not at the same level as those Gannon had to pick from at Stockport. That may upset a few diehards on here but it is a stark reality we have what we have, as that is all we can afford to pay and bring through. Yes, we have a few diamonds but they are very rough and ready and have nowhere near the consistency required for the SPL. We have binned almost our entire first team squad and replaced them with loans. As many have said you cannot build medium to long term on loans, it is a quick fix no more. If it is true and Gannon is gone I fear we are going to face more massive upheaval and Mr Boyle may choose a safe option, another Malpas type who will only look to safety and nothing else. Many of our good teams in the past were built on solid foundations with a blend of experience and youth. No loans at all if I can remember in any of our winning teams. We need to get back to 3-4 year deals and build our foundations again. Yes there will be some duds and bad buys along the way but some good players we can build and cash in on at a later date. Ruddy for example. After 3-4 year contract I believe we could get a hefty return on him. I would love a Gannon type within the scouts who have an eye for the type of players he brought to this club. I also believed the whole referee thing had to be tackled and thought he was right to bring it out so publicly, lets hope that this has given the powers that be in the corridors of referee power the impetus to look at themselves a wee bit more critically and find ways to improve the product rather than going into their collective shells. If he has been going for interviews elsewhere then I as a fan can only condemn him for that as I want the manager whoever that may be, concentrating on making my club better not looking for avenues out. Yes, He has been naive in some of his comments that quite frankly made me cringe, but in hindsight I would probably agree with most of what he said. As many have pointed out on these very boards Gannon has only been saying what most fans have been shouting about for years. If he is gone, then as before we will move on, I just hope Boyle has the nerve to build on what Gannon has brought to the club and we don't return to the days of old firm cast offs and nomads. Thanks Gannon at least you brought some life back to the club. No matter what I will be there with my scarf round my neck and cheering the lads from the Cooper...C'mon the Well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Sangria Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Good luck on Wednesday Youngy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Stunned. Simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewK Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Fair play to Boyle, if he's not fully committed then oot he goes. Lets see if Gordon Young can start with a bang and get us 3 points at Tynecastle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAZZAMFC68 Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Insider source - Gannon sacked, walked out of Fir Park this morning, Press Conference 1.00 pm You must have the same insider source as me!!! I know he had lost the dressing room weeks ago, and was also applying for jobs down south. Might be a blessing in disquise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 I thought Gannon was a breath of fresh air that Motherwell needed badly. I'll be sorry to see him go. As for the issue with the refusal to sign a contract, I find it odd that you appoint someone to a managerial post without a contract and then sack them 4 months later for not signing one. If Gannon is at fault for not signing a contract, the Motherwell chairman and directors are also at fault for not insisting that a formal contract wasn't in place at the time of signing him. I wish him well for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 You must have the same insider source as me!!! I know he had lost the dressing room weeks ago, and was also applying for jobs down south. Might be a blessing in disquise. I'm pretty impressed folk were posting on this site that he was a goner hours before it was announced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rammer Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Given his recent behaviour it probably doesn't come as a huge shock but it still leaves us up shit creek. The merry-go-round continues! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Does this now prove he was an obnoxious, arrogant prick whoring himself to any club he felt matched his own inflated ego and skills as a manager? This is now going to be one incredible Jan Transfer window. Not going to be dull being a Motherwell fan over the next month anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggischomper Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 The merry-go-round continues! Think I preferred it when we were on the rollercoaster! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewK Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Does this now prove he was an obnoxious, arrogant prick whoring himself to any club he felt matched his own inflated ego and skills as a manager? This is now going to be one incredible Jan Transfer window. Not going to be dull being a Motherwell fan over the next month anyway. It never is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sdt Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Absolutely delighted. Hated the guy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well_Jaggy Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 I think this will probably mean our loanees will also be gone, unless the deals have been done already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazilian Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 I purposely held off in the whole Gannon debate as we as fans are too quick to shoot down our own managers and don't give them enough time. I still feel that if this is true Gannon should have been given more time to develop the squad. I have read and listened with interest all that Gannon has said and done since he took the helm and I must say I agreed with a lot of it. .......... ................ ........................ No matter what I will be there with my scarf round my neck and cheering the lads from the Cooper...C'mon the Well Well Well, I'm not looking for an argument, but surely you can see why JB has taken this decision? not to give him more time he wouldn't sign a contract and was actively talking to other clubs about taking another job, all this whilst failing to look after MFC, we are potentially in a worse position regards first team squad contracts than when Mcghee shat on us. Gannon did good getting the 'Well kids signed on but thats not enough when he was also running many others out the door ( I take your point that we need not show loyalty, but we do need players to fulfill squad requirements) But like you I'll be there, (well as soon as I'm fit ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamy Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 I thought Gannon was a breath of fresh air that Motherwell needed badly. I'll be sorry to see him go. I wish him well for the future. Me too!! Bye Jim! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky79 Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 If we'd won those games we drew when we should have won them(accies, aberdeen, utd) and had picked up even one win say at the weekend out of the last 4 games we'd not have been sacking the manager contract issues or not. Results are everything in this business and if we were sitting 3rd I don't see us booting the manager contract or not. As it is recent form has made his lack of a contract look like a boon to get rid of a manager with commitment issues, personality issues and with results taking a nosedive little reason to put up with the first two problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
another number Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Bit shocked at this, but if the situation was that bad then there's no point trying to persevere. I think the main worry now isn't who we'll get in but about the situation with the loan players. Gannon was apparently the one with the masterplan, who knows what'll happen now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Me too!! Bye Jim! +2 Btw, Well Well I thought that was one of the best posts I have read on here for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Ach well, if he was causing so much distruption then perhaps it was better in the long run to get rid. I've heard a few stories from folk who know big Craggs or speak to him on a regular basis in Blantyre, and they've never been particularly good. Was never sure whether they were right though, or it was just a clash of personalities. Wednesday will be interesting now! But aye, if the stories of him applying for other jobs, swanning off to interviews, and refusing to sign a deal at 'Well are all true - then on yer way Gannon, and top marks to Boyle for doing the right thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammer Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 As for the issue with the refusal to sign a contract, I find it odd that you appoint someone to a managerial post without a contract and then sack them 4 months later for not signing one.If Gannon is at fault for not signing a contract, the Motherwell chairman and directors are also at fault for not insisting that a formal contract wasn't in place at the time of signing him. I find that part a bit strange also. Probably a bit more to it than the official line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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