Joeboy Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 I'd love to keep Cadden for the forseeable but unfortunately we need to sell our assets. We don't have the biggest window to big him up for a sale in all honesty, He has the same length of contract as Johnson, so realistically January or the summer will be when he is at his optimum value. When he signed his new deal, as happy as I was, I thought a two year deal was a bit light. I'm in no doubt we tried to get him on three years, but his agent probably advised him not to agree to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donaldo87 Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 Whoring our players out to maximise sales? Can't have that. I hoped the wink would make it clear that I was having a laugh.. That dirty bastard McGhee in charge of our Official Twitter? Would be interesting to see anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 I'd love to keep Cadden for the forseeable but unfortunately we need to sell our assets. We don't have the biggest window to big him up for a sale in all honesty, He has the same length of contract as Johnson, so realistically January or the summer will be when he is at his optimum value. When he signed his new deal, as happy as I was, I thought a two year deal was a bit light. I'm in no doubt we tried to get him on three years, but his agent probably advised him not to agree to that. With Cadden you'd think that with the fact that he'll still be under 23 at the end of that contract then the development contribution essentially guarantees a minimum value. Even if that contract does expire then much like say, Slater where the development fee was rumoured to have put off a few Scottish teams and unlike Johnson where Oxford were able to piss about with low opening offers it's not as if he could just walk away for nothing. Cuts both ways I suppose since where in Johnson's case the club were able to quote a valuation and work to an agreeable and arguably more realistic amount, in this case there would be a definite guaranteed value and any buyer would know they could hold off and that's the amount they'd be obliged to pay but when you look at the amount of work the club, McGhee et al had to put in to talking up Johnson to eventually get what they did vs what the club were paid for someone like Erwin then it's quite a stark contrast. In a sense, and I haven't really thought this through so I'll happily stand corrected, is there not an argument that Cadden's value increases purely based on the length of time he stays at the club and is playing games for now up until the season he turns 23 regardless of the length of his contract? Unlike an over 23 player such as Johnson. Having said that I've no wish to see Cadden end up at Colchester or the like and see him move out of contract. Clearly the club would be wanting to get a significant fee and he genuinely seems to have the potential to be a far better player than Johnson in but at worst there would be a baseline value particularly if he's able to start making appearances at u21 level. Am I right in thinking that elements such as international recognition and first team appearances factor in to the final compensation fee along with length of time at the club, and category of the buyer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoF Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 Would be interesting to see anyway He would y'know, not really say, y'know that much in y'know, 140 characters, y'know, because y'know he likes y'know say y'know. Y'know? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellowell Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 I think with Cadden as said previously if he signed a 3 yr deal he could walk away at end of it and we get nothing but as he signed a 2 yr if he walked we would be entitled to compensation and in a yrs time we can try to extend by another 2 yrs if still here so great business by the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshillWell Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 Difference is that Cadden comes from a football family with a solid grounding and a father that seems to advise his boys well. It is not as if they are on the fringes of our team, thinking they are the next Kenny Dalglish and behaving like Paul Slane. I fully expect Chris Cadden to be here for his development until he feels ready for a big move and I'm sure it will be a large offer from a Championship club. So many young Scottish players have gone to England and disappeared into obscurity. Fraser Fyvie, Scott Allan and Andrew Sinnue being three midfielders that spring to mind, all now playing at a level lower than us. If Cadden was a Celtic player, he may well have featured in senior Scotland Squad by now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Dosser Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 Walter Carlyle indeed? Its years since I've heard his name mentioned. I seem to recall he was so uncoordinated that he didn't know what he was going to do next....neither did we or the opposition! You've got a better memory than me 'cos you remembered how he spelt his name. Yes, he was completely unpredictable: the original "Open the gates and let him go" type. As a nine year old I found him quite exciting, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 Jack Leitch just signed up with Airdrie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 You've got a better memory than me 'cos you remembered how he spelt his name. Yes, he was completely unpredictable: the original "Open the gates and let him go" type. As a nine year old I found him quite exciting, though. "Wattie" he's right up there with George Lindsay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 is there not an argument that Cadden's value increases purely based on the length of time he stays at the club and is playing games for now up until the season he turns 23 