wellfan Posted February 10, 2024 Report Share Posted February 10, 2024 2 minutes ago, Mad Dog said: Buyabu is taking a lot of criticism on here but I thought that he did okay. Fired in a decent cross, tracked back, seems to be comfortable with the ball at his feet and quick too. Hopefully he can link up with Gent in a similar way to Montgomery. He looked vastly out of his depth to me last night, but I did concede that he was dropped into a shit show. Perhaps a start and/or playing alongside Gent will see him step up.ย Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortonhallwell Posted February 10, 2024 Report Share Posted February 10, 2024 42 minutes ago, Mad Dog said: Don't really see your logic. Why not hope for a winnable home draw in the next round then face one of those Glasgow clubs in the semis or the final? Surely those are worth more to us financially. What would you consider to be a winnable home draw? Just think Raith Rovers or Albion Rovers for example. After last night I wouldn't trust us against any level of opposition. We are capable of delivering a poor performance against any team.ย Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted February 10, 2024 Report Share Posted February 10, 2024 Just now, Mortonhallwell said: What would you consider to be a winnable home draw? Just think Raith Rovers or Albion Rovers for example. After last night I wouldn't trust us against any level of opposition. We are capable of delivering a poor performance against any team.ย This is exactly why we canโt finish in the playoff spot. This squad and manager are an entirely different (shittier?) beast to those in 2015.ย ย Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 10, 2024 Report Share Posted February 10, 2024 2 hours ago, gaz7 said: Sounds easy but with the windย how it was it makes it difficult. Surely you are aware of that .ย Morton managed it , it's really not that difficult and in many other games we've played the same hoofball when there is no wind at all, with the same pitiful outcomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 10, 2024 Report Share Posted February 10, 2024 1 hour ago, Mortonhallwell said: What would you consider to be a winnable home draw? Just think Raith Rovers or Albion Rovers for example. After last night I wouldn't trust us against any level of opposition. We are capable of delivering a poor performance against any team.ย So true , we are fair game at any level. I've seen the worst of the worst dick us. So far in my 46 years of watching insufferable shite the only saving grace is we've never drawn Darvel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 10, 2024 Report Share Posted February 10, 2024 1 hour ago, wellfan said: This is exactly why we canโt finish in the playoff spot. This squad and manager are an entirely different (shittier?) beast to those in 2015.ย ย I actually watched the 2015 play off games on YouTube the other night. The team we had would depose every single player in last night's team Long, Law, Laing, McManus, Hammel, Ainsworth, Lasley , Pearson, Johnson,ย McDonald, Erwin and John Sutton on of the subs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted February 10, 2024 Report Share Posted February 10, 2024 2 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: I actually watched the 2015 play off games on YouTube the other night. The team we had would depose every single player in last night's team Long, Law, Laing, McManus, Hammel, Ainsworth, Lasley , Pearson, Johnson,ย McDonald, Erwin and John Sutton on of the subs. They would, but they still finished in the play-off spot. You could probably say the same about every team who were in the Premier then and now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 10, 2024 Report Share Posted February 10, 2024 6 minutes ago, bobbybingo said: They would, but they still finished in the play-off spot. You could probably say the same about every team who were in the Premier then and now. You have a point that Motherwell play off team would probably be comfortably top six in this current league of dross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted February 10, 2024 Report Share Posted February 10, 2024 Think we should have taken a gamble on getting van veen to get us through cup and another pay day. He's already got 1 assist as a sub. Starts todayย Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 10, 2024 Report Share Posted February 10, 2024 1 minute ago, robsterwood said: Think we should have taken a gamble on getting van veen to get us through cup and another pay day. He's already got 1 assist as a sub. Starts todayย KVV would have stopped this dreadful goals we lost, scoring goals is not our biggest issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted February 10, 2024 Report Share Posted February 10, 2024 1 minute ago, FirParkCornerExile said: You have a point that Motherwell play off team would probably comfortably top six in this current league of cross. I always suspected the players' attitude got us through that play-off rather than anything Baraclough did. Makes me wonder about their attitude in the games prior to that, right enough. Summed up by Ainsworth - very capable when he could be arsed. This lot are undoubtedly of a lesser standard but their attitude's been pretty good in most matches, Dingwall and last night being obvious exceptions. Just need to hope they get over it sooner than we will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 10, 2024 Report Share Posted February 10, 2024 18 minutes ago, bobbybingo said: I always suspected the players' attitude got us through that play-off rather than anything Baraclough did. Makes me wonder about their attitude in the games prior to that, right enough. Summed up by Ainsworth - very capable when he could be arsed. This lot are undoubtedly of a lesser standard but their attitude's been pretty good in most matches, Dingwall and last night being obvious exceptions. Just need to hope they get over it sooner than we will. I'm over it already , No one could convince me that lot wouldn't fuck it up. Hence my Sky Bet certainty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted February 10, 2024 Report Share Posted February 10, 2024 39 minutes ago, bobbybingo said: I always suspected the players' attitude got us through that play-off rather than anything Baraclough did. We had better players 1-11 which got us through the playoff. Their stinking attitude got us into the playoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted February 10, 2024 Report Share Posted February 10, 2024 42 minutes ago, bobbybingo said: I always suspected the players' attitude got us through that play-off rather than anything Baraclough did. Makes me wonder about their attitude in the games prior to that, right enough. Summed up by Ainsworth - very capable when he could be arsed. This lot are undoubtedly of a lesser standard but their attitude's been pretty good in most matches, Dingwall and last night being obvious exceptions. Just need to hope they get over it sooner than we will. Stuart McCall being in the opposition dugout played a big part in us getting through the playoff too imo. A bigger bottle merchant in managing one off games youโll struggle to find. Baraclough being an โoutsiderโ helped us greatly too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Balls of Shire Posted February 10, 2024 Report Share Posted February 10, 2024 2 hours ago, dmsd said: Itโs not Kellyโs fault are you blind Kelly hasnโt came off his line in 2 years for a high ball he is useless and that summed him up last night useless needs dropped and hope we donโt sign him for next seasonย Did you read my post before commenting? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyMax Posted February 10, 2024 Report Share Posted February 10, 2024 1 hour ago, robsterwood said: Think we should have taken a gamble on getting van veen to get us through cup and another pay day. He's already got 1 assist as a sub. Starts todayย From the BBC commentary...... Van Veen barely seen Kilmarnock 1-0 Cove Rangers We haven't seen too much of Kilmarnock's big January signing on his first start for the club. Maybe he's still hiding behind the post. He's been subbed off. The KVV that left us for Groningen is not the same KVV that signed for Killie. If we'd signed this overweight, unfit, anonymous KVV, you'd have been shouting that the board and the manager are incompetent for wasting money on a guy who won't be fit for half the remaining campaign. ย 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted February 10, 2024 Report Share Posted February 10, 2024 He hot an assist for Watkins did he not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 10, 2024 Report Share Posted February 10, 2024 Good comeback for Livingston 2-0 down away to Thistle beat them 3-2.ย ย Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted February 10, 2024 Report Share Posted February 10, 2024 26 minutes ago, Richie said: He hot an assist for Watkins did he not? On Wednesday, yeah.ย Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz7 Posted February 10, 2024 Report Share Posted February 10, 2024 3 hours ago, FirParkCornerExile said: Morton managed it , it's really not that difficult and in many other games we've played the same hoofball when there is no wind at all, with the same pitiful outcomes. Well they didn't did they. They got ball forward quickly. And played on our inability to defend so fair play to them .if you think they passed us of park by getting ball down and passing round us I will disagree with you on that . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted February 10, 2024 Report Share Posted February 10, 2024 1 hour ago, AllyMax said: From the BBC commentary...... Van Veen barely seen Kilmarnock 1-0 Cove Rangers We haven't seen too much of Kilmarnock's big January signing on his first start for the club. Maybe he's still hiding behind the post. He's been subbed off. The KVV that left us for Groningen is not the same KVV that signed for Killie. If we'd signed this overweight, unfit, anonymous KVV, you'd have been shouting that the board and the manager are incompetent for wasting money on a guy who won't be fit for half the remaining campaign. ย Itโs a bit quick to be dismissing him like that, but, van Veen is a confidence player and as weโve seen during his time with us when he is in the mood and his head is up then he can deliver big time. On the other hand we also know that he can be quite huffy and moody when things arenโt coming off for him.ย ย I genuinely think we got the best of him last season and he will struggle to replicate anything like that form again. Donโt get me wrong, he would be an improvement on our current striker options but he wouldnโt be the KvV that scored in eleven games in a row that we got from February til May last year.ย Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted February 10, 2024 Report Share Posted February 10, 2024 Despite Killie having more strikers than us; and playing a game less than us since KVV signed; and KVV being more unfit than Vale, he's already started and played more minutes than him.ย What does that tell us? SK was reluctant to rotate the squad despite being in an intense run of games.ย Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted February 10, 2024 Report Share Posted February 10, 2024 12 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: Despite Killie having more strikers than us; and playing a game less than us since KVV signed; and KVV being more unfit than Vale, he's already started and played more minutes than him.ย What does that tell us? SK was reluctant to rotate the squad despite being in an intense run of games.ย On the bright side, Vale's already scored two more goals than Van Veen. He definitely needs to be given his chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted February 10, 2024 Report Share Posted February 10, 2024 1 hour ago, gaz7 said: Well they didn't did they. They got ball forward quickly. And played on our inability to defend so fair play to them .if you think they passed us of park by getting ball down and passing round us I will disagree with you on that . They played the ball on the deck far more often than we did, unlike us they didn't continually resort to the hoof ball. Indeed for their second goal the ball never left the surface. I'm in no way suggesting Morton were a silky deck playing team but the played the ball on the surface more than we did. Every time SOD , Kelly,ย Mugabi, Miller, or Butcher got the ball you knew it was going skywards.ย Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted February 10, 2024 Report Share Posted February 10, 2024 6 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: They played the ball on the deck far more often than we did, unlike us they didn't continually resort to the hoof ball. Indeed for their second goal the ball never left the surface. I'm in no way suggesting Morton were a silky deck playing team but the played the ball on the surface more than we did. Every time SOD , Kelly,ย Miller, or Butcher got the ball you knew it was going skywards.ย I couldnt agree more,we all know the last thing you do is punt the ball all over the park when the wind is blowing all over the place so for paidย professionals to continually do it last night is mind boggling,add in the fact that we were punting it to bair who was never going to get any joy against there two centre halves and it makes it even worse.it actually looked like our tactic last night was give the ball to kelly as much as possible so he could hoof it forward and his distribution is dire,we couldn't have played into mortons hands anymore than we did and paid the ultimate price of being out the cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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