Michael Wimmer Discussion Thread

[twistandshout1983]

I genuinely wish Michael Wimmer all the best 

In those 3 months he only had positive things to say about the club and the fans unlike that last guy 

[twistandshout1983]

1 hour ago, wunderwell said:

I'd really be sounding out Ahmet now - to continue what we had started.

Time would be on our side to get recruits in. Players know him and presuming they like him.

I would be open for Ahmet to stay on providing he wanted to

My gut feeling is though he will be leaving also

[Kmcalpin]

2 hours ago, fizoxy said:

We have a head of recruitment, coaching staff, and a CEO, amongst others, to keep things moving. Rushing a decision now could cause irreparable damage. The same due diligence should be put in to every appointment regardless ofnthe situation.

We can't do anything about the manager leaving, but we can control not messing up the next steps.

This is where I'm at.

I simply don't know what to make of today's announcement. All I know is that there's more to this than the official statement. Its fair to say that moving abroad for work away from your family is a big decision and MW would have known this when he accepted our job. Previously he'd also expressed an interest in the Bristol Rovers vacancy. That said, I know nothing of his personal circumstances. From P & B it seems that the vacancy he's filling first occurred about 2 weeks ago. It may well be that he was unsettled before that, I don't know. It does seem strange though that he applied for or was approached for the job and landed it in a day or two. All thats as may be.  He's gone and we very quickly agreed compensation. I'd like to know though when the club first learnt of his unrest. If it was a week or two ago you'd think that we'd begun preparations for this eventuality.

Where does that leave us? Some good posts on P & B about this. The timing is not ideal but when is? I don't know when pre season starts, but would like to think we'll have a new man in place a few days beforehand.  However, we're in a relatively good position. We're financially sound; our Premiership place is safe for another season; Lennon Miller's departure should earn us a few quid; the transfer window opens in a good few weeks time; and the squad doesn't need a complete overhaul.  

Brian Caldwell is in post to take care of administrative matters and Nick Daws will know of the types of player we're looking to bring in and individuals we're tracking or to whom we're talking to. The release list will have been finalised and players spoken to. I get that holidays may disrupt the search for a new man. But, yes, things should be moving along. 

As for replacements? None of the names being bandied about for vacancies in Kilmarnock or Dundee enthuse me. There is no standout candidate; just recycled names from the old boys club. We need to take our time and undertake due diligence (this time) but have someone in place a week before pre season. 

 

[AllyMax]

4 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:

This is where I'm at.

I simply don't know what to make of today's announcement. All I know is that there's more to this than the official statement. Its fair to say that moving abroad for work away from your family is a big decision and MW would have known this when he accepted our job. Previously he'd also expressed an interest in the Bristol Rovers vacancy. That said, I know nothing of his personal circumstances. From P & B it seems that the vacancy he's filling first occurred about 2 weeks ago. It may well be that he was unsettled before that, I don't know. It does seem strange though that he applied or was approached for the job and landed it in a day or two. All thats as may be.  He's gone and we very quickly agreed compensation. I'd like to know though when the club first learnt of his unrest. If it was a week or two ago you'd think that we'd begun preparations for this eventuality.

Where does that leave us? Some good posts on P & B about this. The timing is not ideal but when is? I don't know when pre season starts, but would like to think we'll have a new man in place a few days beforehand.  However, we're in a relatively good position. We're financially sound; our Premiership place is safe for another season; Lennon Miller's departure should earn us a few quid; the transfer window opens in a good few weeks time; and the squad doesn't need a complete overhaul.  

Brian Caldwell is in post to take care of administrative matters and Nick Daws will know of the types of player we're looking to bring in and individuals we're tracking or to whom we'r'e talking to. The release list will have been finalised and players spoken to. I get that holidays may disrupt the search for a new man. But, yes, things should be moving along. 

As for replacements? None of the names being bandied about for vacancies in Kilmarnock or Dundee enthuse me. There is no standout candidate; just recycled names from the old boys club. We need to take our time and undertake due diligence (this time) but have someone in place a week before pre season. 

 

Good post generally. Only issue I see is that I'd assume Daws has known for years the type of players we need, but has in general had a very low hit rate of outstanding to dross. We really need to avoid another January window of signing 16 players that won't play because we're shitting it from relegation.

[The African]

Genuinely very sorry to see Michael Wimmer leave. I believe his appointment was a bold and positive move by the club and there were signs that it may have worked out well for us. I liked the way that he seemed to want us to play and he came across as a very decent man.

