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My mates at every home game have head in hands muttering FFS. Due to me cracking another joke 🤣🤣

Nobody will convince me Vogt is a player, out of all players mentioned above, Higdon, moult, Cowan etc etc ….. they’d all proved themselves prior to coming to us. I’d never boo any of our players though, absolutely never. I will however put my head in my hands and say nothing or mutter quietly to myself “for fks sake”!!! I would love it if he proved my initial take as wrong but I do see Willy moving on loan as soon as we get players back fit or another attacking player is added. and I think the players don’t rate him either…. The general looks and moaning at him when he’s on doesn’t fill me with our players having much confidence in him.

For Vogt I really hope the fans don't start getting on his back as that doesn't solve anything. If we get right behind him then hopefully the confidence builds though granted he needs to be showing us more. I hated the abuse SOD got a few years back from some and now look at him, he's that confident he has a new floppy hairdo! 🤣🤣 So remember Vogt is wearing the well top so he is.........Oor Willy.....Your Willy.....Abody's Willy 😁😁 COYW

Our defense looking pretty good, our midfield looking pretty good, surely we can get one or two of the forwards on our books to start scoring? AP, Hendry, Thor, JT, RCC, new guy.

He wasn't in the squad last week, so I thought maybe he was injured. He had worked his way back into first team contention last season after yet another injury spell. I'd be worried he'd not be able to stay fit in the high press, high tempo game we want to play now. That's what finished him off at Celtic - losing his place through injury when they played a similar style, and never managing to reclaim it.

Even if we can pay a portion of his weekly earnings (a small portion) it should benefit him and also back in the Scotland shop window with the new manager. I’m sure he’s still only 25/26? as mentioned though, being injured so often has stalled his career. We don’t need another one in the treatment table.

I’m sure he’s on his last 12 months of contract - A cheeky loan spell to get him back in the shop window . the only risk is another player who likes to see the the physio

I think turnbull has always wanted to return to us at some point. I think wages would be main issue. I am actually surprised that hearts or hibs haven't made an approach

I see Turnbull on the bench again today, didn’t come on as a sub last week either. Cardiff have bought a new midfielder for millions who plays in the same position. And he’s only had a few mins throughout pre season games. obviously we can’t buy him or afford his wages but surely a loan wouldn’t be out the question? Could be that midfielder to get us goals and create a bit in the final third.

The goal v hibs and goal on Thursday? If that's not playing out from the back, what is? I think , even with Slatts,Just and Watt, we would have lost on Thursday. You got to have the ball to keep it , Freiburg just different level.

Premier Sports 1 at 17:45.

Has anyone seen information about where the TV coverage of the away leg will be?

He has the look of another stamatelopolous about him, from the game time hes had he never seems to be where he should be, a rabbit in the headlights at times. I agree its a bit too soon to judge him, but the early signs are not encouraging.

I Know for a fact that that you are not the only one that has contacted the WS. All very 'Pass the buck', sadly. Gives the impression they don't want to rock the boat by themselves raising the issue on behalf of Members.

Vogt was a tough watch at Ochilview but there has been enough to suggest that his raw attributes could be developed and used to good effect out wide. I think he may benefit from having the likes of SoDs playing behind him and talking him through the game. More often than not, pace will cause damage in this league and he has it in abundance. The positional sense and knowing when to press will hopefully come over the next few months.

This. I've seen flashes of real class from him and am confident that he has ability. Whether or not he comes good only time will tell. Perhaps, given his background, he's just taking time to settle. Just to be clear he was a "JBA" signing.

I received an email from the Society to say that they had passed on my complaint to Brian Caldwell.

I think we held our own in the first half against a very physical big german 11 players. I was so glad we scored even scf players were like calm down its early, it made them actually be like right this isnt going to be a walk in the park for us. Even their coach said he credited our bravery and the way we played, i just wish we could go back to the jens way play it out from back break teams down lets hope joe H can be the watt replacement and control the midfield for us MON THE WELL

It definitely blocks passage to seats

"Well will also need to stump up another €4000 penalty for blocking passageways at Fir Park in the second qualifying round win over HB Torshavn." Daily record How much will we get fined if there are any issues with the substandard seating in the POD stand??

Can`t believe you missed out Stevie Cowan!!!😁

I think what hasn't helped the perception of Vogt's start with us for some people is the unusually high early hit rate of the other new signings, i.e. most, if not all of the rest, seem to have settled straight away and have at worst impressed to some degree or even looked real finds. Probably be a few months into the season before things look a bit clearer, for all of them.

Im sure the vast majority of the people who sit in the " new seats" in the pod are not looking for any form of compensation as they would still have to sit in the seats. Personally as an ST holder in the pod all i want is the club to acknowledge that they fecked up big time on this issue and get it sorted ASAP then we can all sit comfortably again.

It is far too early to judge Vogt. Higdon is the obvious example but I could name two more at least who had very uninspiring debuts butwent on to do well with us. Lukas Jutkiewitz ( excuse spelling) Debuted at Aberdeen under Gannon. He was slow looked unfit, the ball kept bouncing off him. Remember how he turned out? Louis Moult Debut at Inverness under Baraclough and looked completely lost. Bullied off the ball, lacking a physical presence. H just looked out his depth. The other debut striker that day impressed more. Was it Wesley Fletcher ? Remember how the two of them turned out?

Let’s hope Vogt develops along the lines of that “useless fat barsteward”Higdon. If anyone can coach him, surely AJ can?