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I have no idea why people are talking as if we're the worst team in the league. Where will the four points come from? Who would be all that surprised if we beat St Johnstone at home, drew with Killie at home (securing the four points needed) and then went on to draw away with a poor Hearts team who really have nothing left to play for, and grab another point or three against either County or Dundee away? We can get four points from that lot without much bother. I fully expect us to finish 8th or 9th.

Team that finished yesterday had 5 loanees, add other loanees that didn't feature and also out of contract players and it will be a totally different squad next season. Also McGinn, Gordon, Seddon and Stama missing doesn't help. As I said to my mates yesterday, it's like keeping a car ticking along till it's MOT is due. Just want to survive this season then we rebuild but Wimmer needs to be given a chance and his first transfer window hopefully gives us an idea of how we will look

I agree. We will not be getting relegated this season. The psychology is interesting. There is a rather natural assumption that we are the poorest of the 6 simply because of our natural angst of a worst case scenario. Hearts are probably the best of the six and they were rotten yesterday. They could not raise themselves to a performance despite all that was at stake. After Hearts, we are in the best place. The table does not lie. Draws work nicely for us. The teams below need wins. Again our natural irrational brains would tell us that St Johnstone will never make up 5 points on Dundee yet we have the fear about Dundee making up 5 points on us. We are rotten. Of that there is no doubt. The teams around us are as bad if not worse. If they were not, they would be further up the league table. I can't help but think of the Butland goal/ no goal against Rangers. Had that been given as it should we would be as good as home and dry right now. Yes there will be a few anguish moments but we will be safe this year.

He's watching the same game as you, but he doesn't have the freedom to publicly state what he actually thinks in the same way you do. You can't expect him to stand there at this stage of the season and say 'Jesus wept, we're shit'. I'm no expert, but his body language doesn't suggest he thinks everything's fine to me.

Highlight of yesterday for me when I heard this at Half time , what a tune 👏 takes me back to 1993-1995 era. Tommy Coyne etc That display in the Cooper Stand looked amazing also ,well done 👍

Nobody should be safe from the door that's in contract I would pay Balmer to leave,I am done with SOD as a part of a back three right back as a four no issues but as a three nope. We need pace, creativity and width in this team we are so predictable to play against the other team has to be really shite not to take advantage ie Hearts. Also Daws has to go aswell surely his contract must be up the recruitment has been so so poor last two transfer windows worst I have witnessed.

I'd add Robinson to that list, once he's fully recovered.

Great post and well argued. The only ones on your list I’d try to move out (always assuming other clubs would be interested in them) would be O’Donnell, Balmer and Nicholson. I forgot all about Stuparevic. He’s currently on loan at Morton and as I’ve not seen him playing yet I will reserve judgment.

As I posted elsewhere, according to what I can tell, we'll see the following first-team players return for next season at this stage: Aston Oxborough Stephen O'Donnell Liam Gordon Kofi Balmer John Koutroumbis Ewan Wilson Tom Sparrow Callum Slattery Lennon Miller Zach Robinson Apostolos Stamatelopoulos Sam Nicholson Tawanda Maswanhise Filip Stuparevic And notable among the younger players on loan/in development squads I think we're set to lose Matty Connolly, Luca Ross & Mark Ferrie, while Dylan Wells has another year left on his deal. I think, going by that list, Wimmer has not a bad base to work with next season, although it's clear that in order to completely change how we do things he's going to need two or even three transfer windows. In my view, Oxborough, Gordon, Sparrow, Slattery, Stama and Maswanhise should be regarded as genuine first-team players, provided they stay fit and maintain their current level. That gives us six, five of whom are outfield. This effectively leaves Wimmer with room to bring in up to six new faces who could slot straight into the starting eleven. The others on that list, realistically, will make up the squad depth and hopefully feature regularly from the bench. Let’s be honest, unless Wimmer sees something in pre-season that he feels he can develop, many of them will be sticking around simply because they’re under contract. I wouldn’t be surprised if Balcombe returned as a backup goalkeeper, unless there’s a stronger alternative available. From what I can tell, beyond Oxborough there’s nobody else in that role worth noting. If Balcombe is open to taking on that job, he might be a straightforward short-term solution until something more solid comes along. I’d also be tempted to explore whether anything can be done with Andrews. I know he’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but I’ve seen glimpses of ability there that might come to the fore with a different setup around him. If Miller is sold, we’ll need someone to step into that role, and Andrews has shown flashes that suggest he could do it. It all comes down to his own aspirations and whatever plans his parent club might have. Ultimately, it’s now up to Wimmer and the club to make the big decisions. Beyond the names already mentioned, I don’t see any strong case to extend deals for others currently in the squad. There’s clearly room to overhaul things, and how far that goes will depend on the manager and those handling recruitment.

