Orinoco Posted Friday at 06:56 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 06:56 PM Turnbull could play the Just role. Wages would probably be an issue tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsterwood Posted Friday at 07:01 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 07:01 PM 1 hour ago, Toxteth O'Grady said: Scott Burns saying we are considering bringing Bailey Rice back on loan. Why develop a rival clubs player? Rather we got more proven talent out with spl pool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted Friday at 07:27 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 07:27 PM We may be running the risk of being seen as or data pointing towards us being a club that developes bigger clubs young players saving them the bother and getting nowt out of it at the end of the loan. Ending up with a lot of young loanees, learning their trade. With us having to change the team every year when they go back , in the long run doesn't really help us much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted Friday at 07:29 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 07:29 PM 43 minutes ago, yosemite sam said: If we are interested in bringing in another midfielder on loan. What about David Turnbull. He's getting a game for Cardiff, so seems unlikely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted yesterday at 05:01 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 05:01 AM The main criticism of Turnbull from people is mobility, which is what he'd need with how we are currently playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Neils40yarder Posted yesterday at 06:22 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 06:22 AM 1 hour ago, Richie said: The main criticism of Turnbull from people is mobility, which is what he'd need with how we are currently playing. If we're getting offered a player of Turnbulls quality, we're taking it regardless of our system...as said further up though, there is no way we are affording him currently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mio Posted yesterday at 06:41 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 06:41 AM Turnbull is a definite no go, I think he’ll be at Cardiff for another 2 years and see out his contract. Crazy money involved down there. as for Rice, even if he does come and does well, he’d need removed any time we played Rangers, I just think it screws up team dynamics when we get a loanee from SPFL teams. Not just for those weeks he’s not allowed to play but a week or so after it when he gets back in the team. If we could sign him permanently great, I’d take him then but is he the type to take a drop in pay To kick start his career? I’m not so sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted yesterday at 08:05 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 08:05 AM 14 hours ago, Toxteth O'Grady said: Scott Burns saying we are considering bringing Bailey Rice back on loan. Nothing against young Bailey but I would rather see us develop our own players and break them gently into first team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Neils40yarder Posted yesterday at 08:20 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 08:20 AM 1 hour ago, mio said: Turnbull is a definite no go, I think he’ll be at Cardiff for another 2 years and see out his contract. Crazy money involved down there. as for Rice, even if he does come and does well, he’d need removed any time we played Rangers, I just think it screws up team dynamics when we get a loanee from SPFL teams. Not just for those weeks he’s not allowed to play but a week or so after it when he gets back in the team. If we could sign him permanently great, I’d take him then but is he the type to take a drop in pay To kick start his career? I’m not so sure. I've heard that the Rice thing is unlikely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted yesterday at 08:25 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 08:25 AM Re Bailey Rice- if he was a youngster from England suspect we'll be pretty happy. Complimenting our squad with players better than we can afford works for us. The debate appears more around proximity to developing players from teams in the same league as ours. I can understand that agree with Mio's point re not being able to play against Rangers. We do need to bolster the midfiled options, if we have some young guns coming through then great, if not players I'm someone like Rice with similar potential to Miller can have positive outcomes for us both short and longer term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted yesterday at 09:17 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 09:17 AM 26 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Nothing against young Bailey but I would rather see us develop our own players and break them gently into first team. I think we would all prefer that. Except that currently we do not have one young player that is good enough to step up. And no-one of the quality that Rice showed before his move to Ibrox. Scottish internationalist alongside Miller. And Captain I think. Despite his lack of first team games he has performed well at Rangers. In hindsight maybe he should have stayed with us though. And like Miller waited a few years before cashing in, As soon as we saw Miller and Turnbull given a first team outing it was obvious they were a class above. Can you say that about any of the young players we have seen since? Youth development will continue in the background irrespective of whether we bring in loan players or not. The Miller fee will help in that respect but it will take time. Maybe the extra funding will enable us to poach quality from other Academies which should speed up the process and provide faster results. I hope so. The only down side with Rice would be him having to sit out any game against Rangers. He is out of contract in 2026 and if we got the opportunity to