grumpy Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 10 hours ago, dennyc said: I found a report on training Compensation and the Solidarity Scheme. States that Uefa and individual Associations decided upon the amount it took to train a player on an annual basis and came up with a payment table. Then they took into account the level of each team and adjusted the fee based on that. I did not find anything about wages offered by either club as being a factor in the calculation. Not saying that was not added later but I cannot confirm. I tried to copy the calculation section and post it here but every time I tried it was blacked out. Not sure why. And I could not figure out a way to post it. I searched ' How is training compensation calculated by Uefa' in Google and then clicked on the top result ' E A Sports Law' . If interested, stick with it for a few paragraphs and you'll find the bit I am quoting from. For info, the Yanks were late in joining the scheme and initially placed their Clubs in the lowest possible grading (4).... as a way to minimise payments. Cadden was the first real test of their stance. In time they were forced to elevate the grading of the US teams to ensure fairness.. I think my memory is of internal transfers, eg, Ferguson from Accies to Aberdeen. As I said, I may be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, grumpy said: I think my memory is of internal transfers, eg, Ferguson from Accies to Aberdeen. As I said, I may be wrong. You could be right on the same country moves. Each country can apply their own thinking as not bound by International criteria as set out. Our lot are all very secretive about how they arrive at a figure and I believe Accies said they were warned not to reveal any details. All they could do was register how unhappy they were. Just shows the nonsense of not adopting the rules that apply cross border. That would be much more open and consistent. No wonder Clubs often work out a deal to avoid a Tribunal up here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 Got to think Mwell not getting required offer from Bologna or Udinese. Both sold players recently and are cash rich. Think we should be looking at other clubs as reported there is interest in France and Germany. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Grew Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 13 minutes ago, robsterwood said: Got to think Mwell not getting required offer from Bologna or Udinese. Both sold players recently and are cash rich. Think we should be looking at other clubs as reported there is interest in France and Germany. Worrying for him that there’s been no suitable concrete offer so far. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mccus28 Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 I honestly just wish it over now for him and the club. Its actually quite boring now 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 The endless stories based on guesses and empty speculation are certainly boring, but that's standard for transfer windows where the media needs to report on "breaking news" 24 x 7. In reality, there isn't really anything unusual happening - it just so happens it's one of our players involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFC-craig Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 Ndoye to Forest now complete at £35m. Hopefully we get some movement on Miller now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 22 minutes ago, MFC-craig said: Ndoye to Forest now complete at £35m. Hopefully we get some movement on Miller now. Yup hopefully they now focus efforts on young Lennon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, Mccus28 said: I honestly just wish it over now for him and the club. Its actually quite boring now Yup , we don't want him to go but sooner resolved and we get hopefully the money we are looking for then we can all move on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 Apparently declined €5m for Miller, holding out for €6m/£5m equivalent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 2 hours ago, Richie said: Apparently declined €5m for Miller, holding out for €6m/£5m equivalent. Let's hope we don't get too greedy, these big clubs will have no problem waiting till next summer and get to sign him for nothing if required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 3 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: Let's hope we don't get too greedy, these big clubs will have no problem waiting till next summer and get to sign him for nothing if required. Yup that is a good point. Totally different figures but I remember us turning down £750k for Mark Reynolds and we ended up selling him for £100k and a 6pk of wotsits! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 27 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Yup that is a good point. Totally different figures but I remember us turning down £750k for Mark Reynolds and we ended up selling him for £100k and a 6pk of wotsits! Was it not a 12 pack and a pack of space invaders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 35 minutes ago, robsterwood said: Was it not a 12 pack and a pack of space invaders? Feck.. so it was What am I like? 