spudmfc Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 20 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said: It's not the worst team in 36 years. People on here have short memories. Remember the latter days of Robinson when you knew we'd do absolutely nothing every week? And you need players like Goss if you want to do anything. That ball he played over the Hibs defence in the first half. Absolute class. It's the other players that aren't doing enough. I remember ok teams that got off to great starts in the league,took the pressure off and gave us confidence,there is zero confidence in this team,no one seems to want the ball,even when they do the only option is throwing it into the corners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 Surely that must be the end of Shields in the starting line up? It also needs to be the end of having 3 of the same player in the line up. Slattery, Spittal and Cornelius. While Goss is not the answer he probably has to start as he seems to be the only with even a glimmer of creativity. We need to see a fairly drastic change for the next game and Hammel needs to get them fired up so they at least look like they care about not getting relegated. Assuming no new faces before the next game I’d go with the players below although not 100% sure What formation but at least make us a bit less pedestrian in midfield, perhaps a bit stronger in Defence Kelly johnson McGinn Lamie O’Donnel Tierney Goss Penny Spittal KVV McKinstrey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, texanwellfan said: Surely that must be the end of Shields in the starting line up? It also needs to be the end of having 3 of the same player in the line up. Slattery, Spittal and Cornelius. While Goss is not the answer he probably has to start as he seems to be the only with even a glimmer of creativity. We need to see a fairly drastic change for the next game and Hammel needs to get them fired up so they at least look like they care about not getting relegated. Assuming no new faces before the next game I’d go with the players below although not 100% sure What formation but at least make us a bit less pedestrian in midfield, perhaps a bit stronger in Defence Kelly johnson McGinn Lamie O’Donnel Tierney Goss Penny Spittal KVV McKinstrey offt good job your in texas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 16 minutes ago, texanwellfan said: Surely that must be the end of Shields in the starting line up? It also needs to be the end of having 3 of the same player in the line up. Slattery, Spittal and Cornelius. While Goss is not the answer he probably has to start as he seems to be the only with even a glimmer of creativity. We need to see a fairly drastic change for the next game and Hammel needs to get them fired up so they at least look like they care about not getting relegated. Assuming no new faces before the next game I’d go with the players below although not 100% sure What formation but at least make us a bit less pedestrian in midfield, perhaps a bit stronger in Defence Kelly johnson McGinn Lamie O’Donnel Tierney Goss Penny Spittal KVV McKinstrey Shields should be sent out on loan for rest of this season, and then sold ASAP. We need to cut our losses. He's 18 months into a 3-year deal and offers nothing. Blaney should get a chance in defence as Lamie is shit. Not sure about Penney in midfield, mainly as he looks like his head is back in Ipswich. I'd throw caution to the wind and blood the youth, who surely can't be any worse than the dross we currently field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 15 minutes ago, smiddy said: offt good job your in texas Lol popular opinion seems to be calling for change. I’m just offering an option. Let’s face it probably can’t dOnmuch worse than the current status quo week after week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted January 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 The gaffer said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 He looks like a beaten man from that interview. On a ‘plus’ note Dundee Utd are 0-2 down so they wouldn’t go above us tonight as long as that stays the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, SteelmaninOZ said: The gaffer said Hamstrung and clueless. Without significant investment and changes in the next few weeks, he's finished and so is our stay in the top division. It's that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erskine Alpha Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 Sounds like he knows what's coming or at least knows what he may do next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Grew Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 If we don’t beat Ross County next week then we’ll be in the Championship next season - and who knows maybe for a few seasons. Very poor squad of players, no money at the club, fan ownership laudable but failing due to small support, club run by well-meaning amateurs, Board fouled up with previous manager and then handed job to a rookie. If you sling out the players that aren’t any good/not performing then there’s not much left to make a team with. All adds up to a recipe for disaster and that’s what’s happening. Doubtful whether removal of Hammell at this point in time would make a difference as we just don’t have the players to get us out of this mess - and that’s been glaringly obvious since the Sligo Rovers debacle. Complete re-think required as to how the club is being run/managed off the field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mccus28 Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 We are in a fight now but with a bunch of players who have no fight in them. Sol and Lamie are a horror show!!!!!! Hammell looks like a wee lost boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, El Grew said: All adds up to a recipe for disaster and that’s what’s happening. Doubtful whether removal of Hammell at this point in time would make a difference as we just don’t have the players to get us out of this mess - and that’s been glaringly obvious since the Sligo Rovers debacle. Complete re-think required as to how the club is being run/managed off the field. I don't disagree with the second paragraph here and much of what you said. But changing the manager may make a difference. Alexander came into a Robinson squad that was capitulating and made them hard to beat (yes, and hard to watch). Hammell seems unable to set up a team to be hard to beat. There may be other managers out there who can... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkyred Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 32 minutes ago, wellfan said: Shields should be sent out on loan for rest of this season, and then sold ASAP. We need to cut our losses. He's 18 months into a 3-year deal and offers nothing. Blaney should get a chance in defence as Lamie is shit. Not sure about Penney in midfield, mainly as he looks like his head is back in Ipswich. I'd throw caution to the wind and blood the youth, who surely can't be any worse than the dross we currently field. I honestly would keep him, he’s under contract and will do well in the championship. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 he sounds like he wants to give it to the team and tell them how shite they are,,, but heez biting his lip and kind of sticking up for them cause he knows heez got fuck all else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 9 minutes ago, Yorkyred said: I honestly would keep him, he’s under contract and will do well in the championship. His stats suggest he is not good enough for the Championship either. League 1 at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 32 minutes ago, SteelmaninOZ said: The gaffer said I've got a fair amount of sympathy for SH. Previous gaffers have come out post match and spoken utter dross. At least he comes out and calls it for what it is. Basic mistakes , irrespective of coaching it's individuals making stupid mistakes each week. Why - because they're not good enough. SH needs to have some level of accountability - which means being ruthless in terms of who he drops. The dilema is he'll need to bring in youngsters who're not ready. To be fair that's the roll of the dice he prob needs to take. Ideally we need Burrows to come out and show some financial backing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, wellsince75 said: I've got a fair amount of sympathy for SH. Previous gaffers have come out post match and spoken utter dross. At least he comes out and calls it for what it is. Basic mistakes , irrespective of coaching it's individuals making stupid mistakes each week. Why - because they're not good enough. SH needs to have some level of accountability - which means being ruthless in terms of who he drops. The dilema is he'll need to bring in youngsters who're not ready. To be fair that's the roll of the dice he prob needs to take. Ideally we need Burrows to come out and show some financial backing. Hammy is onto a hiding to nothing so he might as well blood the youth and drop the dross. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 44 minutes ago, MelvinBragg said: I don't disagree with the second paragraph here and much of what you said. But changing the manager may make a difference. Alexander came into a Robinson squad that was capitulating and made them hard to beat (yes, and hard to watch). Hammell seems unable to set up a team to be hard to beat. There may be other managers out there who can... Exactly right,the only option we have is to change manager and hope they get more from the squad than hammell is able too.i don't believe for a second that an experienced manager with a bit of know how couldn't set us up better than we currently are.the vast majority games were losing is by the odd goal,a new manager might be able to turn some of those defeats into draws and the odd win which in turn might just be enough to see us safe this season,for us to leave it like it is would be insanity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Balls of Shire Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Ya Bezzer! said: It's not the worst team in 36 years. People on here have short memories. Remember the latter days of Robinson when you knew we'd do absolutely nothing every week? And you need players like Goss if you want to do anything. That ball he played over the Hibs defence in the first half. Absolute class. It's the other players that aren't doing enough. I agree, Goss and to a lesser extent are good footballers but it isn't working, that's for sure The goals we lose are terrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coatsy Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 Goss is dross, can't tackle and doesn't track runners from midfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellwell91 Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 hour ago, wellsince75 said: SH needs to have some level of accountability - which means being ruthless in terms of who he drops. The dilema is he'll need to bring in youngsters who're not ready. To be fair that's the roll of the dice he prob needs to take. How do know they’re not ready ????? Remember Robertson saying that Turnbull was not ready when the fans were clambering for him to get a start eventually forced to play him and the rest is history as they say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dossertillidie2 Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, wellwell91 said: How do know they’re not ready ????? Remember Robertson saying that Turnbull was not ready when the fans were clambering for him to get a start eventually forced to play him and the rest is history as they say Ironically it was hammell that pushed for turnbull to get a chance so he has a track record of knowing when to play youngsters same fans on here wanting Cornelius to be given a chance now wanting Maguire back instead . The amount of contrafuckery by some of our fans is rediculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, wellwell91 said: How do know they’re not ready ????? Remember Robertson saying that Turnbull was not ready when the fans were clambering for him to get a start eventually forced to play him and the rest is history as they say You're right, I've no idea if they're ready or not. There's several players that I'd drop and give some of the younger players a chance to show what they can do. The flip side is we'll be on a hiding to nothing if we end up losing games by 2,3,4 goals rather than the odd goal. A few Years ago Turnbull and Hastie saved our bacon, would be nice if we could repeat that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Balls of Shire Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 hour ago, El Grew said: If we don’t beat Ross County next week then we’ll be in the Championship next season - and who knows maybe for a few seasons. Very poor squad of players, no money at the club, fan ownership laudable but failing due to small support, club run by well-meaning amateurs, Board fouled up with previous manager and then handed job to a rookie. If you sling out the players that aren’t any good/not performing then there’s not much left to make a team with. All adds up to a recipe for disaster and that’s what’s happening. Doubtful whether removal of Hammell at this point in time would make a difference as we just don’t have the players to get us out of this mess - and that’s been glaringly obvious since the Sligo Rovers debacle. Complete re-think required as to how the club is being run/managed off the field. 50|50 re changing manager....you don't have to be a tactical genius to organise a defence , that is what is killing us..the livi goal and the 3 today are Sunday league stuff... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Balls of Shire Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 25 minutes ago, Coatsy said: Goss is dross, can't tackle and doesn't track runners from midfield Your opinion bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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