robsterwood Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 Just now, grizzlyg said: There is no way we could have kept KVV, our wage structure couldn't have managed it. In the end we managed to sell him and get a good transfer fee . We move on That's what I'm saying . Wage structure limited . But why can't it be altered to show ambition.? And no innovation or thinking outside the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, fizoxy said: I'd say it would be amateur hour if we spent all of our money on one player then just prayed he doesn't get injured, suspended or lose form. I do get that too and of course it may create division in squad. Just asking for some innovation. Looks like we got more issues than just needing a forward. Hopefully mika ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 The main problem with our business this summer is that pretty much every signing was a gamble. Before anyone jumps down my throat here, I know we tend not to sign "sure things" but last summer among other signings that were gambles we signed Paul McGinn and Blair Spittal, two players with track record at our level. This summer? Obika: Gambling on his injury record. Wilkinson: Just returning from a serious injury. Bair: Unproven at SPL level. Souare: See Obika. Casey: Missed preseason. Loose cannon without Butcher alongside him. Biereth: Unproven and just returning from injury. Zdravkovski: Coming from abroad, always a gamble. Paton: Injured again.. If we had signed a couple of players of a similar level to Spittal and McGinn without horrendous injury records, I'd be a lot more confident in the business we had done... EDIT Oh, and the chat about Van Veen is absolute nonsense. He had no intention of staying here... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 47 minutes ago, robsterwood said: That's what I'm saying . Wage structure limited . But why can't it be altered to show ambition.? And no innovation or thinking outside the box. In all honesty pal I reckon KVV would have been looking for £7k a week minimum which we simply can't afford, harsh but true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 10 hours ago, MelvinBragg said: The main problem with our business this summer is that pretty much every signing was a gamble. Before anyone jumps down my throat here, I know we tend not to sign "sure things" but last summer among other signings that were gambles we signed Paul McGinn and Blair Spittal, two players with track record at our level. This summer? Obika: Gambling on his injury record. Wilkinson: Just returning from a serious injury. Bair: Unproven at SPL level. Souare: See Obika. Casey: Missed preseason. Loose cannon without Butcher alongside him. Biereth: Unproven and just returning from injury. Zdravkovski: Coming from abroad, always a gamble. Paton: Injured again.. If we had signed a couple of players of a similar level to Spittal and McGinn without horrendous injury records, I'd be a lot more confident in the business we had done... EDIT Oh, and the chat about Van Veen is absolute nonsense. He had no intention of staying here... The window has been a disaster so far. Every player we have signed is substandard. The Arsenal loan player is the only bright spot. As I said months ago we were pissing money up the wall signing Paton and Obika and it's somehow only got worse. We are still 4 or 5 players short despite bringing in so many bodies. Transfers were the big question mark against Kettlewell and he's failed it at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 For me it's too early to assess the success of the window. Soare looks a decent player - he may just be out with a knock. Casey is a good player . He's one of the few players we should have resigned. Zdravkovski - give the lad time to settle. Suspect he'll be decent. Another Simo would be just great. Wilkinson - has a reasonable goals record. Again a bit of time needed to adjust to league but he could be ok. Mika - he looks far too good for our level but we get the chance to nurse him through and benefit for a season. I wouldn't have signed Paton, Obika or Bair for a mixture of reasons but time will tell. Suspect a couple more of our squad will move out , leaving way for a couple more signings. More premiership loanees please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 I'm not counting Casey because Hammell brought him to the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 minute ago, wellsince75 said: For me it's too early to assess the success of the window. Soare looks a decent player - he may just be out with a knock. Casey is a good player . He's one of the few players we should have resigned. Zdravkovski - give the lad time to settle. Suspect he'll be decent. Another Simo would be just great. Wilkinson - has a reasonable goals record. Again a bit of time needed to adjust to league but he could be ok. Mika - he looks far too good for our level but we get the chance to nurse him through and benefit for a season. I wouldn't have signed Paton, Obika or Bair for a mixture of reasons but time will tell. Suspect a couple more of our squad will move out , leaving way for a couple more signings. More premiership loanees please. Yes, I agree with your assessment. It is far far too early to write players or manger off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 12 hours ago, MelvinBragg said: The main problem with our business this summer is that pretty much every signing was a gamble. Before anyone jumps down my throat here, I know we tend not to sign "sure things" but last summer among other signings that were gambles we signed Paul McGinn and Blair Spittal, two players with track record at our level. Good post Greg. I quite get the need to reduce squad size and thats fine, but to bring in players with questionable injury and or playing records seems to be counterproductive and contradictory. Yes, of course we can't go out and sign dead certs we all know that. As things stand we need to ship out another 2, possibly, 4 players. In my view, we need 2 wing backs, another midfielder and another striker. We clearly don't have a preferred back up LWB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 2 hours ago, steelboy said: I'm not counting Casey because Hammell brought him to the club. fair point. SK has proven to be good at managing what he had. Keen to see if he can bring in better than what we had. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 Has Steven Fletcher been signed by anyone yet? If so then I really think we should be looking at giving him a contract. He might be 36 years old with a big greasy transplanted man-bun but he would be a better option than the majority of our current forward players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, MJC said: Has Steven Fletcher been signed by anyone yet? If so then I really think we should be looking at giving him a contract. He might be 36 years old with a big greasy transplanted man-bun but he would be a better option than the majority of our current forward players. A no from me. Early to form opinions about new players, but the alarm bells are starting to tinkle, not yet ring, for me about our strike options if Biereth has a long term injury or isn't available. The side badly lacks pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 hour ago, MJC said: Has Steven Fletcher been signed by anyone yet? If so then I really think we should be looking at giving him a contract. He might be 36 years old with a big greasy transplanted man-bun but he would be a better option than the majority of our current forward players. For me he would be worth a punt, a proven experienced goal scorer to play alongside Bair, Wilkinson or Biereth a 6 month deal with the option to extend if he does well. He might be looking for a lot more money than we could offer though, so that might be why he's not found a club yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coatsy Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 13 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: For me he would be worth a punt, a proven experienced goal scorer to play alongside Bair, Wilkinson or Biereth a 6 month deal with the option to extend if he does well. He might be looking for a lot more money than we could offer though, so that might be why he's not found a club yet. He was a roaring success at Dundee Utd last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 57 minutes ago, Coatsy said: He was a roaring success at Dundee Utd last season Aye 9 goals only 4 short of Wilkinsons season total and 8 more than Bair's with another 144 to his name over the years . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 Fletcher was interviewed the other week and said he has had a fair few offers but wants something that and I quote “gives him that buzz”. I shall leave the rest upto your good selves to come up with the answers why he has signed. Also I find it pretty alarming SK has signed a few players that are injured or have been out with serious long term injuries sounds a bit familiar with another former manager that signed a few that backfired greatly. If this forward line scores 20 plus between that shall be a good season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 Fletcher can wait until after the window closes for someone to throw money at him in a panic. Hopefully it's not us. I dont mind him, but I do mind how much he will cost. Also, I'm sure he looks after himself but we really need to bring in folk that have had a decent pre season and can play 90 mins from day 1. Wing backs are key. That's where we can add some pace to the side. We are missing Butcher, but I think we're missing pace more. Choosing an out of position mcginn over McGinley tells us everything we already knew there, he really needs to be gone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 Think big kev would have been difference at st mirren. Most of games we won last year due to his goals. Games were mostly in the balance. Unless we get a striker that can score we will draw these type of games or loose them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted August 21, 2023 Report Share Posted August 21, 2023 From the Record: 15:04 SCOTT BURNS Lamie could depart Steelmen Ricki Lamie (Image: SNS Group) Ricki Lamie could leave Motherwell before the close of the window. The experienced defender is attracting interest from the Scottish Premiership and lower leagues in England. Motherwell manager Stuart Kettlewell is reluctant to let Lamie go but knows he is at an age where he wants to be playing regular first-team football. The 30-year-old has found himself on the bench at Fir Park this season and that has sparked the interest from elsewhere. Motherwell could let Lamie go if that interest is hardened up over the last two weeks of the transfer window. Lamie has been at Motherwell since 2020 and signed a new deal last summer. Kettlewell has reshaped his squad on a shoestring this summer. He has previously admitted that he is unlikely to do any further business unless he can move other players on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzyB Posted August 21, 2023 Report Share Posted August 21, 2023 One thing Kettlewell has done better than any other manager I can think of is move players on that are under contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted August 21, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2023 2 hours ago, GazzyB said: One thing Kettlewell has done better than any other manager I can think of is move players on that are under contract. If only his recruitment skills were as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted August 21, 2023 Report Share Posted August 21, 2023 1 minute ago, David said: If only his recruitment skills were as good. Maybe they are, we don’t know yet. 3 forwards he signed have all scored in our first 2 league games. So have to look at the positive along with the negatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted August 21, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2023 30 minutes ago, texanwellfan said: Maybe they are, we don’t know yet. 3 forwards he signed have all scored in our first 2 league games. So have to look at the positive along with the negatives. Wilkinson looks decent enough, as does the young lad from Arsenal. The other two look terrible. A 50% clip isn't bad I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted August 21, 2023 Report Share Posted August 21, 2023 1 hour ago, David said: If only his recruitment skills were as good. I think it's still too early to make a judgement on his signings. They need time to settle. Admittedly only Biereth has made a good start but no reason why the others can't come good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted August 21, 2023 Report Share Posted August 21, 2023 Wenger said it takes 6 months for a new player to get up to full speed in a team, and that's if they move from the same league. If they come from a lower division or a different country, it can take longer. What he never said was to judge a new signing after 2 league games. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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