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Dundee FC submit documents for Camperdown Stadium Project - Dundee Football Club - Official Website it is indeed. This must mean they have sorted out their traffic issue as Transport Scotland blocked it previously. This would also have to be considered where we move to as well as the stadium, so we don't get hold ups with them. I love FP but the one thing I do hate is the amount of time it takes to get out after a game, even a Non OF game these days. by car. It was okay when the Police had traffic control in place at the roundabouts but not now. On the office space, I am still working from home and the company have a contract with Spaces where they pay x a month for a meeting room holding 12 around 12 people with use of single desks as and when required. It means that if we need to take a call with a customer or a manager hosts a face to face team meeting we have that space. If you are just looking for somewhere to sit and work, you can. For a seat we only need to let the Company contact know 24hrs before and they book the desk for you. They can also book a seat if for example your Broadband goes down. They have a cafe in the place as well. I am not saying we go down that route ourselves but maybe Spaces or some other company may rent it for use.. I think whichever way we go there will be folk against it fans, locals etc. Did I not see the residents in Dalziel complain about the training complex?

We all know the issues with the POD and the need to install temporary seating. However, unless I've missed something, we haven't been told the timescale. What does temporary mean? Is it 9 months, a year or even 2 or 3? Not an issue in theory, but if the seats are uncomfortable and causing injuries and disruption then yes, it is an issue. The answer is obviously linked to bigger matters.

Im hoping that even if we have to play one or two of the academy boys, then there should still be enough experience within the squad to see us over the line. Its not like we havent had an entire season on Jensball to fall back on and the academy boys have now had en entire pre-season including games against 3 pretty tough opponents to bed them in. I dont think it will be easy. Hanvar will be well organised and they are half way through their season, so likely to have more match sharpness, but we shouldnt be using any of that as an excuse. Big home crowd for the first real game of the season. Lets make sure we help the boys get it over the line.

It’s not the first time the club has got a stadium “upgrade” badly wrong in recent years.

The overwhelming concensus so far re the "seat upgrades" in the POD seems to be that it has been a shambles and resulted in the pod now having the worst seats in the stadium. For me i hope the club are taking note and acknowloging an error has been made. The only decent response would be to admit the error and try to resolve the issue asap, if that means ripping the new seats out and replacing them with a proper fit for purpose seat then so be it. I know the ST prices were partially standardised over the 3 home stands,but now those fans in the pod are paying a premium price for the worst seats in the stadium, which is a disgrace.

Think that was a brand new stadium in Camperdown?

I think what has happened with the seats being replaced shows two competing issues. One that the stadium isn’t fit for purpose in that folk can’t get up and down the row without folk cutting their legs and two has the decision and renovation of the seats led to a lack of confidence in any new stadium design? Dundee just released images of a face lift to their stadium and it looks good I’m starting to come round to a new stadium with new facilities Could even put in it fan zones kids stuff even conference facilities which the team can use or other stuff not fitted into the training ground facilities I will make up my mind though after I see how the training facility worked out As a side note what happened to the standing sections at the football?

Can have doubts but zero expectation is overblowing it...we should be taking care of them.

Grizzly's jokes starting to spread like a virus here.

No Garrion Bridges

How did you guess ... let me have a go back .... Kevin Bridges?

Are you Ed Milliband in disguise 🥸

Ba dum tssssssss

Naw mate, he's at Swansea no.😂

Sounds fantastic. But much like last season, we are programmed to believe we cant have nice shiny things. And even if we do, we dont get to keep them long. Id love this to be the exception.....

I appreciate your reticence and there's a host of horror stories of a chairman's ego making a club homeless and a shiny new stadium hosting zero events and quickly turning into the set from the Last of Us (Darlington, Kassam Oxford). I think we are unique in our league that two teams suck up so much support from the glory hunting/perpetuating the religious bullshit among our population. That also takes competitiveness and money from communities around the country which they go on to complain about. To put it as simply as possible, for every 1,000 seats we make available to the OF multiplied how often we play them at home over two seasons being seven (six guaranteed and one normally post split, plus an odd cup tie) and an average ticket price £24 (£30 minus 20% VAT) over a 20 year mortgage is £1.7m before you factor inflation which would take it closer to £2m. Give the OF an extra 5,000 seats to add to the 4,800 they get already we've realised £10m in revenue. Not only that the stadium would benefit from an uplift in home support due to the novelty factor of it being new. McDiarmid Park makes something like £1.2m from non match day hospitality and function hire. It seems every funeral in Perth goes back there for their sausage rolls and cakes. Even if we realise half of that on top of what we currently pull in, that's massive. Matchday hospitality would go up two or threefold with a modern offering. You mention the office space, covid allowed for a lot more home working and while there's still a need for it, it's not as essential as it was before. However, you then have to make the office space you do have and what if offers unique and a reason to seek it out. Having an incubator space where small startups can feed off each other and cross pollinate seems to me to be something that would give you an edge over an empty box at the foot of Airbles Road. You tap into every resource and grant going, local and national and pan UK. You sell the NLC the residents around FP moaning less, you offer a solution to their concert hall conundrum and you offer an anchor project to stimulate the Ravenscraig site. For me to be truly unique you need to push the boat out yet always have doing it cost effectively at the heart of it. I'd have it only the second covered grass football pitch in the UK (Millenium Stadium), I'd have that pitch removable so the space can be used for all sorts of events. I'd specify agricultural/industrial design and materials but do it in a way that's it's celebrated. I'd make the site one large power generator, ground source bored hot water to solar and have it export energy. Of course each one of the makes the price increase due to their perceived complexity but if done right and properly researched it can be done for much less than some think.