regardless of the length of his contract? I think thats correct. Is it not also true that a significant part of a young player's valuation is dependent on his salary? I think this is where Dundee United and Hibs really benefit as they put their brightest prospects on pretty high wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 I think thats correct. Is it not also true that a significant part of a young player's valuation is dependent on his salary? I think this is where Dundee United and Hibs really benefit as they put their brightest prospects on pretty high wages. From memory on the Lee Erwin conversation when going to Leeds, I think it's something like 50/60k per year of training from the age of 12 up to 23. Not sure salary comes into it though. Could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 From memory on the Lee Erwin conversation when going to Leeds, I think it's something like 50/60k per year of training from the age of 12 up to 23. Not sure salary comes into it though. Could be wrong. Is it not something like in order to protect your right to compensation the contract offer has to be at least equal to the prior deal (or along those lines)? Edit: The rules on compensation are in Section F here if it's of any interest: here: http://spfl.co.uk/docs/067_324__therulesofthescottishprofessionalfootballleagueasat4august2016_1471856539.pdf The wage seems to relate to a guideline in determining a fee at tribunal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Dosser Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 "Wattie" he's right up there with George Lindsay That's spooky. I was going to mention him in the same category but thought no one else would remember him. Anyhow, I'm hoping Belic will be a young talent we can develop and hold on to after January if he is playing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 "Wattie" he's right up there with George Lindsay I don't know about that. George was my boyhood hero - not the greatest in the world but a real trier who could run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 I don't know about that. George was my boyhood hero - not the greatest in the world but a real trier who could run. Exactly!! Gave 100% !! sometime brilliant other times not so much but still a favourite with the fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 Is it not something like in order to protect your right to compensation the contract offer has to be at least equal to the prior deal (or along those lines)? Edit: The rules on compensation are in Section F here if it's of any interest: here: http://spfl.co.uk/docs/067_324__therulesofthescottishprofessionalfootballleagueasat4august2016_1471856539.pdf The wage seems to relate to a guideline in determining a fee at tribunal. Aye its not clear really on a quick read. Mentions a tribunal related to the wage thing. But also development compo in the section below. Anyway...he is still here. Haha. Hopefully gets on in the u21s tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinjy Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 Exactly!! Gave 100% !! sometime brilliant other times not so much but still a favourite with the fans. I remember George coming back to Fir Park to play for Queen of the South and he got a great welcome when he took his place in front of the old enclosure. He was a real cult hero very fast but the crowd and probably himself did not know what he was going to do next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 Goals from Law and Erwin and an assist from Johnson today 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigeeze Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 Poor bustard doesn't realise he only has one game to convince some he'll be a player (maybe two appearances if he comes on as a sub) That long? I give it til after he walks out to warm up before he's dubbed a new Messiah or a worthless dud by some on here. Or even after training ground rumours lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 Goals from Law and Erwin and an assist from Johnson today They dont play for us anymore so why do you think anybody gives a feck what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoF Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 They dont play for us anymore so why do you think anybody gives a feck what they do. You don't speak for me. I'm always curious as to how ex players are doing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzyB Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 I'm always interested to hear what our recent ex players are up to, I'm sure others don't mind reading it either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underboyleheating Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 I'm always curious as to how ex players are doing. I'm always interested to hear what our recent ex players are up to, I'm sure others don't mind reading it either. Same here, I have always had a passing interest in how ex-players are getting on. Even Casagolda! According to Wiki he banged in 41 goals in 59 appearances for Belgium 3rd division side Dender. This goal machine performance has earned him a move to the Belgium 2nd division side Oud-Heverlee Leuven in 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 Goals from Law and Erwin and an assist from Johnson today Apparently Oldham were dreadful today, lost against a crap team and lost the previous home game shipping 5 goals at home. Two points off the relegation zone. The Barraclough Effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 They dont play for us anymore so why do you think anybody gives a feck what they do. I'm with you Allan. They've moved on and are history so far as MFC is concerned. My only interest is if there is some clause relating to add on payments to the benefit of our club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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