​🏆​SC Greenock Morton v Motherwell 09/02/2024

[wellfan]

2 minutes ago, Mad Dog said:

Buyabu is taking a lot of criticism on here but I thought that he did okay. Fired in a decent cross, tracked back, seems to be comfortable with the ball at his feet and quick too. Hopefully he can link up with Gent in a similar way to Montgomery.

He looked vastly out of his depth to me last night, but I did concede that he was dropped into a shit show. Perhaps a start and/or playing alongside Gent will see him step up. 

[Mortonhallwell]

42 minutes ago, Mad Dog said:

Don't really see your logic. Why not hope for a winnable home draw in the next round then face one of those Glasgow clubs in the semis or the final? Surely those are worth more to us financially.

What would you consider to be a winnable home draw? Just think Raith Rovers or Albion Rovers for example. After last night I wouldn't trust us against any level of opposition.

We are capable of delivering a poor performance against any team. 

[wellfan]

Just now, Mortonhallwell said:

What would you consider to be a winnable home draw? Just think Raith Rovers or Albion Rovers for example. After last night I wouldn't trust us against any level of opposition.

We are capable of delivering a poor performance against any team. 

This is exactly why we can’t finish in the playoff spot. This squad and manager are an entirely different (shittier?) beast to those in 2015. 

 

[FirParkCornerExile]

2 hours ago, gaz7 said:

Sounds easy but with the wind  how it was it makes it difficult. Surely you are aware of that . 

Morton managed it , it's really not that difficult and in many other games we've played the same hoofball when there is no wind at all, with the same pitiful outcomes.

[FirParkCornerExile]

1 hour ago, Mortonhallwell said:

What would you consider to be a winnable home draw? Just think Raith Rovers or Albion Rovers for example. After last night I wouldn't trust us against any level of opposition.

We are capable of delivering a poor performance against any team. 

So true , we are fair game at any level. I've seen the worst of the worst dick us. So far in my 46 years of watching insufferable shite the only saving grace is we've never drawn Darvel.

[FirParkCornerExile]

1 hour ago, wellfan said:

This is exactly why we can’t finish in the playoff spot. This squad and manager are an entirely different (shittier?) beast to those in 2015. 

 

I actually watched the 2015 play off games on YouTube the other night. The team we had would depose every single player in last night's team

Long, Law, Laing, McManus, Hammel, Ainsworth, Lasley , Pearson, Johnson,  McDonald, Erwin and John Sutton on of the subs.

[bobbybingo]

2 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

I actually watched the 2015 play off games on YouTube the other night. The team we had would depose every single player in last night's team

Long, Law, Laing, McManus, Hammel, Ainsworth, Lasley , Pearson, Johnson,  McDonald, Erwin and John Sutton on of the subs.

They would, but they still finished in the play-off spot. You could probably say the same about every team who were in the Premier then and now.

[FirParkCornerExile]

6 minutes ago, bobbybingo said:

They would, but they still finished in the play-off spot. You could probably say the same about every team who were in the Premier then and now.

You have a point that Motherwell play off team would probably be comfortably top six in this current league of dross.

[robsterwood]

Think we should have taken a gamble on getting van veen to get us through cup and another pay day. He's already got 1 assist as a sub. Starts today 

[FirParkCornerExile]

1 minute ago, robsterwood said:

Think we should have taken a gamble on getting van veen to get us through cup and another pay day. He's already got 1 assist as a sub. Starts today 

KVV would have stopped this dreadful goals we lost, scoring goals is not our biggest issue.

[bobbybingo]

1 minute ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

You have a point that Motherwell play off team would probably comfortably top six in this current league of cross.

I always suspected the players' attitude got us through that play-off rather than anything Baraclough did. Makes me wonder about their attitude in the games prior to that, right enough. Summed up by Ainsworth - very capable when he could be arsed.

This lot are undoubtedly of a lesser standard but their attitude's been pretty good in most matches, Dingwall and last night being obvious exceptions. Just need to hope they get over it sooner than we will.

[FirParkCornerExile]

18 minutes ago, bobbybingo said:

I always suspected the players' attitude got us through that play-off rather than anything Baraclough did. Makes me wonder about their attitude in the games prior to that, right enough. Summed up by Ainsworth - very capable when he could be arsed.

This lot are undoubtedly of a lesser standard but their attitude's been pretty good in most matches, Dingwall and last night being obvious exceptions. Just need to hope they get over it sooner than we will.

I'm over it already , No one could convince me that lot wouldn't fuck it up. Hence my Sky Bet certainty.

[steelboy]

39 minutes ago, bobbybingo said:

I always suspected the players' attitude got us through that play-off rather than anything Baraclough did.

We had better players 1-11 which got us through the playoff.

Their stinking attitude got us into the playoff.

[MJC]

42 minutes ago, bobbybingo said:

I always suspected the players' attitude got us through that play-off rather than anything Baraclough did. Makes me wonder about their attitude in the games prior to that, right enough. Summed up by Ainsworth - very capable when he could be arsed.