Except I outlined how we can. Granted back of a fag pack maths but it points to how it is achievable in theory and we maintain our income and costs similar to what as they are at present. I posted a link to the 42 page presentation I made on P&B earlier. I don't know if you reviewed it then but here it is: Our Future Home Presentation

I'm entirely largely in agreement with you on our options G & F. My preferred solution is a new stadium and it always has been. Whichever direction we choose, and I hope the directors don't simply kick the can down the road, there are no easy options. If we do move, the significant challenge we face is of course finance, there's no hiding from that. However, we are in a healthy position. Yes there are challenges in dealing with the various agencies involved in the Ravenscraig redevelopment, but I would have thought that given that progress has stalled, the lead body would be keen to help us move there to kickstart development and demonstrate progress. Retailing proposals have largely had their day and are no longer an option there. . There are significant problems if we choose to remain at Fir Park. As G & F rightly points out, the current site is very limited and we'd have to shoehorn in any new POD replacement. I'd assume that the Chapman building would also be demolished to provide more flexibility. The internal space within the current POD is a real constraint. If we wanted to expand and improve facilities such as hospitality suites internally then that would necessitate very creative thinking and design. Expansion of these facilities is essential in my book and I'm not sure how that would be done. Fir Park is a money pit and there will always be ongoing maintenance and development issues. If the POD is rebuilt what then? Will the Hunter Stand then need a new roof or replacement? Substantial amounts of cash will need to be spent on infrastructure every year. Nimbyism? You can be sure local residents would pore over new nut and bolt and parking space and object to every dumper truck movement and every decibel of sound generated by demolition. As G & F suggests maybe Dalziel Park training ground proposals could be halted and subsumed into a new site. Our new Board has conducted transfer negotiations and managerial appointments very professionally and in secrecy which is to be commended but they need to lift their veil of secrecy over issues like this. No, we don't need to know every detail just their general direction of travel. We are a fan owned club after all.

I'm not against a new stadium but to think we'd finance it by naming rights and office space is wide of the mark. Rotherham rent out office space in their new stadium and get £36,000 a year from one large office suite. Out with transfer fees we still run at a small operating loss so saddling ourselves with £500,000 to £1 million a year in additional financing costs is not realistic. If it was we'd have done it by now. Wed need numerous commercial partners to get it off the ground and they aren't easy to come by in the current economic climate.t https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/754397792160593

It wouldnt be every penny we have. If Just goes thru at £5m and Maswanhise similar, we are sitting on nearly £13m. With large a chunk of the Miller money still to be banked (albeit some of it ringfenced for the training facility) this is probably as good a time as any to bite the bullet. Im not saying Im 100% in on a new stadium, but it would be the best way to look to the future. We can stay at Fir Park and build a new POD and that will tide us over for a while. But it limits our options footprint wise and doesnt take into account the need to improve the rest of the stadium at some point in the future. That might be the safer way to proceed, and Im not against it either, but I think we need to think very carefully about this. Its a hugely significant moment in time for the club.

Stunned to learn wilson is only 21 . He’s been around the first team for 4+ years . i can see why previous managers extended his contract but suspect the championship is his level

Would need to see what kind of shape he was in and if his year on loan had improved him any. But I agree that on previous perfomances its probably not gonna happen for him with us.

so you'd put vitually every penny we have as a deposit.

If we put down a £10m deposit we only need to borrow £10m. Sell Maswanhise and we are in the ballpark.

A £20 million pound loan to build a stadium in the UK over 30 years would cost between £1.45 million to £2 million pounds a year to finance., Utter fantasy that we could afford that. Clubs out with Rangers and Celtic would get around £100,000 -£250,000 a year for naming rights.