Well Society Board Election's 2024

[santheman]

Everyone's entitled to hold their own political and social views and as long as they post them on their own social media accounts and not on anything related to the club I'm fine with it.

I do understand however why some people might have reservations about someone with official connections to the club voicing what they consider to be controversial views.

Depends what side of the fence you're on I suppose.

At the end of the day he's a Motherwell fan and has worked tirelessly for the Well Society and that's what counts for me.

[GawnUpBy?]

1 hour ago, GS78 said:

Don't think there is any need for foul language, surely we are adults and can behave like adults?

Isn’t it ironic? Don’t you think. 

[Busta Nut]

I saw @Dee's social media posting. I saw he had murals and pics of both sides of the coin. 

Do you know what I thought of that? Nothing, I'm a grown up. 


FWIW politics is involved in everything we do. Football or otherwise.
 

[Kmcalpin]

10 minutes ago, santheman said:

Everyone's entitled to hold their own political and social views and as long as they post them on their own social media accounts and not on anything related to the club I'm fine with it.

I do understand however why some people might have reservations about someone with official connections to the club voicing what might be  considered controversial views.

Depends what side of the fence you're on I suppose.

This is where I am too. Personally  I couldn't care less what political views someone holds, providing it doesn't directly impact on any aspects of the club. The problem most commonly arises when someone holds far left or right views, which aren't necessarily wrong per se. For that reason, the club and Society should have some boundaries in place. This ensures consistency and everyone knows where they stand. All that said, posts which promote sectarianism, racism, terrorism, misogyny and misandry etc should not be acceptable - common sense really. 

If Derek has posted images showing both sides as part of a tour (I don't use Instagram so I hadn't seen them)  then that's fine by me. 

[Electric Blues]

2 hours ago, ML1 said:

Derek is a bell end 

1 hour ago, ML1 said:

potty mouth

Aye, very good. Don't let the door hit you on the arse on your way out.

2 hours ago, GS78 said:

After consideration, myself and others have removed/cancelled our WS memberships as from today.

See above.

[Stuwell2]

2 hours ago, GS78 said:

After consideration, myself and others have removed/cancelled our WS memberships…….

New member, did you just join to post that?

Petty rage and indignation is not a good look mate - please cancel your membership here if that’s going to be your level of posting 
 

PS, I was in Belfast for a punk concert at the weekend, took the bus tour (and some pictures), have left wing socialist views, don’t like sanctimonious folk and general bawbags  - if I was inclined to stand for the WS board would that make me an unsuitable candidate?

[wellfan]

Nice to see a couple of bigots have outed themselves tonight. Keep up the good work, Derek. 

[dennyc]

2 hours ago, GS78 said:

After consideration, myself and others have removed/cancelled our WS memberships as from today.

We will continue to support the club in other ways but can no longer support the WS when elected members such as Derek are expressing deep political views on well known social media platforms that don't represent and promote our club in good light. 

 

 

 

I'll ask the obvious question then.

Given that you seem to have been selective in the photos you chose to post, could you clarify whether you and your pals would have reacted similarly had he posted photos only representing the other side of the divide? And why did you not show those other ones?

The answer to those questions might tell us more about you and your mates than it does about Derek. 

 

[Kmcalpin]

22 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

Would I vote for a well society board member who was very right wing? No. But other people might - the point is you only know someone's views when they express them 

There has to be an argument that people can post their own views on their own socials without it being linked to Motherwell football club - or you'll get to a point where people don't stand for election 

People shouldn't have to be apolitical to be a well society board member 

Also - if people really do think football and politics dont mix then why do our club and other clubs do toy drives and food bank collections? That all comes from politics - whether we like it or not. 

Whilst I agree with a fair bit of your post, I don't agree that politics and football should mix. Can I ask if you'd vote for a "right wing" candidate who posted their legal, as opposed to illegal, views online, if they didn't let them affect their Society work/views and would do a good job or has done a good job for the Society? Personally, I couldn't give a toss what someone's politics are, providing they're legal and they don't let them affect any Society/club work. In such a case, like Derek, its what they have done for the Society or would do for the Society that would determine my vote.   

Toy drives and food banks? For some it might be political but for others, like me, its never entered my head. No ulterior motives. It just seems like a good thing to do; no more no less.   

[du_du_dubordeaux]

Listen I’ve seen in Derek’s living room window. He’s got a tricolour rug right in front of the tele. Enough is enough. 

[Cameron_Mcd]

Just one contribution from me, Nick Mackie has run for the Well Society board twice and works with the MFC Heritage, he works for a Tory MSP, have the people having a hissy fit over DW's Instagram ever mentioned that or is their outrage only for the stuff they disagree with? 

[steelboy]

2 hours ago, Dee said:

 

If we’re going to talk about club representatives being political; Jim McMahon appeared on BBC Question Time (or maybe it was Debate Night) whilst he was in the role. He was also pictured campaigning for Scottish Labour whilst Chairman

 

Andrew Wilson as well. 

[Kmcalpin]

4 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

Yeah. I would vote for someone whose politics were completely opposed to mine as long as they weren't a fascist. There's a line I would draw. 

We're in agreement then that political views wouldn't enter into our voting intention, providing they didn't influence Society business and weren't illegal. 