🤣🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 Reports saying Torino interested now in Miller. Hope bidding war can bump up price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 I am starting to get the feeling this is going to drag on and on Celtic will come in with a 4 million bid during the last few days of the window and that will be that. It's all well and dandy holding out for the right fee but it's pretty important we sell Lennon this window come January unless he has turned into prime Messi it's fire sale time or even leaving us on a free in the summer. If these clubs wanted him they would have stumped up the fee easy I am starting to think it's the add on's that might be the stumbling block here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 Clubs just don't "stump up". You see that at every level where they often go through multiple rounds of negotations with club and then player's management. We just don't notice it as much when it's not our player. Even when a bid hasn't been accepted yet, managers and agents will be in discussions with potential suitors so the personal terms will be ready to sign. Also don't forget, that most countries don't have the insanity of a league cup at the start of pre-season, and so conduct business a little bit later. And finally, of course, MIller gets the final say on where he goes, so even if we accept a bid from a club, it doesn't mean they will get him. Given his history of making good career choices so far, I'd be surprised if his next step isn't also ideal for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 I am shocked more Championship clubs haven't tested the water think he would do well in that league and a move to a Championship does well and we have sell ons it's like printing money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 11 minutes ago, Spit_It_Out said: I am shocked more Championship clubs haven't tested the water think he would do well in that league and a move to a Championship does well and we have sell ons it's like printing money. I think that Udinese, Torino, Como and whoever else can probably outbid Partick Thistle and St Johnstone. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 32 minutes ago, Spit_It_Out said: I am shocked more Championship clubs haven't tested the water think he would do well in that league and a move to a Championship does well and we have sell ons it's like printing money. Pretty obvious he wants to go abroad then 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 My preference for Lennon would be 1. Como 2. Bologna 3. Torino 4. Udinese Given that those are the 4 that are allegedly in for him, Im pretty comfortable that he will get a good move and we will get a decent price. I think Como is the best fit as he would be going to an upcoming team and under the stewardship of Fabregas, he would be learning from one of the best. Also, the views! Whats not to like? Bologna would also seem to be a good fit and they have certainly been good for Ferguson. They have European football to look forward to, so I would guess even if he wasnt a first pick there, he will get enough games thru squad rotation. Also the possibility a bigger club comes in for Ferguson creating space. Torino, not sure how they play but clearly a decent standard to finish mid table and having Adams on board, should help the settling in process. Udinese, Im not so keen on. Moreso due to their links with Watford and how mental they look with consrant churnover of managers and players. It might turn out ok, but Id be concerned he would be loaned out and might disappear. Every chance he may not go to any of the above, but wherever he ends up, I just hope it happens soon and we can all move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 I'd read somewhere that Dortmund and Eintracht Frankfurt were apparently interested. The profit that Dortmund seem to make on young British players, that would be an ideal destination from sell on percentage point of view and not a bad move for Miller... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 4 hours ago, Spit_It_Out said: I am starting to get the feeling this is going to drag on and on Celtic will come in with a 4 million bid during the last few days of the window and that will be that. It's all well and dandy holding out for the right fee but it's pretty important we sell Lennon this window come January unless he has turned into prime Messi it's fire sale time or even leaving us on a free in the summer. If these clubs wanted him they would have stumped up the fee easy I am starting to think it's the add on's that might be the stumbling block here. Celtic will probably offer multipack of space invaders, wotsits and some haribos. They offered that for mcgin prior to villa getting him. Press are desperate for ugly sisters to get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 2 hours ago, robsterwood said: Celtic will probably offer multipack of space invaders, wotsits and some haribos. They offered that for mcgin prior to villa getting him. Press are desperate for ugly sisters to get him. And Hibs got slated by some in our media for holding out for a decent price and laughing off a low Celtic offer. Pretty confident Miller will do the right thing for himself so good luck to him. But at the end of the day it is the fee and add-ons that matter most to MFC. As an aside, I was at ER last night and was very impressed by Midtyjlland. Play a similar style to how we are being asked to play.....with the odd long ball to wide players thrown in. Full backs certainly asked to cover a lot of ground. Lots of possession in midfield and defence. Their players looked comfortable on the ball with no signs of panic when pressed as playing out. Very patient. At times moved the ball very quickly. Guessing that is the way teams play in Denmark. Maybe JBA will unearth some oven ready CBs from his homeland.. Only failing was the lack of goals their domination on the ball produced. But they did score six in their previous League game so maybe Hibs got lucky. Just short of 20k turned up....of which 1000 away fans. If we can find or develop players to play that style then I'm on board. Spoke to a couple of their fans who said it took a good while for them to adapt to that style of play and they had a few horror shows on the way. Hibs actually did well without looking like winning. Certainly far better than they were at the start of last season. Strong midfield and in central defence. Cadden was Cadden. Good pushing forward, not so good defensively. early days but I was impressed by them. Cue Dundee win this weekend. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 Has Miller been training with us this week? Not really expecting him to play but we can only sit him out for so long if this drags on week after week, so I’d be tempted to start using him till something concrete happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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