Very similar to a list I posted recently and an indictment on us as a club - 34 players in our first team squad and as you say this 20 need to be shown the door. To your list I’d add the following 5: Watt O’Donnell Balmer Zadravkovski Nicholson If they all go, it would leave us with only 9 players - 8 if and when Lennon Miller goes. One thing’s for certain, Herr Wimmer and his assistant are going to have a very busy close season.

Think time is up for McGinn . 34 years and out much of this season, from memory he a thigh injury last season that kept him out during our poor run. I'd let him go , time to look ahead and get something different. The clubs recruitment has been awful. The last few seasons have come down to this time of the season saying : 1) I hope we don't get drawn in the play offs. 2) next season will be better when we get rid of xyz. We have typically off loaded players only to replace them with something worse. Our squad is majority of journeymen from England - time to change the approach.

Seeing it is you, we'll let you off!🤣

There are a lot more than Thompson that should be shown the door, Tavares, Andrews, Robinson, Balcome, Dickson, zdravkovski, Ebiye to name a few. This summer is going to be one of the biggest rebuilds in recent seasons.

Oh I agree Miller has been border line awful for a number of weeks but I thought yesterday he won a lot, broke up a lot of the Hearts play, yeah sure he hit some wayward passes but tell me a Motherwell player who didn't. Thompson should never darken our door again a dreadful player and Hearts knew it they pressed down our left most of the game cos they know hes poor.

I don't think it's lack of effort, just not good enough

For a game that carried so much pre-KO, that has to be one of the most "insiped" matches I've ever witnessed. Neither team looked as if they wanted to win it and fear stifled any invention at all. Absolute pish - from both teams.

I prefer Ox in goal but Balcombe had a really good game today, so to drop him would be harsh.

Impotent, clueless shite, but what’s new?! And Wimmer’s post-match interview doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence that he knows what’s required either. This team hasn’t shown anything in recent weeks to suggest that it’s capable of winning another game this season. Worrying times ahead.

I've just upped my contributions again. Wasn't in a position to do so until fairly recently. Good luck to the folk standing for election this time around.

That's not what happened though it is? And I think you know this and not for the first time. I let all of them slide despite your best efforts to get a rise because it is pure energy vampire stuff. The constant twisting of what actually happened, needing to be at the centre of everything often devoid of any salient points, citing you don't have issues with anyone while having a long rap sheet of those perceived to have wronged you, hijacking of threads or taking them off on a merry tangent and not being robust enough to take a joke or be corrected without crying foul. All combined, they landed you in SteelmenOnline jail until recently. I'm glad you cite P&B, you rocked up in the St Mirren matchday thread a few weeks back and ... surprise surprise ... binfire. To the extent the St Mirren fans with no preconceptions or knowledge told you to take a break with the standard eyeroll. You demand anonymity yet lay out your life story in along with your name in unsolicited DM's. You cite being stalked, yet your online and real world actions fits most traits of that behaviour. You claim to be chill and water off a ducks back yet you prickle at everything. However, the most vexatious action is the twisting of the truth to fuel your grudges. Time for a long hard look in the mirror. You must also not have been paying much attention last summer, but I keep receipts. The DM's you cite were forwarded to Yabba and another moderator in their entirety because I knew I'd need to keep my powder dry because you simply can't help yourself. So get your wee rant typed up littered with the well worn victim stuff and sympathy fishing. Don't DM me, don't slander me on Facebook and don't continue to bring a sword to a gunfight. To everyone else, apologies for this, this is a football forum after all for conjecture, debate and most importantly humour. Just straw/camels back ...

Not only would writing off that Loan have removed a barrier to the ground being sold or used as Security for external funding, it would also have eliminated the Society's position as a Preferred Creditor in the event of MFC failing. Not seen as likely when the Society was established (and hopefully not now), but a sensible safeguard that was one of the main reason funds were originally to be Loaned rather than Donated. Repayment of those monies in a worst case scenario to assist a rebirth of the Club if ever needed. Despite that agreement I believe the former WS Board authorised the release of funds in excess of £1m by way of donation to MFC. That is £1m of fan contributions that have gone forever. Looking forward, I understand the current Society Board have indicated that future funds will primarily be provided by way of Loan? Unless my take on the recent AGM is incorrect that is. Why the 2 Society Reps then on the Executive Board saw fit to recommend any deal that involved the removal of those safeguards (and potential repayment of monies) defeats me. I did ask the question at the time, but received no explanation. So how is the revitalised Society doing? A positive start with a great deal more communication and openness. Expectations were high following the plans/ambitions that were set out. Maybe too high? My concern is that the Society are expected to carry out duties that should primarily be the responsibility of the Executive Board. I'm also sad to see Jason moving on after 8 years. I wish him well.