sign him outright…now or then… I think we would crazy to pass up on the opportunity. Of course some fans will never get over the fact he opted to move to Rangers and would be on his back from day one. Such is life in Scotland where even revealing their backing for either of the OF brings out the worst in fans of their parent club. We are no exception. Bottom line. Any signing that improves the side is a good signing. Loan or not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellon Posted yesterday at 09:57 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 09:57 AM 14 hours ago, robsterwood said: Why develop a rival clubs player? Rather we got more proven talent out with spl pool Ultimately You're always developing a player for another club, e g Lennon Miller or a player has seemingly nothing else to give a club, cooper/ Russell If the lad has something to offer, get him in...we can't afford to turn our nose up at anyone who might improve us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted yesterday at 10:03 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 10:03 AM 5 minutes ago, wellon said: Ultimately You're always developing a player for another club, e g Lennon Miller or a player has seemingly nothing else to give a club, cooper/ Russell If the lad has something to offer, get him in...we can't afford to turn our nose up at anyone who might improve us. Except we got a return on Miller - we won't on Rice unless there's an option to buy him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago Things could be worse look at what happened to the Hamilton Accies Academy We have these lads training with us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago Most folks were happy we signed Biereth on loan, knowing we'd never make money from when his parent club cashed in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 3 minutes ago, wellsince75 said: Most folks were happy we signed Biereth on loan, knowing we'd never make money from when his parent club cashed in. His parent club wasn’t a direct rival known as the rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 1 hour ago, dennyc said: Except that currently we do not have one young player that is good enough to step up. Right now yes. In time I expect to see Olly Whyte and Campbell Forrest get closer to the first team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 13 minutes ago, wellsince75 said: Most folks were happy we signed Biereth on loan, knowing we'd never make money from when his parent club cashed in. This is a different situation. It's a player who came through our ranks and who we could have made money from if he had stayed with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mio Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 5 minutes ago, wellfan said: His parent club wasn’t a direct rival known as the rangers. My main gripe is that the central midfield is so important in this new set up and he’s going to miss games, it’s disruptive. And has he really been good when he’s played for Rangers? The support I know havnt been that impressed? He did quite well in a European game and he started a cup game against a lower league side and he was hooked at half time? i’m not convinced with youngsters from rangers anyway, I think they are cursed with a “I’ve made it already” attitude. Lowry went out on loan and was rotten, the boy Devine wasn’t great. I just don’t think they get good habits at rangers. Similar to youngsters at Celtic. Maybe that’s why they have such an appalling record at bringing in youths Anyway, I doubt it’ll happen!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted 22 hours ago Report Share Posted 22 hours ago 1 hour ago, wellfan said: His parent club wasn’t a direct rival known as the rangers. Does it matter if it benefits us? Or does the fact it is one of the OF override everything? Because that is the way it reads on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 1 hour ago, dennyc said: Does it matter if it benefits us? Or does the fact it is one of the OF override everything? Because that is the way it reads on here. I'm not a fan of loans from any team in the same league unless we have a chance to sign them at the end of the deal. As much as anything it puts unnecessary pressure (and scrutiny) on the loanee, who is open to accusations of not trying (or worse, cheating) when a poor result for us would benefit their parent club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 1 hour ago, dennyc said: Does it matter if it benefits us? Or does the fact it is one of the OF override everything? Because that is the way it reads on here. Yes it matters, the ideal scenario is we take a player on loan develop and make him better, so we benefit and the parent club benefits as well, all win win so far. The problem is bringing in, a player from teams in your own league to develop and improve yes we benefit short term but if it has went to plan the player returns to the parent club a better player to one day turn up against us in the league or cup. Making the rival teams in your league stronger in whatever form that takes is never a good plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted 20 hours ago Report Share Posted 20 hours ago If we’re in for Bailey Rice, great, but only if it’s with the intention of signing him and not just loaning him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mio Posted 15 hours ago Report Share Posted 15 hours ago Did you see Bailey Rice at that Alloa goal? Pathetic…. if that’s an example of his work, no thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted 15 hours ago Report Share Posted 15 hours ago 8 hours ago, SteelmaninOZ said: Things could be worse look at what happened to the Hamilton Accies Academy We have these lads training with us We have taken on young lads from Hamilton's Academy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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