The circumstances of his departure have been explained to us and seem both reasonable and understandable. As such, I can only wish MW all the best for the future, especially with any family issues, and thank him for his efforts in keeping us in the top division.

[FirParkCornerExile]

2 hours ago, twistandshout1983 said:

I genuinely wish Michael Wimmer all the best 

In those 3 months he only had positive things to say about the club and the fans unlike that last guy 

I couldn't give two fucks about him, he's an ex manager whose uproven whether he was any good in Scotland and has left us in the lurch. 

[twistandshout1983]

42 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

I couldn't give two fucks about him, he's an ex manager whose uproven whether he was any good in Scotland and has left us in the lurch. 

Bit harsh , if I am honest but each to their own opinion

 

[twistandshout1983]

57 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

I couldn't give two fucks about him, he's an ex manager whose uproven whether he was any good in Scotland and has left us in the lurch. 

Bit harsh , if I am honest but each to their own opinion

 

[MFCL84]

11 hours ago, Kmcalpin said:

Nick Daws will know of the types of player we're looking to bring in and individuals we're tracking or to whom we're talking to.

I don't agree with this. Surely, the manager will dictate the type of players that are needed and will have to become familiar with the squad before any instructions are passed to the recruitment team. Swimmer said during a few interviews that he had to compromise his approach because the players at his disposal  couldn't execute his style of football. Recruiting before the new manager is in place and understands the abilities of the squad would be a serious error. Recruitment will now have to be late in the window.

[Kmcalpin]

1 minute ago, MFCL84 said:

Surely, the manager will dictate the type of players that are needed and will have to become familiar with the squad before any instructions are passed to the recruitment team. Swimmer said during a few interviews that he had to compromise his approach because the players at his disposal  couldn't execute his style of football. Recruiting before the new manager is in place and understands the abilities of the squad would be a serious error. Recruitment will now have to be late in the window.

Yes. Michael Wimmer will have identified the number and types of player required, and maybe even specific individuals. That was his domain.  He will then have passed that information to Nick Daws and tasked him with researching that requirement and progressing it up to a point. This will have been going on a few months. In short, Nick Daws, and maybe others at the club, will have a good handle on what has been going on and on recruitment planning. I'd expect us to appoint a new manager in the next 3 weeks or so and before pre season and before the window opens. The new man will already have an idea of how we've played and our shortcomings i.e. defensive frailties, powder puff attack and injuries. He'll then have to apply his own preferences and check that against Nick Daw's advice on what has been done. No players can be signed until July although some may have signed PCAs. I very much doubt that any new manager will completely rip up what has already been planned for months, although he may adjust it. 

My last word on Michael Wimmer. He did seem a decent sort of guy. I'm unsure from the official press statement however, whether Regensburg asked permission to speak to him. It only says that he informed us, after the final game, last Sunday, that he would taking up the post in Germany. If the club did know about this before Sunday then you'd expect our recruitment process to have begun before yesterday.       

[Orinoco]

Staff come and go at our football club. Some sooner than we would have liked. We go on as always.

Modern football is a farce.

[Big Stall]

10 hours ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

I couldn't give two fucks about him, he's an ex manager whose uproven whether he was any good in Scotland and has left us in the lurch. 

Leaving in mid May isnt leaving us in the lurch. If he left in July then we would be fucked

[star sail]

It is a real shame to hear that Wimmer has gone. I was looking forward with some optimism to the new season for the first time in what feels like many years.

It is both a surprise and not. You only have to look back six weeks ago on this thread to see us debate this very possibly.

The conversation started at the time after a defeat (was it Aberdeen?) when he had that familiar thousand yard stare of Motherwell managers past as if it had finally dawned on him how limited the squad was in it's potential. 

My guess is that he did not really know what he was walking into with Scottish football (or at least a club with Motherwell's financial limitations) and that he started considering his exit around that time.

My other wild unsubstantiated hunch ( that is what football forums are for) is that he had a half hearted attempt to promote himself for the Hearts manager just before we played them. 'Great club, great stadium, great fans' made him sound like MJC had written his script in the pre-match interview before the Hearts game. The only thing missing was to predict a Motherwell defeat so it was not an MJC prepared presser.

The real reason for his departure will probably be a blend of personal and professional reasons. 

