Spiderpig

That's what you implied by by SKs actions who had to replace Casey as he was fecked, but as I said the whole team is to blame.

Butcher is brutal but he never cost us the game, our whole team starting the 2nd half by sitting back and letting Celtic come on to us with the inevitable result cost us at least a point today. Gent had a nightmare today everything Celtic threw at us came down his side, he constantly failed to stop the crosses coming in, and we got punished for it late on again. Celtic were there for the taking today and we got ourselves in a great position and then tried to sit bag and hang on for 45 mins and got what that tactic deserved feck all, our game management is brutal.

We keep getting told the club is stable nothing to see here etc, etc but the current board are all leaving, no sign of a new CEO, the optics don't look good.

I'm not a WS member so I've no say in the consultation but it seems blatantly obvious to me that if the WS members don't agree with reducing their shareholding then there will be no investment. Potential investors don't want to be dealing with shareholders that continually need to poll their membership at every turn to ask their opinion. So for me unless the WS shareholding is below 50% then I can't see it happening in a form beneficial to the club long term.

Investment talks progressing Rapidly according to the BBC Motherwell investment talks 'progressing rapidly' - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68369187

Hopefully not but it could be a family illness / bereavement or any number of personal issues that take priority over football and living away from home all of which are no concern of ours. So whatever it is I hope it works out well for him.

Obika in the team is like starting with 10 men, he offers nothing, Vale has a lot more pace than Obika so id keep him up front with Bair.

Good post , and the merits of Fan ownership are great in principle, however when applied to a club of Motherwells size there is a fundamental problem ie our fan base , even if every single fan joined the WS would still be too small to make it a sustainable model. So the club is going to need additional outside investment, which in turn raises the question of would a potential investor be interested in commiting money without gaining control of the club? For me I struggle to see how the club can attract investment with the WS in place, I hope that not the case but at the moment I don't think we are an attractive proposition.

I'm good at selective reading, i get lots of practice ignoring the dross you constantly spout but thanks for acknowledging it. 👍

So all you are interested in is beating the uglies, and the statement you make about "nearly every other club in the league having a better record against them than us" is just bullshit. But if that's your sole ambition as a Motherwell fan to beat the ugly sisters then who am I to argue, best of luck coping with being disappointed most years.

Well said 👏

I can't understand the obsession some people have about beating either of the ugly sisters, especially the blue half, we've beaten both of them in games that matter over the years , the 91 semi final, 2015 playoff final, 2017/18 league Cup, yes a league win is nice but its not as simple as that. The uncomfortable truth whether people like it or not is that they are both much better teams than us (Rangers playoff final team excepted) so we don't have a god given right to expect to beat them every time we play them. All these stats about other teams having better records than ours etc are irrelevant it's nothing to do with mental attitude either, every Motherwell player goes into every game hoping to win, but in the real world you get beaten by better teams, who cares if its 20 odd years since our last league win against the blue uglies I'd rather see us winning against the other 9 teams, to earn a Euro spot, a decent cup run, stay in the premiership etc, people need to chill out a bit.

I'm not a WS member, but if it was a question to all fans then I would say yes

Potential investors want a return on their money, ie controlling interest in the club, ownership of the stadium / land etc and for me the WS is a major obstacle to that for investors. Given our very limited fan base it was never going to be a long term workable solution and would any investor want to put money into the club with no certainty of a return / profit and not having control of the club, for me I can't see it happening.

My thoughts as well but over the years we've been very charitable to struggling teams looking for a win so I have the fear for this one. I can see us scoring but as you say our defence is a shambles and that's our biggest concern.

He deserves to be shown the door just because he's Obika, he's feckin brutal 👍

It seems the authorities are admitting they are not getting it right with VAR Big increase in wrong VAR calls, finds review panel - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68306579 We get mentioned twice

To be honest I thought it would be good for the game before it was introduced, but not now its a shambles, especially the bargin basement version we have combined with very poor operators. It's ruining the game and needs to be binned but the amateurs running the SFA / SPFL won't have the bottle to make a choice like that.

Fair enough I stand corrected 👍

4-4 surely, Mijovski had a goal disallowed for offside by VAR as well, that said its poor from us we've scored 10 goals in our last 4 games and dropped 4 points and been knocked out of the cup. SK seems to have sorted our goal threat issues he now needs to do the same with the defence as its brutal at the moment.

3-0 up after 35 mins then lose 3 goals in the next 20 mins is a feckin joke, but why am I not surprised it's the way we roll these days, the game should have been done. feckin shite from us.

It was me who posted the lists one for Motherwell and one for Groningen in the debate about trying to resign KVV, on the ins and outs theead i think,yes they were more than likely speculative shite but I suspect the figures won't be that far away from the truth.

Add to that list the cash we are allegedly spending each year funding a women's team. For me that's a vanity exercise and the money could be better spent elsewhere. But I totally agree the problems are not limited to SK the whole governance of the club needs to be looked at.

Turnbull starting for Cardiff City away at West Brom tonight.

Aberdeen are just as bad as us, make sure Mijovski is denied any time on the ball and they have nothing to offer, as you say our record up there is decent this game is very winnable.