twistandshout1983 Posted Friday at 08:01 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 08:01 PM I genuinely wish Michael Wimmer all the best In those 3 months he only had positive things to say about the club and the fans unlike that last guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistandshout1983 Posted Friday at 08:04 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 08:04 PM 1 hour ago, wunderwell said: I'd really be sounding out Ahmet now - to continue what we had started. Time would be on our side to get recruits in. Players know him and presuming they like him. I would be open for Ahmet to stay on providing he wanted to My gut feeling is though he will be leaving also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted Friday at 08:38 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 08:38 PM 2 hours ago, fizoxy said: We have a head of recruitment, coaching staff, and a CEO, amongst others, to keep things moving. Rushing a decision now could cause irreparable damage. The same due diligence should be put in to every appointment regardless ofnthe situation. We can't do anything about the manager leaving, but we can control not messing up the next steps. This is where I'm at. I simply don't know what to make of today's announcement. All I know is that there's more to this than the official statement. Its fair to say that moving abroad for work away from your family is a big decision and MW would have known this when he accepted our job. Previously he'd also expressed an interest in the Bristol Rovers vacancy. That said, I know nothing of his personal circumstances. From P & B it seems that the vacancy he's filling first occurred about 2 weeks ago. It may well be that he was unsettled before that, I don't know. It does seem strange though that he applied for or was approached for the job and landed it in a day or two. All thats as may be. He's gone and we very quickly agreed compensation. I'd like to know though when the club first learnt of his unrest. If it was a week or two ago you'd think that we'd begun preparations for this eventuality. Where does that leave us? Some good posts on P & B about this. The timing is not ideal but when is? I don't know when pre season starts, but would like to think we'll have a new man in place a few days beforehand. However, we're in a relatively good position. We're financially sound; our Premiership place is safe for another season; Lennon Miller's departure should earn us a few quid; the transfer window opens in a good few weeks time; and the squad doesn't need a complete overhaul. Brian Caldwell is in post to take care of administrative matters and Nick Daws will know of the types of player we're looking to bring in and individuals we're tracking or to whom we're talking to. The release list will have been finalised and players spoken to. I get that holidays may disrupt the search for a new man. But, yes, things should be moving along. As for replacements? None of the names being bandied about for vacancies in Kilmarnock or Dundee enthuse me. There is no standout candidate; just recycled names from the old boys club. We need to take our time and undertake due diligence (this time) but have someone in place a week before pre season. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyMax Posted Friday at 08:44 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 08:44 PM 4 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: This is where I'm at. I simply don't know what to make of today's announcement. All I know is that there's more to this than the official statement. Its fair to say that moving abroad for work away from your family is a big decision and MW would have known this when he accepted our job. Previously he'd also expressed an interest in the Bristol Rovers vacancy. That said, I know nothing of his personal circumstances. From P & B it seems that the vacancy he's filling first occurred about 2 weeks ago. It may well be that he was unsettled before that, I don't know. It does seem strange though that he applied or was approached for the job and landed it in a day or two. All thats as may be. He's gone and we very quickly agreed compensation. I'd like to know though when the club first learnt of his unrest. If it was a week or two ago you'd think that we'd begun preparations for this eventuality. Where does that leave us? Some good posts on P & B about this. The timing is not ideal but when is? I don't know when pre season starts, but would like to think we'll have a new man in place a few days beforehand. However, we're in a relatively good position. We're financially sound; our Premiership place is safe for another season; Lennon Miller's departure should earn us a few quid; the transfer window opens in a good few weeks time; and the squad doesn't need a complete overhaul. Brian Caldwell is in post to take care of administrative matters and Nick Daws will know of the types of player we're looking to bring in and individuals we're tracking or to whom we'r'e talking to. The release list will have been finalised and players spoken to. I get that holidays may disrupt the search for a new man. But, yes, things should be moving along. As for replacements? None of the names being bandied about for vacancies in Kilmarnock or Dundee enthuse me. There is no standout candidate; just recycled names from the old boys club. We need to take our time and undertake due diligence (this time) but have someone in place a week before pre season. Good post generally. Only issue I see is that I'd assume Daws has known for years the type of players we need, but has in general had a very low hit rate of outstanding to dross. We really need to avoid another January window of signing 16 players that won't play because we're shitting it from relegation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The African Posted Friday at 10:03 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 10:03 PM Genuinely very sorry to see Michael Wimmer leave. I believe his appointment was a bold and positive move by the club and there were signs that it may have worked out well for us. I liked the way that he seemed to want us to play and he came across as a very decent man. The circumstances of his departure have been explained to us and seem both reasonable and understandable. As such, I can only wish MW all the best for the future, especially with any family issues, and thank him for his efforts in keeping us in the top division. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted Friday at 10:04 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 10:04 PM 2 hours ago, twistandshout1983 said: I genuinely wish Michael Wimmer all the best In those 3 months he only had positive things to say about the club and the fans unlike that last guy I couldn't give two fucks about him, he's an ex manager whose uproven whether he was any good in Scotland and has left us in the lurch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistandshout1983 Posted Friday at 11:01 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 11:01 PM 42 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: I couldn't give two fucks about him, he's an ex manager whose uproven whether he was any good in Scotland and has left us in the lurch. Bit harsh , if I am honest but each to their own opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistandshout1983 Posted Friday at 11:03 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 11:03 PM 57 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: I couldn't give two fucks about him, he's an ex manager whose uproven whether he was any good in Scotland and has left us in the lurch. Bit harsh , if I am honest but each to their own opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFCL84 Posted yesterday at 07:55 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 07:55 AM 11 hours ago, Kmcalpin said: Nick Daws will know of the types of player we're looking to bring in and individuals we're tracking or to whom we're talking to. I don't agree with this. Surely, the manager will dictate the type of players that are needed and will have to become familiar with the squad before any instructions are passed to the recruitment team. Swimmer said during a few interviews that he had to compromise his approach because the players at his disposal couldn't execute his style of football. Recruiting before the new manager is in place and understands the abilities of the squad would be a serious error. Recruitment will now have to be late in the window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted yesterday at 08:12 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 08:12 AM 1 minute ago, MFCL84 said: Surely, the manager will dictate the type of players that are needed and will have to become familiar with the squad before any instructions are passed to the recruitment team. Swimmer said during a few interviews that he had to compromise his approach because the players at his disposal couldn't execute his style of football. Recruiting before the new manager is in place and understands the abilities of the squad would be a serious error. Recruitment will now have to be late in the window. Yes. Michael Wimmer will have identified the number and types of player required, and maybe even specific individuals. That was his domain. He will then have passed that information to Nick Daws and tasked him with researching that requirement and progressing it up to a point. This will have been going on a few months. In short, Nick Daws, and maybe others at the club, will have a good handle on what has been going on and on recruitment planning. I'd expect us to appoint a new manager in the next 3 weeks or so and before pre season and before the window opens. The new man will already have an idea of how we've played and our shortcomings i.e. defensive frailties, powder puff attack and injuries. He'll then have to apply his own preferences and check that against Nick Daw's advice on what has been done. No players can be signed until July although some may have signed PCAs. I very much doubt that any new manager will completely rip up what has already been planned for months, although he may adjust it. My last word on Michael Wimmer. He did seem a decent sort of guy. I'm unsure from the official press statement however, whether Regensburg asked permission to speak to him. It only says that he informed us, after the final game, last Sunday, that he would taking up the post in Germany. If the club did know about this before Sunday then you'd expect our recruitment process to have begun before yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orinoco Posted yesterday at 08:19 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 08:19 AM Staff come and go at our football club. Some sooner than we would have liked. We go on as always. Modern football is a farce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted yesterday at 08:20 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 08:20 AM 10 hours ago, FirParkCornerExile said: I couldn't give two fucks about him, he's an ex manager whose uproven whether he was any good in Scotland and has left us in the lurch. Leaving in mid May isnt leaving us in the lurch. If he left in July then we would be fucked 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star sail Posted yesterday at 08:23 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 08:23 AM It is a real shame to hear that Wimmer has gone. I was looking forward with some optimism to the new season for the first time in what feels like many years. It is both a surprise and not. You only have to look back six weeks ago on this thread to see us debate this very possibly. The conversation started at the time after a defeat (was it Aberdeen?) when he had that familiar thousand yard stare of Motherwell managers past as if it had finally dawned on him how limited the squad was in it's potential. My guess is that he did not really know what he was walking into with Scottish football (or at least a club with Motherwell's financial limitations) and that he started considering his exit around that time. My other wild unsubstantiated hunch ( that is what football forums are for) is that he had a half hearted attempt to promote himself for the Hearts manager just before we played them. 