This lot are undoubtedly of a lesser standard but their attitude's been pretty good in most matches, Dingwall and last night being obvious exceptions. Just need to hope they get over it sooner than we will.

Stuart McCall being in the opposition dugout played a big part in us getting through the playoff too imo. A bigger bottle merchant in managing one off games you’ll struggle to find. Baraclough being an ‘outsider’ helped us greatly too.

[Great Balls of Shire]

2 hours ago, dmsd said:

It’s not Kelly’s fault are you blind Kelly hasn’t came off his line in 2 years for a high ball he is useless and that summed him up last night useless needs dropped and hope we don’t sign him for next season 

Did you read my post before commenting?

[AllyMax]

1 hour ago, robsterwood said:

Think we should have taken a gamble on getting van veen to get us through cup and another pay day. He's already got 1 assist as a sub. Starts today 

From the BBC commentary......

Van Veen barely seen

Kilmarnock 1-0 Cove Rangers

We haven't seen too much of Kilmarnock's big January signing on his first start for the club.

Maybe he's still hiding behind the post.

He's been subbed off.

The KVV that left us for Groningen is not the same KVV that signed for Killie. If we'd signed this overweight, unfit, anonymous KVV, you'd have been shouting that the board and the manager are incompetent for wasting money on a guy who won't be fit for half the remaining campaign.

 

[Richie]

He hot an assist for Watkins did he not?

[FirParkCornerExile]

Good comeback for Livingston 2-0 down away to Thistle beat them 3-2.  

[bobbybingo]

26 minutes ago, Richie said:

He hot an assist for Watkins did he not?

On Wednesday, yeah. 

[gaz7]

3 hours ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

Morton managed it , it's really not that difficult and in many other games we've played the same hoofball when there is no wind at all, with the same pitiful outcomes.

Well they didn't did they. They got ball forward quickly. And played on our inability to defend so fair play to them .if you think they passed us of park by getting ball down and passing round us I will disagree with you on that .

[MJC]

1 hour ago, AllyMax said:

From the BBC commentary......

Van Veen barely seen

Kilmarnock 1-0 Cove Rangers

We haven't seen too much of Kilmarnock's big January signing on his first start for the club.

Maybe he's still hiding behind the post.

He's been subbed off.

The KVV that left us for Groningen is not the same KVV that signed for Killie. If we'd signed this overweight, unfit, anonymous KVV, you'd have been shouting that the board and the manager are incompetent for wasting money on a guy who won't be fit for half the remaining campaign.

 

It’s a bit quick to be dismissing him like that, but, van Veen is a confidence player and as we’ve seen during his time with us when he is in the mood and his head is up then he can deliver big time. On the other hand we also know that he can be quite huffy and moody when things aren’t coming off for him. 
 

I genuinely think we got the best of him last season and he will struggle to replicate anything like that form again. Don’t get me wrong, he would be an improvement on our current striker options but he wouldn’t be the KvV that scored in eleven games in a row that we got from February til May last year. 

[Kmcalpin]

Despite Killie having more strikers than us; and playing a game less than us since KVV signed; and KVV being more unfit than Vale, he's already started and played more minutes than him. 

What does that tell us? SK was reluctant to rotate the squad despite being in an intense run of games. 

[bobbybingo]

12 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:

Despite Killie having more strikers than us; and playing a game less than us since KVV signed; and KVV being more unfit than Vale, he's already started and played more minutes than him. 

What does that tell us? SK was reluctant to rotate the squad despite being in an intense run of games. 

On the bright side, Vale's already scored two more goals than Van Veen. He definitely needs to be given his chance.

[FirParkCornerExile]

1 hour ago, gaz7 said:

Well they didn't did they. They got ball forward quickly. And played on our inability to defend so fair play to them .if you think they passed us of park by getting ball down and passing round us I will disagree with you on that .

They played the ball on the deck far more often than we did, unlike us they didn't continually resort to the hoof ball. Indeed for their second goal the ball never left the surface. I'm in no way suggesting Morton were a silky deck playing team but the played the ball on the surface more than we did. Every time SOD , Kelly,  Mugabi, Miller, or Butcher got the ball you knew it was going skywards. 

[mfc]

6 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

They played the ball on the deck far more often than we did, unlike us they didn't continually resort to the hoof ball. Indeed for their second goal the ball never left the surface. I'm in no way suggesting Morton were a silky deck playing team but the played the ball on the surface more than we did. Every time SOD , Kelly,  Miller, or Butcher got the ball you knew it was going skywards. 

I couldnt agree more,we all know the last thing you do is punt the ball all over the park when the wind is blowing all over the place so for paid  professionals to continually do it last night is mind boggling,add in the fact that we were punting it to bair who was never going to get any joy against there two centre halves and it makes it even worse.it actually looked like our tactic last night was give the ball to kelly as much as possible so he could hoof it forward and his distribution is dire,we couldn't have played into mortons hands anymore than we did and paid the ultimate price of being out the cup.