Mccus28 Posted February 2, 2024 Report Share Posted February 2, 2024 1 minute ago, purestate said: Wrong. Obviously Biereth , a now known quantity at our level would have been preferable, but Bair (6) and Spittal (5) are still at the club. Have a look at our goal scorers. Who knows if Vale can chip in but some seem to want to write him off already. Which is why i said "joint" so not wrong but carry on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted February 2, 2024 Report Share Posted February 2, 2024 3 minutes ago, wellfan said: Square pegs into round holes, but okay. And does the multitude of fullbacks makes up for the fact we didn't properly replace three outgoing strikers? Purestate's assessment of our wing backs is pretty much spot on but did we need to sign so many? Could the wages being expended on one maybe have been used to up the offer to a striker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purestate Posted February 2, 2024 Report Share Posted February 2, 2024 11 minutes ago, wellfan said: Square pegs into round holes, but okay. And does the multitude of fullbacks make up for the fact we didn't adequately replace three outgoing strikers? Now that’s a reasonable question and my opinion is that the defence needs a new approach and so perhaps yes a more dynamic (basing on youth only I appreciate) can improve that side Also if we concede less then we can afford to score a little less but still win points. (My Hearts point but also plenty of the other teams above us) Also Vale doesn’t need to score any to adequately replace Shaw 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted February 2, 2024 Report Share Posted February 2, 2024 Just now, purestate said: Also Vale doesn’t need to score any to adequately replace Shaw 😉 That we can agree on! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 2, 2024 Report Share Posted February 2, 2024 Definitely the worst pant wetting January window I've seen. I do consider some of it over the top. I will wait and see what the signings do before signing our demise. Certain facts still remain St J, Ross County and Livingston haven't exactly strengthened to any great degree and from the outside still basically look shite. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted February 2, 2024 Report Share Posted February 2, 2024 The only real saving grace is that livingston,st johnstone and ross county don't seem to have strengthened to any great degree but at the same time it doesn't take away from our own dealings.for 3 forwards to have left and only 1 brought in simply isn't on,were 1 injury away from a complete disaster and with our luck it won't be long until it happens.the raft of full back signings is strange,I get replacing montgomery so we can keep gent further forward but will we go with a loanee or the kiwi boy over o'donnell on the other side,I'm not so sure we will.theres free agents out there so not all is lost,i seen the likes of flo kamberi mentioned over on p&b which is a decent shout,joe efford is now a free and the way we're business the now is more likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelllfan Posted February 2, 2024 Report Share Posted February 2, 2024 Its been a decent window as a whole, Like the Nicholson and Halliday signings. The loans are all punts so here's hoping they do well and we'll see what Elliot can offer once he's fit. But i do feel we're still light up top and lacking an experienced CB to organise the 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 2, 2024 Report Share Posted February 2, 2024 16 minutes ago, mfc said: The only real saving grace is that livingston,st johnstone and ross county don't seem to have strengthened to any great degree but at the same time it doesn't take away from our own dealings.for 3 forwards to have left and only 1 brought in simply isn't on,were 1 injury away from a complete disaster and with our luck it won't be long until it happens.the raft of full back signings is strange,I get replacing montgomery so we can keep gent further forward but will we go with a loanee or the kiwi boy over o'donnell on the other side,I'm not so sure we will.theres free agents out there so not all is lost,i seen the likes of flo kamberi mentioned over on p&b which is a decent shout,joe efford is now a free and the way we're business the now is more likely. The club would never touch that bastard Efford. He can go take a running fuck to himself. He was a disgrace feigning injury to force the club into letting him go. If that bastard was the last striker on the planet I wouldn't touch him. An absolute disgrace of a pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted February 2, 2024 Report Share Posted February 2, 2024 4 hours ago, purestate said: Nope - as pointed out by a few we have older less mobile/dynamic players who can fit in with a central three. So perhaps the full backs are attempt to stop the crosses coming in and provide better forward support. We have signed a bunch of kids on loan so that's unlikely. Kettlewell is a tit who can't handle transfers is the more likely answer and he panicked and brought in two bodies we don't need because he's a bullshitter and thinks he can spin it to make himself look less incompetent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted February 2, 2024 Report Share Posted February 2, 2024 You can dress it up any way you like but if someone had said on 1st January that by the time this window closes we will have lost Biereth and the only forward replacement we signed was a kid from Blackburn with zero track record of scoring goals then it would have seemed unbelievable and totally unacceptable. But that’s where we are now. An absolute shambles of a transfer window. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted February 2, 2024 Report Share Posted February 2, 2024 We went into the window with too small a squad . we left the window with an even smaller squad . we needed to improve several key areas centre backs - not done fullbacks - time will tell midfield - done forwards - unlikely to have improved Appreciate it’s a hard window , esp for strikers but a loaner or 2 wouldn’t have been that hard . Equally shocking re centre backs - not a hard role to fill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geek24601 Posted February 2, 2024 Report Share Posted February 2, 2024 Disgraceful window. The whole club is in free fall and let’s be very honest we will be lucky not to be in the playoff. Not pushing the boat out to bring in Van Veen is atrocious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted February 2, 2024 Report Share Posted February 2, 2024 13 minutes ago, wellsince75 said: midfield - done Did I miss a signing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted February 2, 2024 Report Share Posted February 2, 2024 I'm past the KVV thing now as Killie are throwing silly money at it. Maybe we'll pull a rabbit out of the free agent hat, or announce something today. Think Nicholson will be good in terms of attacking threat. Hopefully Vale brings something to the table. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted February 2, 2024 Report Share Posted February 2, 2024 1 hour ago, MJC said: You can dress it up any way you like but if someone had said on 1st January that by the time this window closes we will have lost Biereth and the only forward replacement we signed was a kid from Blackburn with zero track record of scoring goals then it would have seemed unbelievable and totally unacceptable. But that’s where we are now. An absolute shambles of a transfer window. As I said above, the outcome of this window was entirely predictable. It's no surprise to me that Kettlewell, who I think should've been sent on his way before January, appears to have presided over another generally poor transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsince1976 Posted February 2, 2024 Report Share Posted February 2, 2024 8 hours ago, wellgirl said: No it wasn't. We clearly couldn't afford his wages Correct. Folk need to realise we`re skint. We had to get players out, before we could even make an approach for anyone. If they then don`t want to accept what wages we can afford, then it`s not the managers fault. It`s the Motherwell world we now live in folks. Depressing that Killie and St Mirren can out manouvre us finacially, but that`s the reality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted February 2, 2024 Report Share Posted February 2, 2024 4 minutes ago, Wellsince1976 said: Correct. Folk need to realise we`re skint. We had to get players out, before we could even make an approach for anyone. If they then don`t want to accept what wages we can afford, then it`s not the managers fault. It`s the Motherwell world we now live in folks. Depressing that Killie and St Mirren can out manouvre us finacially, but that`s the reality. That is depressing. Fan ownership don't work with such a small fan base and committee led decisions. We need to show initiative. Think outside the box. Innovation. Sadly the model don't allow if. I do think we could have signed can Veen but we have a very risk averse model. Least he won't celebrate when he scores against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted February 2, 2024 Report Share Posted February 2, 2024 4 minutes ago, robsterwood said: That is depressing. Fan ownership don't work with such a small fan base and committee led decisions. We need to show initiative. We have made cup finals, Europe, 3rd place with fan ownership. Fan ownership provides the manager with roughly £2.5 million a year to spend on players. Fan ownership has brought in Carson, Gillespie, Aldred, Kipre, Hartley, Goss, Cole, Watt, Van Veen. The problem isn't the ownership model it's the fact that the manager and head of recruitment are useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numpty Posted February 2, 2024 Report Share Posted February 2, 2024 6 hours ago, FirParkCornerExile said: The club would never touch that bastard Efford. He can go take a running fuck to himself. He was a disgrace feigning injury to force the club into letting him go. If he can fool all our trained medical professionals into thinking he's injured, I know who I'd be letting go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted February 2, 2024 Report Share Posted February 2, 2024 32 minutes ago, wellfan said: As I said above, the outcome of this window was entirely predictable. It's no surprise to me that Kettlewell, who I think should've been sent on his way before January, appears to have presided over another generally poor transfer window. Our transfer policy has been a shambles going back to the Robinson era. I've said it before but it seems to be 'who can we get' rather than 'what do we need'. It's been youth development that has consistently saved our ass whether it be Turnbull, Campbell, Scott, Johnston and hopefully Miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie73 Posted February 2, 2024 Report Share Posted February 2, 2024 How much do we make from Turnbull’s Cardiff transfer, could this not have funded Van Veen, that’s the gamble we should have taken to ensure survival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purestate Posted February 2, 2024 Report Share Posted February 2, 2024 1 hour ago, geek24601 said: Disgraceful window. The whole club is in free fall and let’s be very honest we will be lucky not to be in the playoff. Not pushing the boat out to bring in Van Veen is atrocious. Don’t agree. Two/three of our better players up til now were younger loanees and we’ve brought in some who look promising. have a look at who other clubs have been able to bring in, especially those who we’ll be competing with in bottom six Are there any names there people would like to have seen at Fir Park and think are guaranteed to improve those other clubs position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretzel Posted February 2, 2024 Report Share Posted February 2, 2024 Too many people getting their Y fronts in a twist. I thought we were one decent striker away from having a good window. We added Obika the day after last year quickly followed by the likes of Casey and Butcher, hopefully we still have some irons in the fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted February 2, 2024 Report Share Posted February 2, 2024 I fail to see why we're still struggling to appoint a CEO? Do the board not read these forums. All the candidates they need are right here 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted February 2, 2024 Report Share Posted February 2, 2024 For those suggesting we "pushed the boat out" for Van Veen, how far should we have pushed? Are you 100% convinced he'd have got the goals to keep us up? So you're guaranteeing he's fit and in form? And guaranteeing he won't get injured? Any player can get injured, can we afford to have stretched our budget for a guy only for him to be injured? Pushing the boat out for Van Veen would have been lunacy... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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