'Great club, great stadium, great fans' made him sound like MJC had written his script in the pre-match interview before the Hearts game. The only thing missing was to predict a Motherwell defeat so it was not an MJC prepared presser. The real reason for his departure will probably be a blend of personal and professional reasons. Like every Motherwell manager that has gone before him over the last 30 years he has contributed significantly to Motherwell's proud Premier League status. He left us in a better position than when he arrived. So thank you MW. Seemed like a really decent guy and I wish him all the best for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted yesterday at 09:23 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 09:23 AM 1 hour ago, Big Stall said: Leaving in mid May isnt leaving us in the lurch. If he left in July then we would be fucked We will just need to agree to disagree, I think it does, preparation for a new season doesn't just start in June. By the time we get someone in the door its likely to be mid June. He will know fuck all about the squad he inherited so has limited time to assess the options before he may need to head into the transfer market and the season starts in July. Our only saving grace is Dundee and Kilmarnock are in the same position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellon Posted yesterday at 09:49 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 09:49 AM 1 hour ago, Kmcalpin said: Yes. Michael Wimmer will have identified the number and types of player required, and maybe even specific individuals. That was his domain. He will then have passed that information to Nick Daws and tasked him with researching that requirement and progressing it up to a point. This will have been going on a few months. In short, Nick Daws, and maybe others at the club, will have a good handle on what has been going on and on recruitment planning. I'd expect us to appoint a new manager in the next 3 weeks or so and before pre season and before the window opens. The new man will already have an idea of how we've played and our shortcomings i.e. defensive frailties, powder puff attack and injuries. He'll then have to apply his own preferences and check that against Nick Daw's advice on what has been done. No players can be signed until July although some may have signed PCAs. I very much doubt that any new manager will completely rip up what has already been planned for months, although he may adjust it. My last word on Michael Wimmer. He did seem a decent sort of guy. I'm unsure from the official press statement however, whether Regensburg asked permission to speak to him. It only says that he informed us, after the final game, last Sunday, that he would taking up the post in Germany. If the club did know about this before Sunday then you'd expect our recruitment process to have begun before yesterday. Nick Daws comes in gor a lot of abuse on here, I'm sure most people couldn't pick him out in the street or have an idea what he does. He doesn't sign the players, that's the managers, he has come up with a few good ones too including Slattery who might be the next one to make us money. Unless MW has tidied things up, a boss sooner than Later would be preferable. Is there a list of released players yet? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted yesterday at 09:50 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 09:50 AM 11 hours ago, FirParkCornerExile said: I couldn't give two fucks about him, he's an ex manager whose uproven whether he was any good in Scotland and has left us in the lurch. Harsh but just my view,, everyone has their own take on it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted yesterday at 10:17 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 10:17 AM 2 hours ago, Kmcalpin said: Michael Wimmer will have identified the number and types of player required, and maybe even specific individuals. That was his domain. He will then have passed that information to Nick Daws and tasked him with researching that requirement and progressing it up to a point. This will have been going on a few months. In short, Nick Daws, and maybe others at the club, will have a good handle on what has been going on and on recruitment planning. This is where I’ve got concerns. If, like some suggest, he’s been working his ticket for the past few weeks, with his end goal of leaving the club having already been decided in his head, then how much of his talk and action on squad preparation and recruitment for next season have just been him paying lip service? Was his heart in it? Etc etc. He’s not fully left us in the lurch per se. However, we now have to recruit a new manager and several new players, but who knows in what order that will now happen. With safety secured, it could still easily be argued that we’re now in a pretty weak place when it comes to getting things right for the next two seasons, at least. Dundee and Killie are probably in a similar place, but less so given different contexts. That said, this summer is going to be helluva exciting on the forums now. Almost Barmackesque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted yesterday at 10:28 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 10:28 AM 6 minutes ago, wellfan said: This is where I’ve got concerns. If, like some suggest, he’s been working his ticket for the past few weeks, with his end goal of leaving the club having already been decided in his head, then how much of his talk and action on squad preparation and recruitment for next season have just been him paying lip service? Was his heart in it? Etc etc. He’s not fully left us in the lurch per se. However, we now have to recruit a new manager and several new players, but who knows in what order that will now happen. With safety secured, it could still easily be argued that we’re now in a pretty weak place when it comes to getting things right for the next two seasons, at least. Dundee and Killie are probably in a similar place, but less so given different contexts. That said, this summer is going to be helluva exciting on the forums now. Almost Barmackesque. Agree with you re not being in the lurch . it now makes a bit more sense why several old the old guard have been retained - with another change of manager we have the likes of Halliday , sod , McGinn and also retained likes of sparrow , slattery and I’m hopeful seddon. hopefully we have a new gaffer in place soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Grew Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago On 5/23/2025 at 9:38 PM, Kmcalpin said: the squad doesn't need a complete overhaul. Sorry Kmcalpin but I have to disagree with you on that point. Our first team squad of 32 players is way too big and needs to be culled. We’ve got 10 players on loan so once they return to their parent clubs the squad size reduces to 22. Then I would offer up the following 9 players as dead wood that needs to be gotten rid of: O’Donnell, Seddon, Blaney, Zadrovski, Halliday, Callachan, Paton, Nicholson and Robinson so that reduces the squad size down to 13 which is obviously too small. I believe our first team squad size should be 18 and that we add quality and not quantity to get there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 9 minutes ago, El Grew said: Sorry Kmcalpin but I have to disagree with you on that point. Our first team squad of 32 players is way too big and needs to be culled. We’ve got 10 players on loan so once they return to their parent clubs the squad size reduces to 22. Then I would offer up the following 9 players as dead wood that needs to be gotten rid of: O’Donnell, Seddon, Blaney, Zadrovski, Halliday, Callachan, Paton, Nicholson and Robinson so that reduces the squad size down to 13 which is obviously too small. I believe our first team squad size should be 18 and that we add quality and not quantity to get there. In theory you need cover for every position and a bit of extra leeway so as a minimum a squad size of at least 22 should be the starting point. The main problem we have is whoever takes over from MW has not seen us play, formed their opinion of do we currently have the players to play whatever style of football they prefer etc so recruitment is difficult. That's why we need a new manager in ASAP, and I suspect it will be a rebuild over the summer and winter transfer windows to get anywhere near a settled team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: In theory you need cover for every position and a bit of extra leeway so as a minimum a squad size of at least 22 should be the starting point. The main problem we have is whoever takes over from MW has not seen us play, formed their opinion of do we currently have the players to play whatever style of football they prefer etc so recruitment is difficult. That's why we need a new manager in ASAP, and I suspect it will be a rebuild over the summer and winter transfer windows to get anywhere near a settled team. To negate the need for a huge squad, we should probably start to sign utility players who can cover multiple positions. Eg. Jordan McGhee. And then focus on signing quality over quantity, with a sprinkling of youth players as extra cover. You’re right that it’ll take (at least) two transfer windows to sort this squad out. Some updates from the club on the managerial and squad situations next week would be welcome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, El Grew said: Sorry Kmcalpin but I have to disagree with you on that point. Our first team squad of 32 players is way too big and needs to be culled. We’ve got 10 players on loan so once they return to their parent clubs the squad size reduces to 22. Then I would offer up the following 9 players as dead wood that needs to be gotten rid of: O’Donnell, Seddon, Blaney, Zadrovski, Halliday, Callachan, Paton, Nicholson and Robinson so that reduces the squad size down to 13 which is obviously too small. I believe our first team squad size should be 18 and that we add quality and not quantity to get there. We're not that far apart in reality. 100% the squad need serious pruning down to an overall size of 22/23 or thereabouts, with an emphasis on quality over quantity. Although we haven't heard officially yet, the likes of Callachan, Paton, Blaney, Zadrowski and maybe Seddon will be off most likely before the new man comes in, as contracts expire on 30 June I believe. Return of loanees to parent clubs will account for a fair proportion of the cull. Like it or not, we won't cut loose injured players like Robinson and Nicholson just yet although I agree long term. That then leaves O'Donnell and Halliday from your hit list. We do need some continuity and experience going forward, but the former's deal was signed quite some time ago. The new man will want to assess his squad first and will have time to do that before the window closes. It might well be that he wants to move on 1 or 2 players fairly quickly. One aspect I'm uncertain about though is progression young players. In theory I'm 100% behind this but they have to be good enough to make the step up and I simply don't know the youth squad well enough to form any opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Grew Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 16 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: We're not that far apart in reality. 100% the squad need serious pruning down to an overall size of 22/23 or thereabouts, with an emphasis on quality over quantity. Although we haven't heard officially yet, the likes of Callachan, Paton, Blaney, Zadrowski and maybe Seddon will be off most likely before the new man comes in, as contracts expire on 30 June I believe. Return of loanees to parent clubs will account for a fair proportion of the cull. Like it or not, we won't cut loose injured players like Robinson and Nicholson just yet although I agree long term. That then leaves O'Donnell and Halliday from your hit list. We do need some continuity and experience going forward, but the former's deal was signed quite some time ago. The new man will want to assess his squad first and will have time to do that before the window closes. It might well be that he wants to move on 1 or 2 players fairly quickly. One aspect I'm uncertain about though is progression young players. In theory I'm 100% behind this but they have to be good enough to make the step up and I simply don't know the youth squad well enough to form any opinion. Good debating this with you, and yes I don’t think we’re miles apart on where we’d like to be with our 1st team squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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