[Stuwell2]

15 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:

Whilst I agree with a fair bit of your post, I don't agree that politics and football should mix. Can I ask if you'd vote for a "right wing" candidate who posted their legal, as opposed to illegal, views online, if they didn't let them affect their Society work/views and would do a good job or has done a good job for the Society? Personally, I couldn't give a toss what someone's politics are, providing they're legal and they don't let them affect any Society/club work. In such a case, like Derek, its what they have done for the Society or would do for the Society that would determine my vote.   

Toy drives and food banks? For some it might be political but for others, like me, its never entered my head. No ulterior motives. It just seems like a good thing to do; no more no less.   

Agree 100% with your views re political leanings of potential board members but sadly the need for drives is a political issue. 

[weeyin]

I'd argue that Les Hutchison saved out club and helped structure it for a healthy future; and I'll always be grateful for that.

I'm 100% sure his politics are very different from mine.

[0Neils40yarder]

49 minutes ago, weeyin said:

I'd argue that Les Hutchison saved out club and helped structure it for a healthy future; and I'll always be grateful for that.

I'm 100% sure his politics are very different from mine.

Hmm...what makes you say that?

[fizoxy]

1 hour ago, wellgirl said:

I voted for you and honestly I really hope a lot of consideration is given to how we can engage fans from the US. 

Agreed. I joined one of the workstreams and found that I couldn't commit to the times (my problem, not theirs), would be cool to have a US based thing. I also would like to get on the radio show and see how long it would take Sirius to ban me.

[MWellChilders]

1 hour ago, wellgirl said:

I voted for you and honestly I really hope a lot of consideration is given to how we can engage fans from the US. 

Thank you for the vote!!

[David]

When people say that we should tap into the US market, how do they propose we do that? And also, unless there's a family connection to the club, why would anyone from the US really be interested in Motherwell? Sure, there are soccer fans in North America, but they all have their own local clubs, and like the rest of the world, outside of that they have plenty of ways to access the English Premier League etc.

It would be like a US team along the lines of Syracuse FC, FC MIlwaukee, or the Minnesota Blizzard looking to tap into the British market. Why would anyone here give a toss about those clubs?

[Kmcalpin]

No reason not to try David. We have a few fans in North America and 2 candidates there who have something to offer. If they're up for it  let's get them on board. At worst, what harm would it do? 

[Spiderpig]

41 minutes ago, David said:

When people say that we should tap into the US market, how do they propose we do that? And also, unless there's a family connection to the club, why would anyone from the US really be interested in Motherwell? Sure, there are soccer fans in North America, but they all have their own local clubs, and like the rest of the world, outside of that they have plenty of ways to access the English Premier League etc.

It would be like a US team along the lines of Syracuse FC, FC MIlwaukee, or the Minnesota Blizzard looking to tap into the British market. Why would anyone here give a toss about those clubs?

Agreed, we have enough homegrown issues with the club, playing squad, stadium facilities, improving the fan experience etc, etc to sort out first.

Can anyone really see Motherwell FC becoming a global brand, that was the bulshit we got from Barmack when he tried to get control of the club for feck all.

 

[Yassin]

I'd be quite surprised if many apolitical folk are running to be democratically elected representatives of a fan ownership organisation?

[MWellChilders]

51 minutes ago, David said:

When people say that we should tap into the US market, how do they propose we do that? And also, unless there's a family connection to the club, why would anyone from the US really be interested in Motherwell? Sure, there are soccer fans in North America, but they all have their own local clubs, and like the rest of the world, outside of that they have plenty of ways to access the English Premier League etc.

It would be like a US team along the lines of Syracuse FC, FC MIlwaukee, or the Minnesota Blizzard looking to tap into the British market. Why would anyone here give a toss about those clubs?

You may be right and I may fail in my efforts. And yes, I think it would have likely failed in the past but good ole Hollywood has opened up the portal. Nobody cared about Wrexham either and look at them now. Reynolds and McElhiney's show about Wrexham opened Americans eyes to the concept of fan ownership. Outside of Green Bay Packers, which is kind of sort of fan owned, the concept has been foreign to most americans. Trust me when I say I believe people would absolutley love the chance to say the own part of soccer club, especially a society that grants voting rights and allows involvement.  

[MWellChilders]

1 hour ago, fizoxy said:

Agreed. I joined one of the workstreams and found that I couldn't commit to the times (my problem, not theirs), would be cool to have a US based thing. I also would like to get on the radio show and see how long it would take Sirius to ban me.

Where you at in Tennessee?

[santheman]

1 minute ago, MWellChilders said:

You may be right and I may fail in my efforts. And yes, I think it would have likely failed in the past but good ole Hollywood has opened up the portal. Nobody cared about Wrexham either and look at them now. Reynolds and McElhiney's show about Wrexham opened Americans eyes to the concept of fan ownership. Outside of Green Bay Packers, which is kind of sort of fan owned, the concept has been foreign to most americans. Trust me when I say I believe people would absolutley love the chance to say the own part of soccer club, especially a society that grants voting rights and allows involvement.  

Real Oviedad from Spain did that a few seasons ago which basically saved their club from going to the wall.

I still have my share certificate somewhere.