Like every Motherwell manager that has gone before him over the last 30 years he has contributed significantly to Motherwell's proud Premier League status.

He left us in a better position than when he arrived. So thank you MW. Seemed like a really decent guy and I wish him all the best for the future.

 

[FirParkCornerExile]

1 hour ago, Big Stall said:

Leaving in mid May isnt leaving us in the lurch. If he left in July then we would be fucked

We will just need to agree to disagree, I think it does, preparation for a new season doesn't just start in June. By the time we get someone in the door its likely to be mid June. He will know fuck all about the squad  he inherited so  has limited time to assess the options before he may need to head into the transfer market and the season starts in July. 

Our only saving grace is Dundee and Kilmarnock are in the same position. 

 

[wellon]

1 hour ago, Kmcalpin said:

Yes. Michael Wimmer will have identified the number and types of player required, and maybe even specific individuals. That was his domain.  He will then have passed that information to Nick Daws and tasked him with researching that requirement and progressing it up to a point. This will have been going on a few months. In short, Nick Daws, and maybe others at the club, will have a good handle on what has been going on and on recruitment planning. I'd expect us to appoint a new manager in the next 3 weeks or so and before pre season and before the window opens. The new man will already have an idea of how we've played and our shortcomings i.e. defensive frailties, powder puff attack and injuries. He'll then have to apply his own preferences and check that against Nick Daw's advice on what has been done. No players can be signed until July although some may have signed PCAs. I very much doubt that any new manager will completely rip up what has already been planned for months, although he may adjust it. 

My last word on Michael Wimmer. He did seem a decent sort of guy. I'm unsure from the official press statement however, whether Regensburg asked permission to speak to him. It only says that he informed us, after the final game, last Sunday, that he would taking up the post in Germany. If the club did know about this before Sunday then you'd expect our recruitment process to have begun before yesterday.       

Nick Daws comes in gor a lot of abuse on here, I'm sure most people couldn't pick him out in the street or have an idea what he does.

He doesn't sign the players,  that's the managers, he has come up with a few good ones too including Slattery who might be the next one to make us money.

Unless MW has tidied things up,  a boss sooner than Later would be preferable. 

Is there a list of released players yet?

[grizzlyg]

11 hours ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

I couldn't give two fucks about him, he's an ex manager whose uproven whether he was any good in Scotland and has left us in the lurch. 

Harsh but just my view,, everyone has their own take on it

[wellfan]

2 hours ago, Kmcalpin said:

Michael Wimmer will have identified the number and types of player required, and maybe even specific individuals. That was his domain.  He will then have passed that information to Nick Daws and tasked him with researching that requirement and progressing it up to a point. This will have been going on a few months. In short, Nick Daws, and maybe others at the club, will have a good handle on what has been going on and on recruitment planning.

This is where I’ve got concerns. If, like some suggest, he’s been working his ticket for the past few weeks, with his end goal of leaving the club having already been decided in his head, then how much of his talk and action on squad preparation and recruitment for next season have just been him paying lip service? Was his heart in it? Etc etc.

He’s not fully left us in the lurch per se. However, we now have to recruit a new manager and several new players, but who knows in what order that will now happen. With safety secured, it could still easily be argued that we’re now in a pretty weak place when it comes to getting things right for the next two seasons, at least. Dundee and Killie are probably in a similar place, but less so given different contexts.

That said, this summer is going to be helluva exciting on the forums now. Almost Barmackesque. 

[wellsince75]

6 minutes ago, wellfan said:

This is where I’ve got concerns. If, like some suggest, he’s been working his ticket for the past few weeks, with his end goal of leaving the club having already been decided in his head, then how much of his talk and action on squad preparation and recruitment for next season have just been him paying lip service? Was his heart in it? Etc etc.

He’s not fully left us in the lurch per se. However, we now have to recruit a new manager and several new players, but who knows in what order that will now happen. With safety secured, it could still easily be argued that we’re now in a pretty weak place when it comes to getting things right for the next two seasons, at least. Dundee and Killie are probably in a similar place, but less so given different contexts.

That said, this summer is going to be helluva exciting on the forums now. Almost Barmackesque. 

Agree with you re not being in the lurch .
 

it now makes a bit more sense why several old the old guard have been retained - with another change of manager we have the likes of Halliday , sod , McGinn  and also retained likes of sparrow , slattery and I’m hopeful seddon. 
 

hopefully we have a new gaffer in place soon.